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Nov 26, 2014

2014 Champion Tier List - Solo Queue - Patch 4.20 Update

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SEASON 4 - PATCH 4.20 SOLO QUEUE TIER LIST
PRESEASON 5 UPDATE

This List has been updated, and new versions are available via this link

Preface Chatter
Hello ladies and gents! Welcome to the preseason, that chaotic transition period in which Riot turns our entire league of legends world upside down in the name of balance. Surprisingly, this year's changes actually seem relatively tame compared to the last few seasons, must be because of the visual update.

The biggest change this patch is obviously the changes to the jungle, but surprisingly a lot of the champions that were strong last patch are still strong this patch as well. Check out the list below!

If you're looking for a more meta based tier list based on popularity, check out the FOTM list!
Patch 4.20 Summary
Buffs: Azir, Evelynn, Sion
Nerfs: Amumu, Fiora, Gnar, Katarina, Kha'Zix, Lee Sin, Rammus, Sona, Warwick,
Tweaks: Heimerdinger, Soraka
Updates:
  • 11/27: 
    • Mid:
      • Akali mid moved to God Tier
      • Xerath mid moved up, Ahri moved down
      • Swain moved down: Morello rush over Athene's hurts him a ton
      • Added AP Malphite - Very strong level 6 burst, and great laning phase. However, majority of damage comes from ult, which can be dodged and has a high cooldown. Needs to carefully manage skills and make sure not to get poked down.
    • Jungle:
      • Fiddlesticks/Sion jungle moved up
      • Broad changes through the jungle placement...received some updated statistics
    • Support:
      • Nami and Zyra support moved up
    • Top:
      • Gangplank moved up, Yorick moved down
  • 11/28:
  • 11/29:
    • Vel'koz mid moved up
  • 12/4:
    • Soraka support moved up
    • Jungle:
      • Amumu moved up
      • Diana moved up
      • Dr. Mundo moved down to T3
      • Evelynn moved down
      • Fiora moved up
      • Gangplank moved to T2
      • Kha'zix moved down
      • Malzahar moved up
      • Master Yi moved down
      • Nunu moved up
      • Udyr moved up
      • Xin Zhao moved to T1
      • Yasuo moved to T4
Search for a champion:
The Tier List

God Tier [Highest Influence]:
Mid-Lane Gods: Akali, Katarina
Jungle Gods: WarwickPantheonFiddlesticks, Vi
AD Gods: Jinx, Corki, Graves
Top Lane Gods: FioraMalphite, Wukong
Support Gods: Sona, Janna

Tier 1 [Strong/Preferred Choices]:
Mid-Lane: Vel'Koz, Annie, Ahri, Orianna, Malzahar, Talon, Lux, Syndra, Zyra, Wukong, Xerath, Brand, Galio, Anivia, Morgana, Fizz, Swain, Heimerdinger
Jungle: SionWukong, Jarvan IV, Amumu, SejuaniVolibear, Xin Zhao, Master Yi
AD Carry: Draven, Sivir, Miss Fortune, LucianAshe, Caitlyn
Top LaneMaokai, Warwick, Irelia, Akali, Lulu, Jarvan IV, Tryndamere, Rumble, Swain,  Gnar, Singed, Teemo, Lissandra, Nasus, Jayce, Riven, Gangplank, Vladimir, Heimerdinger, Pantheon
Support: LeonaBlitzcrank, Braum, Vel'Koz, Nami, Zyra, Morgana

Tier 2 [Viable/Balanced Choices]:
Mid-Lane: Ziggs, Diana, Karthus, Lissandra, Pantheon, Lulu (AP), Viktor, Kayle, Karma, Zed, Sona, Mordekaiser, Twisted Fate, Fiora, Vladimir, Teemo, Jayce
Jungle: Nunu, Udyr, Maokai, Rammus, Nautilus, Shaco, Lee Sin, Kayle, Skarner,  Jax, Zac, Cho'Gath, Nocturne, Aatrox, Malphite, Diana, Nasus, Tryndamere, Olaf, Trundle, Gangplank, Zed
AD Carry: Tristana,  Kog'Maw, Vayne, Ezreal, Kalista, Varus,
Top Lane: Kennen, Darius, Volibear, Alistar, Rengar, Jax, Renekton, Dr. Mundo, Trundle, Aatrox, Udyr, Karma, Garen, Lee Sin, Kha'Zix, Shyvana, Kayle, Cho'gath, Olaf, Yorick, Xin Zhao, Viktor, Poppy, Quinn, Vi, Zed
Support: Thresh, Alistar, Annie, Soraka, Fiddlesticks, Lulu, Xerath, Karma, Brand, Taric,

Tier 3 [Needs Higher Skill/Knowledge Than Usual]:
Mid-Lane: Kassadin, Ryze, Zilean, Master Yi, Kennen, Gragas, Jarvan IV, Veigar, Leblanc, Nidalee (AP), Kha'Zix, Yasuo, Azir, Riven, Cho'Gath, Fiddlesticks, Malphite, Cassiopeia, Tristana, Kog'maw, Ezreal (AP), Elise
Jungle: Hecarim, Rengar, Kha'Zix, Fiora, Malzahar, Leona, Poppy, Dr. Mundo, Elise, Shyvana, Shen, Gragas, Riven, Darius, Evelynn, Fizz
AD Carry: Quinn, Twitch, Twisted Fate, Kennen
Top Lane: Shen, Gragas, Nidalee, Master Yi, Zac, Galio, Talon, Ryze, Kassadin, Rammus, Elise, Mordekaiser, Sion, Vayne, Yasuo, Nunu
Support: Nautilus, Lux, Gragas, Maokai, Volibear, Zilean, Nunu, Kayle, Teemo, Malphite, Anivia, Syndra, Veigar, Gangplank

Tier 4 [Low Benefits for Effort Used]:
Mid-Lane: Urgot, Soraka, Janna
Jungle: Yasuo, Garen, Blitzcrank
AD Carry: Urgot
Top Lane: Soraka, Urgot
Support: Nidalee, Orianna, Poppy, Elise, Galio, Shen, Yorick, Lissandra, Ashe, Leblanc

Instructions and Caveats:
  • Champions in BOLD I will talk about shortly
  • Champions UNDERLINED may be over/undervalued, but aren't/haven't played enough for me to make a better judgement.
  • Within each tier the champions are strongest from left to right, but within a tier each champion's strength is relatively close. This is especially true for Tiers 2 and 3 where these champions are ALL highly playable and player dependent on how strong they are in-game.
  • This tier list takes data from ALL players; however, since the majority of players fall in the first three tiers, the majority of data points will come from there.
  • Win Rates are important in analyzing each champion's strength, but are not the end-all criteria for any champion's position.
  • The creator of this list is diamond, so there may be some personal bias towards higher tier play on certain champions.

Champion Explanations

This week I've split up the junglers away from the other champions since the changes impact them the most.

Junglers:
  • Fiddlesticks [God Tier Jungle] - As a heavy sustain jungler, Fiddlesticks does very well in situations when he's not counterjungled as can continuously clear camps with ease. However, as his jungle path is somewhat predictable, junglers can take advantage of this and counterjungle all his small camps. With the new XP changes on camps, this could swing either way. However, his ultimate and CC abilities are still just as good as they were last patch.
  • Nunu [Tier 2 Jungle] - Nunu does very well in the new jungle, however, although he can make life painful for the enemy jungler, his late game still leaves much to be desired and makes little impact at the moment except for soaking a single CC and giving someone his bloodboil buff.
  • Pantheon [God Tier Jungle] -Pantheon's "sustain" in the jungle is absolutely insane right now, and the fact that he can sneak a dragon at literally any point in the game makes him exert an extraordinary amount of pressure on games.
  • Rammus [Tier 2 Jungle] - After some more testing and viewing the results from the past week, it appears he's actually significantly weaker in the jungler, mostly due to the jungle item changes combined with his nerf.
  • Sejuani [Tier 1 Jungle] - Sejuani may very well be a god tier jungler, but at the moment I think she's more deserving of Tier 1. Although her damage output isn't particularly high, I think that due to her underplayed value, many people still underestimate her damage and CC ability. In cases where they could flash Sejuani ult, many still try and sidestep it, and that simply just won't work.
  • Shaco [Tier 2 Jungle] - The new jungle changes are a bit favorable to Shaco, as objectives and counterjungling are more important now. However, he's still Shaco, and it takes a certain amount of finesse to play him and stay relevant throughout the game due to his weak teamfighting ability against AOE heavy comps.
  • Sion [Tier 1 Jungle] - Sion does fairly well in the new jungle, and his buffs have also given him some extra power. His level 6 gank is still very strong, especially when the enemy team is grouped in mid as they usually tend to do.
  • Volibear [Tier 1 Jungle] - After staying under the radar for a while, I think that Volibear is close to breaking out again with the new jungle. The only thing holding him back (especially at higher divisions) is the fact that morellonomicon is substantially better than Athene's now in gold value, so most mid laners will tend to build that. However, from what I've seen the majority of people still favor Athene's though, so he's fairly safe for now.
  • Warwick [God Tier Jungle] - Warwick is the new king of the jungle. The new items and jungle is extremely favorable to him, and he's seen his win rate soar from 55% to 60% in the past week alone.
Other Changes:
  • Ashe [Tier 1 ADC] - With nerfs on other AD carries, Ashe has cycled back around again and is currently very strong in comparison to the other AD carries. With the second highest base attack range in the game (without buffs), she does very well against many of the popular low range AD carries popular on the rift right now. This combined with the fact that her arrow gives her massive utility from a losing position lets her carry from a variety of scenarios.
  • Azir [Tier 3 Mid] - Despite continuously buffs to Azir, his skillcap is still very high. If you've mastered him he can be very good, but there are other champions with lower skillcaps that are just as rewarding.
  • Fiora [God Tier Top] - Despite being nerfed, Fiora's actually still very very strong and utilizes essentially the same strategies as before.
  • Graves [God Tier ADC] - With nerfs on Lucian, Graves is really stepping back out as a high powered burst ADC.
  • Jinx [God Tier ADC] - Jinx with standard runes does very well, but if you're following the guides that use attack speed runes instead, she's definitely still very very overpowered, especially in solo queue. Her laning power is much stronger the faster she can get up her Q stack, and pressures extremely hard. She can also snowball out of a losing lane once she hits 6, and has decent self-peel and re-engage.
  • Kalista [Tier 2 ADC] - Kalista's a very high skillcap champion, but the fact that her ultimate can deny death is potentially game-breaking. I think she works well with champions like Alistar and Braum, but the two of them tend to be somewhat higher skillcap champions now as well post-nerfs.
  • Lucian [Tier 1 ADC] - Lucian is probably closer to balanced, but looking again at the listing it seems that he should be a bit higher. AD carries don't impact games as much simply because there's one in every game, but when you don't have one, it's definitely very noticeable.
  • Malphite [God Tier Top] - Malphite, the new rock in god tier top. He's been essentially untouched for a very long time, and with assassins like Zed back in mid/AP tops like Ryze nerfed to oblivion, Malphite's back in the scene as a huge contender. Although his ult is dodgable, at most tiers  it's fairly difficult to execute. His ult synergizes well with pretty much every champion in the game, and his laning phase is extraordinarily simple to stay alive and win through sustain.
  • Sona [God Tier Support] - Even after the nerfs from last patch, Sona still remains very strong, and her current sustain and ultimate utility are simply through the roof compared to similar supports like Nami.
  • Sona [Tier 2 Mid] - Sona Mid took a bit of a beating from the patch, but still remains viable.
  • Talon [Tier 1 Mid] - A few weeks after removing his silence, it's becoming more and more apparent that Talon, like many other assassins with no silence, does not suffer greatly from *only* being able to one shot his enemy laners, and will let them say what they please.
  • Twisted Fate [Tier 2 Mid] - Ever since they increased the timer on his pick a card, he's been slowly drifting farther and farther down. Although we'll all remember the horrors of being killed at level 6 bot lane by a TF ult, it's this fear that really keeps TF from snowballing. 
  • Vel'Koz [Tier 1 Support] - Vel'koz's base stats are simply through the roof right now and executes exceedingly well with his long ranged poke. 
Disclaimer:
  • The purpose of this list is for discussion and to provide a starting point for hero selection.
Agree? Disagree? Comment below!




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1,097 comments:

  1. right now ww's lategame is click R for kill who you want

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  2. can someone tell me the new jinx's overpowered rune page?

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  3. I feel like we'll be seeing the jungle tiers change a lot within the next few weeks. Right now Warwick is miles ahead of everyone else and I feel like Amumu and Rammus are going to fall a bit as both have a difficult time clearing the jungle when compared to sustain junglers.

    Everyone knows about WW, Nunu and Fiddle, but I feel like some of the best kept secrets in the new jungle are Xin Zhao, Trundle and even Olaf.

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  4. hmm xin zhao is pretty damn good, olaf can be good, not sure about trundle.


    But guys, BTW, Master YI can carry hard in the Jungle. Devourer; nuff said... crazy shit when you get fed on master yi and you get resets from kills guys... He is a machine...

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  5. Slight spelling error admin in your description of panth jungle, just so you know:

    makes him exert an* extraordinary amount of pressure on games.

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  6. No please...dont make people play more Jinx...please....she's MY waifu...please have mercy! I DONT WANT HER TO GET DELETED BY NERFS LIKE THEY DID WITH MY TRISTANA!

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  7. You dont understand! I came back to LoL ONLY for jinx! DONT TAKE HER AWAY FROM ME!

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  8. SSJSuntasticNovember 26, 2014

    Thanks, fixed

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  9. Trundle can sustain hard with his Domain and clear the jungle quickly, leading to ganks before the opposing jungler can effectively countergank. I think a lot of people (at least at my Plat ELO) forgot about Olaf and Xin Zhao after their nerfs but they really are formidable in the new jungle with the new items. And yeah, expect to see way more Yi's as I think a lot of people are figuring he's just a few steps below WW this preseason. The name of the game is high sustain or very fast clearing, tankier junglers with slow clearing and lower sustain are having trouble in the jungle early game and falling behind.

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  10. Burt not ernieNovember 26, 2014

    Gnar got deleted from god tier so quickly. Wow, he was there for only one patch xD
    I cant get why maokai is god tier tho, his input really depends on team comp :/

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  11. Play quin everyone is underestimating her and thus i have 80% win ratio with her

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  12. SSJSuntasticNovember 26, 2014

    He was nerfed pretty hard

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  13. Yes, InDeeD. True...

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  14. Kangaroo CuberNovember 26, 2014

    I swear you can't even get hunters machete on rammus now

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  15. BoltOfSpadesNovember 26, 2014

    Aaaand disappointment.

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  16. ...She...she's just not Jinx, man. No one is like Jinx, the only ADCs that can come close are Draven and MF for me.

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  17. You remplace conventional Quin AD Flat by Attack Speed

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  18. Care to share your thoughts on Skarner for the preseason currently? Going to get into playing him since he seems solid for now (based off of games I have played so far as him) but I looked at Lolking and a 45% Win Rate shocks me, especially with such a low pick rate as well.

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  19. People still buy Athene's over Morello' because Chalice is bugged and currently providing 5 times the intended mana regen from mana font.

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  20. Explanation for yi? He seems like a complete monster to me. The true damage per auto smite + magic damage per auto seemed like a huge buff.

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  21. Exevier EtcheverryNovember 26, 2014

    About Junglers in general... I would rethink about some champions, can they really go to the jungle? What impact have the new smites for unconventional junglers?

    For example, Leona JG, she can really jungling? I think not, however, if she is on the list there are champions who play the role better than her (Morgana, Zyra, for example). There are certain champions who should be removed from the list.

    The jungle hits very hard, champs like Jarvan hurts them too much. Ok, but Jarvan is a ganker. Despite this his ganks take longer and if not, sacrifice one of the two buff. Same for Wukong.

    Other unconventional junglers are a little stronger, for example Fiora, thinking a little can go find the enemy jungler... And if someone is weak like Jarvan, Kha, Nunu, etc... She will kill him. She clean very fast and with a correct route using smite in red, she can stay very well.

    I think Diana jungle is veeeery op. She doesn't lose health in jungle, clean pretty fast, she has a good 1vs1 against other junglers, well and devourer enchant is very op. I try Diana AP, but Diana with this enchant, Botrk/Wit's End, Trinity/Iceborn and then build tank...

    Sorry if I created a very long comment, but there are many changes in this patch that I think have not been analyzed.



    For example, Kayle mid with first Drake increases a lot her damage and new elixir... 25 of true damage to turrets without CD?

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  22. Look into Shaco top lane. With the new jungle he can take the closest top lane camp and hit level 2, sometimes without missing a single minion. His harass with E and a flask is enough to poke them out of lane or kill them with exhaust and ignite, since flash isn't even needed.

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  23. i posted this once but since it was late i dont think anyone saw it on the jungle post


    but warriors jungle item upgrade stacks with brutalizer
    you get so much armor pen and cdr
    people should look into that


    league of cleavers all over again

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  24. Luís Paulo da SilvaNovember 26, 2014

    This one was pretty quick, with the amount of changes that happened I thought the tierlist would come only right before the 4.21. Nice Job :D

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  25. Luís Paulo da SilvaNovember 26, 2014

    I'm hopping that riot nerf real hard Katarina, she's my main since Season 1, and she was always understimated, breaks my heart seen so many people picking her :((

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  26. time to go on dota 2 bro :(

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  27. Yes, of course it does, nothing OP there though. Warrior Jungler item Enchancement. I remember the cleaver times though, when TBC came.

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  28. Your comment about Devourer and Skirmisher's Sabre is true, it's crazy for YI, WW, GODYR

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  29. O'Neil ShandNovember 26, 2014

    Not sure If I quite understand the Galio mid thing. Can we get an explanation?

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  30. i already saw this with wukong,new jungle items are really good if snowballing cause they provide better combactive stats than the older

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  31. Actually Smite...but...but I got really good here again....and...and JINX IS TOO DAMN FUN! RITO PLS!

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  32. Yep :-) like I said, he is crazy. Smite to enemy champion, then you deal true dmg, also magic dmg from Devourer.

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  33. sure it can work but the strenght of shaco are is op roamings and ganks,unless you grab teleport you won't roam all that much,also he provides nothing to a teamfight and he's only a splitpushing force and a top laner in this meta is supposed to scale into late game or at least bring good utility and shaco got no late game and no utility.
    Also in lane you can poke your opponents once,twice even three times but after that the trick won't work anymore and a shaco who doesn't win lane is like a shaco who counterjungled and died....useless in anyway

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  34. Xin Zhao, Master Yi, Lee Sin, Udyr, Nasus and Rengar deserves way higher (even Olaf). They are doing particularly good in the new sustain junglers meta :)

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  35. yi is strong i won't lie but he got a downside,he's so damn scary that enemy team will pratically use every cc on him everytime they see him and realize that cc's base damages are enough for kill him.
    there are time when i got very fed as yi but lose game cause they're wukong jungle even if 5/8 could carry teamfight by simple ulting,master yi brings nothing more than raw damage but he he cannot kill the adc in one auto he's dead and every wombo combo screw him pretty bad,tier 2 is fine for me but maybe he can climb to mid/low tier 1 with the new jungle,we will see

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  36. skarner is very strong and for a tank the utility and the damage he brings are crazy,the real problem are people who play him,they see a spammable spell and think skarner is really op and go try hard without realizing skarner's early game is pretty bad

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  37. aoe 20% damage reduction is op no matter your team comp

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  38. Oh yes, good job man!! This is true. Not sure about Nasus though in the jungle, he is fcking great in TOP. Or was, in patch 4.19. but yeah... maybe jungling good too.


    ALL those others are nice =) junglers

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  39. -xin zhao is good but pantheon actually can do whatever xin zhao do but better,his ganks are scarier and his sustain is pretty good.
    -Master yi is strong but everyone is so scared of master yi that throw every skillshot and kill him no matter how feed he is,also his teamfighting potential compared to wukong or amumu is pretty low unless you're too fedyou cankill they're tank with one hit
    -lee sin is ok but is too hard for really carry a game
    -nasus i don't know,he can work
    -rengar actually is a very high risk pick,if you get fed you will oneshot everyone but if you fed is 4v5
    -olaf is ok but his ganks are lackluster

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  40. Damn, you really understand it! That's true NotEng. but still, he is crazy. If enemy has only soft CC and they dont understand the power of YI; you activate ult and r4pe them.

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  41. if you get a nice pull at gromp/little golems you can still jungle like you used to do,just pick ranger and the sustain you'll get is nice

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  42. nobody said something about kayle jungler :(
    right now she's pretty viable in jungle,i played her in jungle thinking she is weaker but i was wrong,i could actually outduel fed vayne in late game with just devourer-wit's end-botrk+ult

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  43. if enemy got soft cc they should surrender at 20 XD but this is very unlikely,the meta-favoured team comps got at least a strong cc or they can do so much aoe damage that master yi will just *puf*

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  44. rito got this

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  45. Imo Fiora should honestly be higher, she just became a lane monster even more although losing some teamfight presence

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  46. Exevier EtcheverryNovember 26, 2014

    And nobody says something about Elise. With Skirmisher's deal true damage per hit... (And the little spiders too). Sustain is very precious.

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  47. fiora is currently the best in top lane in this tier list, how can she possibly be higher?

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  48. Yeah man. But with YI you stau back in tf :-) and then when enemy is low and your tanks have gone in and soaked, THEN you go Q;huge dmg and with ultimate SWOOSH SWOOSH SWOOSH. *resets*resets* TRIPLE, QUADDRA KIEALHH!!! =D

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  49. elise is really difficult and having spiders deal true damage doesn't really make her easier,simply more viable

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  50. she and warwick deserve their own tier atm because high disparity

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  51. if the enemy team got a wukong or an amumu is higly unlikely your team alone will make them enough low for you to enter

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  52. why is ahri not placed as an adc? shes viable imo

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  53. Exevier EtcheverryNovember 26, 2014

    If Ahri ADC is added to the list, Sona adc, Malz adc, Kayle adc, Thresh adc, Lulu adc, Gnar adc, Gangplank adc, Jayce adc and Ziggs adc should be in the list first than Ahri.

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  54. She is still crazy. i thought it would effect her a lot, the nerf, but it's not that big. still crazy ult

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  55. Wild main katarina detected....;

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  56. Faisol UbaidillahNovember 26, 2014

    Dragon Slayer Pantheon LVL 1 Solo Dragon.

    http://youtu.be/YKci0NM8v4I

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  57. where do you find win rates now that lolking doesn't work?

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  58. super god tier

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  59. Why isn't Irelia god tier? I mean she has everything to fit in the meta, she isn't that hard to play (the only thing you need to learn is the cs-ing with Q) and she doesn't have any nightmare match-ups. What do you guys think?

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  60. PhoenixOrderNovember 26, 2014

    Seems like trundle is a little low on the list.
    With Frost Smite and Devourer's, his ganks are insane as well as his damage with just his jungle item. If he takes Skirmisher's, he can out-duel anyone in the game (even Warwick really if trundle has his ult).

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  61. KingoftheSocksNovember 26, 2014

    Happy to see Vi in god tier. Looks like my calls were not unheeded.

    Overall you actually nailed most of the placements. Rengar I still feel is very powerful due to his ability to farm and gank very effectively.

    Also hpw is fiora's tweak a nerf. They just made her a more insane duellist. She's now like pre nerf jax only more ridiculous and banned less

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  62. Fiora ult was changed so single target damage wasn't changed but the aoe damage was.

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  63. To clarify about the Fiora nerf, it was indeed a nerf because they've nerfed her overall AoE damage, however the single target damage has not been changed thanks to the higher damage% per target to compensate. Unless you call dealing 1 extra physical damage (1001 Fiora ult base dmg ATM, previously 1000) a buff.

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  64. Wukong is definitely not God tier jungle.

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  65. To a lesser extent, I forgot about Trundle. But you should really trye Nasus, you won't be disappointed ;)

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  66. League of Graphs

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  67. I agree, she has literally everything that a toplaner needs atm.

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  68. It did the same last patch but with SotEL instead.

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  69. Taher AnkleshwariaNovember 26, 2014

    What attack speed do you need to solo dragon with Q and W and lvl 2??
    I've seen a video on it but it didn't specify the AS.
    Thx

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  70. whoa that was something

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  71. Immortality tier

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  72. I personally agrere with where she is now, since she's a potato early game.

    Bad MU's for her off the top of my head are Renekton, Pantheon and Darius.

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  73. BoltOfSpadesNovember 26, 2014

    ...I'm not even gonna bother with the sarcasm this time.

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  74. aww dang. 1 whooollllee more damage!!

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  75. Patryk PyzelNovember 26, 2014

    I think Nidalee is the best in the mid, if you can play her. Spear + jump = 1 shot. Every 4 sec...

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  76. Matias Ignacio Araneda ArayaNovember 26, 2014

    I dont know i just feel like irelia have 0 counterplay, IMO she is almost broken.

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  77. I really think Zed should be tier 1. While he obviously has a hugh skill cap, I believe you're blowing it out of proportion. Orianna, IMO, is actually harfer to learn/master and her winrate is BARELY above Zed's, yet she is one of the highest tier 1 champs. Yes, you may not do well with Zed your first couple of games, but if you practice a bit in normals, Zed is one of the safest assassins due to his early safe laning phase along with riduculous escape. I'm not even saying high Tier 1, but somewhere there for sure.

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  78. Nicolas CageNovember 26, 2014

    After the BotRK nerfs ages ago, he's had a hard time doing his job. Either you go BotRK first and lack the damage output necessary to do well early game, or you go Ravenous Hydra and lack any sort of sticking power outside of your E.


    I mean, a fed Zed is absolutely horrifying and can completely take over a game. His snowball potential is insane. It's just that he isn't really too different than Talon in terms of what he's capable of doing, and takes quite a bit more skill to play effectively. There just isn't as strong of an incentive to play Zed at the moment, when Talon exists.


    I think he's at the absolute top-end of Tier 2 for mid, and towards the middle of Tier 3 for top and jungle, since you have to be fairly knowledgeable of the champion to pull off those roles with him, though he is still viable in those capacities.

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  79. Yeah his level 1-3 is just bad due to the new jungle, can't even gank after a clear (which is a problem with a lot of junglers)

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  80. Nicolas CageNovember 26, 2014

    SSJ has a guide on it on this site. Click the "Home" button on the page and it shouldn't be too hard to get there.


    He gets attack speed Quints and Blues, and AD reds.

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  81. Nicolas CageNovember 26, 2014

    She got nerfed, not tweaked. Her single target damage is equal to before, and now she just does much less AOE damage.

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  82. Zed is much, much stronger in lane than Talon. If you build Britalizer before finishing Cutlass into BotRK, there really is no falloff in early game damage output. Yes, there are better choices, but my point is that champions that shouldn't be tier 1 in mid, are, while Zed is lower. Either move them down or move Zed up.

    Also, I completly agree with Zed tier 3 top, and maybe even tier 4 jungle.

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  83. Do you archive old tier lists? Would be nice to compare.

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  84. well , cassiopeia in tier 4 really makes me weird. I am a main cass player currently diamond 4 and i really use her to carry more than 100 games and i think she is a good champion.She is really fun and strong if u mastered her and she has a good ultimate cc with great damage.
    Try to farm passive in the early game and poke the enemies with qeeeeee combo .6 times of twin fangs can be cast for each noxious blast without putting twin fang on full cd.Be aggresive with this in lane even when a trade goews poorly. Getting stacks of passive quickly is paramount.
    Also,using ur ult followed by w q and eeeeee can really turn most 1v1 fights and mid game turret dives in ur favor.ur ult also allows u to be a very strong anti ganker.Just simply casting it when ur lane opponent and the enemy ganker are in range, then burstin down the weaker on with ur combo can turn the 2v1into a 1v1.but, this tactic is only effective when ur r can stun both targets.So u really need alot of practises.In teamfight , just position in a perfect spot that can stun most of the enemy and qw their carries and spam eeeeee to instant kill their carry .


    -1.farm passive
    -2.farm passive
    -3.ask other lanes dont feed
    -4.farm passive
    -5.ask jungler to gank ur lane
    -6.teamfight - stun most of the opp
    -7.let ur adc clean up the battlefield


    but remember that cass is really really sooooooo weak in the early game . so try to wards up the bushes and always bring one pink(this shld be learnt in bronze game i guess) and often sign missin of ur opponent so he wont get any kills.
    u can always poke the opponant hard and ask jungler for ganks after 6 because its really easy to succed the gank with cass ult.
    Finally,if u want to play cassiopeia, please remember , please , ban leblanc , talon and fizz cuz they really dodge all ur spell and do alot of damage in the combat and u cant even touch their ass.Ask ur team to choose more cc like jarvan and leona and take the aggresive adc such as graves.


    Jarvan can even go into tier 3 mid , WHY CASSIOPEIA STILL STAYS AT TIER 4 THIS IS NOT FAIR I LIKE CASS ALOT PLEASE AT LEAST LET CASSEIOPEIA GO TO TIER 3!!!!

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  85. Nicolas CageNovember 26, 2014

    I quite dislike Brutalizer first on Zed; he gets far more damage with an early Tiamat (except for top-lane against tankier champions). I no longer get BotRK on Zed, even.


    Talon's laning is better than Zed's. Talon has much more damage pre-6, and is capable of just jumping on most mid-laners and forcing them out of lane. Zed requires quite a few skillshots to be hit, to maintain a strong pre-6 lane presence. Post-6, their burst is very similar.


    I think Zed has more snowball potential than Talon, at the moment, but actually getting fed is a bit harder on Zed than on Talon.


    When it comes to Zed jungle, he has a real rough time with his first clear. Ranger's Trailblazer and a ton of health potions on your first back make a huge difference, as you can start farming the jungle very quickly, and get the Warrior enchantment pretty quick into the game. Once you have that, you're a monster, as it gives a pretty excellent combination of stats for Zed. I think you have to play exceedingly conservatively with Zed jungle, especially when learning it, but I think that there is a lot of potential to do well with the champion once you're ahead with him.

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  86. Matias Ignacio Araneda ArayaNovember 26, 2014

    I feel like ez with manamune + iceborn and then going for arm penetration is just to broken, his q does almost the same damage as jayce q+e. (sorry for bad englando)

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  87. If Talon makes even one wrong move, he will be forced out due to how much mana his combo costs. Meanwhike, if Zed misses a double shruiken, he simply waits for a few seconds. Talon is also MUCH more vulnerable to ganks, and while Zed might rely on skillshots, they are very forgiving. I've played Zed extensively, and I find cutlass-brutalizer-BotRK to be the most optimal.

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  88. ^that would be great

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  89. SSJSuntasticNovember 27, 2014

    Haha, you do make a good argument for Cassiopeia being Tier 3. With enough skill she does do fairly well, although there are a lot of better choices for her difficulty level at the moment. I'll move her up :P

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  90. Let's see what other Stashu does to poor snake lady. I mean, she can't be any worse thsn after the initial gutting, right? RIGHT?

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  91. She scales so riduclously well into late game taht it doesn't matter. All 3 champs you mentioned are lane bullies, so it shouldn't be a surprise that they beat Irelia in lane. However, once she hits mid game with triforce and some tankiness, she is a complete monster while Pantheon, Darius, and Renekton try to build tanky to keep up as they scale down. God tier IMO

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  92. Please stop.

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  93. Thanks !! FINALLY CASS IS NOT CATEGORIED WITH BANANA MASTER

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  94. I thought Amumu's Despair was a tweak not really a nerf?

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  95. Holy fuck what happened to urgot and kennen? Urgot is Op now? My mind is blown away after seeing those win rates O.O

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  96. good idea :) i want to go back to the twisted fate/kassadin days and see how the game was and how it is now

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  97. Why is Tristana so low?

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  98. It's a nerf to his early game, since most people used to max E and still do tons of dmg. Now his dmg mid-lategame is even higher than it was before, so you just need to wait a bit more to be melting everyone.

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  99. Nicolas CageNovember 27, 2014

    Talon is mana-intensive, but considering the massive damage offered by his Rake, I wouldn't really consider his mana costs a huge problem. Except for outside of mid-lane.


    Talon is definitely more vulnerable to ganks, especially early-game ones when he can only have so much ward coverage, and he doesn't have access to his ult. New jungle doesn't favor early ganking at all, so I would consider that weakness relatively unimportant, assuming you buy a ward or two on your first back.


    When it comes to building Zed, whatever floats your boat, I suppose. I would highly recommend that you try rushing Ravenous Hydra, and see how that works for you. I'll go ahead and reconsider the more traditional build path.

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  100. Add Taric Jungle please, it's suprisingly good. Can sustain himself through the entire jungle, never having to back and having pretty good ganks.

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  101. urgot god tier

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  102. i still remember rammus tier 2 and kayle god tier both mid and top

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  103. 15% is enough

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  104. remember now he can snowball even harder with the enchantment warrior because of the much higher stats than sotel and can carry teamfights even when behind
    level 1-3 is not really a problem you just recall level 3 if you get a decent pull(people still leave you fighting a 500 hp camp .-.) and take ranger(or stalker if you want more presence)and jungling is almost the same

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  105. the single target damage is the same and the aoe is lower

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  106. if rengar get ahead with the new warrior enchantment he really get ahead but feeding with rengar is like going 4v5

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  107. jayce,malzahar,kayle,tresh,lulu and gnar adc are things

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  108. i will try it :)

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  109. her laning now is too weak and her q gives less atk spd than old tristana without q

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  110. imho rammus should be a bit lower,his clearspeed is one of the slower and hard to sustain and his late game despite popular belief is weak unless enemy team is heavy auto-reliant(no more popular since tristana's nerf)

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  111. wheres eve jungle or veigar mid?

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  112. Thomas WenzlNovember 27, 2014

    think you should put a little love in Diana and Udyr jungle. I totally own people with both of them

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  113. Personally, I think Talon beats zed in almost any aspect, except maybe Zed is quite more safe during lane phase, also, Zed almost always farms a lot more than Talon earlygame

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  114. I Agree with alpharite, even a good Irelia can outplay Darius and Pantheon, and a really good Irelia can beat Renek too, just don't die pre 7

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  115. Shhhh, Diana jg is garbage, nothing to see here

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  116. You own in bronze obviously

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  117. Why? Because they are rare picks? If u master a champion u can dominate anyone even if the mastered champion is Urgot.

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  118. Stefan AlvisNovember 27, 2014

    Does Tier 3 [Needs Higher Skill/Knowledge Than Usual]: mean that you need a high skill cap to do anything or that you need a high skill cap to beat the tier 2 and tier 1 champs?

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  119. DDDDDDDDDDDDDD: https://www.change.org/p/riot-games-disable-warwick-in-patch-4-20?just_created=true

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  120. MysterysoundNovember 27, 2014

    TOTALLY agree with Diana , i just love go to the jungle with her , also i build tank/AS/Magic Pen every game and its works VERY WELL..u guys have to try her out and see :)

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  121. MysterysoundNovember 27, 2014

    it was a bug , look at win rates now..

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  122. MysterysoundNovember 27, 2014

    WW , Panth and fiddle THE NEW KINGS

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  123. Usually the second one, most tier 3 champs are quite capable of out-performing the higher tiered ones if played correctly. For example, Rengar and Kassadin.

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  124. The thing is, I'm not just talking about Talon. Yes, Talon should definetly be higher, but the fact remains that champs like Morgana and Galio have no busniess being in tier 1 mid when Zed is not.

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  125. Rammus, Amumu, and Wukong should NOT be god tier junglers anymore. Additionally, Kha'Zix Jungle should be moved to tier 2.

    IMO god tier junglers now are:
    Warwick, Pantheon, Fiddlesticks, Jarvan IV

    And maybe Vi.

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  126. Nerfbat incoming for warwick. Possible buff to dragon attack speed to prevent Panth's easy dragoning (a nerf to panth seems less fair than buffing the dragon to me).
    I like how they "nerfed" warwick by increasing his early ult cool down but basically gave him a buffed feral flare and extra true damage on his ult with the skirmishers smite

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  127. Amumu still OP IMO

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  128. It seems like he hasn't really moved some of the other jungles simply because they're not being played (because Warwick is fucking broken). Like he has Olaf tier 2 jungle, but I find Olaf jungle really sucks in the new jungle and there's no reason to play him outside top lane. He also has blitzcrank as tier 4 jungle and I don't think it's even possible to jungle with him anymore

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  129. Those are bad matchups, but she can throw the lane against those guys and still end up being more worthwhile in teamfights since they fall off so damn hard later in the game (especially Renekton).

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  130. If you can stick around during a teamfight and force the other team to waste all their CC trying to stop you while your carries put a huge dent in them, you've already done your job. I think Yi being focused so hard in teamfights is actually a good thing if you don't get instantly killed.

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  131. WWI or WWII?

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  132. Akali 54% win rate. Why so high?

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  133. Because she's so faceroll. You can feed in lane, but as soon as you get Gunblade + level 6, you just roam bot for an easy double by mashing QREWQREQRE.

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  134. thunderman1165November 27, 2014

    Lucian is still one of most picked champs....this is ridiculous.

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  135. SquirrelNutkinsNovember 27, 2014

    Happy Thanksgiving you League of Legends geeks.

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  136. Is aatrox jungle any good? And who is best with the devourer enchantment? I really like on hit champions

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  137. This start is sadly unrealistic and impossible to keep in mind for level one, (2 daggers). Unsure if you can make up for it in runes and still be efficient.

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  138. Armored BearNovember 27, 2014

    What is this I see about attack speed Jinx runes???

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  139. Joel AndrewsNovember 27, 2014

    yea its very strong if used in the right hands. he is most def my go to jungler aside from elise and Vi. his sustain is really strong, usually dont need pots unless youre planning on being extra cautious. knock up and slow, and can push towers fast. his downside is if someone with a strong early game duels him. aside from that hes pretty powerful (prob hes my fav champ QQ)

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  140. Best Devourer champs are WW, Yi, and Godyr. Just a heads up, Devourer is being nerfed next patch (check pbe for details).

    Aatrox is also quite good right now, Devourer is the best option for him as well.

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  141. So explain why Elise is tier 3 for all lanes except support???????/

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  142. There is nothing ridiculous. He is percectly balanced now, and his win rate is decent at best.

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  143. Because she's absolute garbage. 43% win rate:

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  144. Diana and Udyr aren't even that bad, if you can't see that I think you're more bronze than he is.

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  145. Nah he's still broke.

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  146. Or you're just bad.

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  147. xD lol define why she is garbage wasn't she one of the best junglers before her nerfs,I started playing this year so I dont know about her circa 2012-2013.

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  148. there's a petition for femove ww from the game XD
    ww too broken actually he got almost no counterplay(no one buy qss and no one save their teammate with cc and 1v1 is overkill)

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  149. Key word there being "before the nerfs". Riot nerfed her to the ground, and the new jungle isn't that favorable to her.

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  150. He's being reworked.

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  151. Thanks! How much will the devourer nerf be? It decreases base from 40-25. I think they'll still be strong! And for aatrox do you suggest Rangers or skirmishes or another one.

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  152. Awesome thanks! What jungle item do you go? I'm gonna pick aatrox jungle up

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  153. Armedbullster159November 27, 2014

    i'm sure you know absolutely anything about elise. firstly she wasn't nerfed to the ground, the last nerf that they made to her just made her cocoon width shorter and her repel range shortened. The reason why she got "nerfed" was because ancient golem was reworked and it was such a terrible item that it forced ppl to go spirit of the spectral wraith which made her insanely squishy. Secondly win rate means absolutely nothing about how good or bad the champion is, Elise has a 43% because she has a high skillcap and noobs that have no idea how to play her but think they are god with her play her and fail miserably therefor making her wr extremely low. I'm an elise main and i can assure you that she has gotten better with this jungle. I have no idea from where you got that the new jungle isn't favourable to her. She has insane sustain and she's one of the few junglers who can actually gank at lvl 3 after her second buff and with high health and possibly securing first blood or burning a flash. Also juggernaut which gives health,tenacity and CDR is basically the old ancient golem before it got reworked so elise is actually back and she's super strong. Pls dont comment bullshit if you have no idea what ur talking abt......

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  154. Armedbullster159November 27, 2014

    this tier list is for bronze-gold. Elise has an insane skillcap and ppl in bronze-gold have no idea how to play her, therefor making elise quite bad in lower elos

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  155. His 1-3 is a huge problem since he has no sustain (Hunter's Machete isn't enough). You can barely finish your first buff unless you get a really good leash, but most people don't want to sacrifice XP and CS or mana for that and you can't blame them.

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  156. I'm in Bronze and I picked up Elise just the other day and have a 4-1 win rate with her so far. But I understand why she's difficult for some.

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  157. Yes, because the 90th most popular champ in the game is being played by noobs. That argument might work fine for Yasuo, bot not for Elise. Also, if you could read, you might be able to see that tier 3 is "requires higher skill than usual". Elise is not being played as a FotM champ, the people playing her are usually the ones who have some experience (3% popularity rate).

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  158. Get the one that applies on auto attacks, Skirmishers I think

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  159. Actually, Elise has a miserable pick AND win rate in gold+. If your argument about noobs playing her was true, her win rate would curve upwards.

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  160. thunderman1165November 27, 2014

    My point is that is nuts how he has been so popular for so dang long. Like Lee.

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  161. Awesome thanks! Ywah it isn't the item, I played with a WW who bought only machete and he still owned

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  162. Thanks a ton though

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  163. Aweskme. Yeah I ll go rangers +devourer

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  164. thunderman1165November 27, 2014

    I'm not sure what to think of Kalista. Is she early mid or late game? And should she go standard arc or bork build? ALSO, is it always optimal to soul bind your support, or does doing it to ing actually make sense sometimes?

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  165. thunderman1165November 27, 2014

    Most add rune sets I've seen are something like 9 mr, 9 arm, 9 as, and 3 as quints. Something like that~

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  166. Popstar OlafNovember 27, 2014

    Vi, Wukong, Amumu and Rammus are not god tier junglers. Also, Katarina is so vulnerable right now after the nerf to her ult. Shouldn't Akali be god tier? look at her win rate though.


    And fuck Warwick. Stupid ass broken champ, I hope he gets reworked very soon.

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  167. Popstar OlafNovember 27, 2014

    I doubt that. Elise is so irrelevant right now. When you build her tanky, she's useless. When you build her full AP, she's also useless. Her pick and win rate in platinum and diamond is also low, so I guess she'll be forgotten in solo queue for now. I will still remember her in season 3 and how broken she was.

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  168. SquirrelNutkinsNovember 27, 2014

    The jungle changes in general are silly and were done mostly to just change the game for the sake of changing. 3/4ths of all junglers practically suck now. The changes they made obviously weren't done in the name of balancing because I've never seen the game this unbalanced.

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  169. I agree with literally everything you said. Nothing to add.

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  170. Her best point is late-mid game, but she's no slouch at 6-item phase. Most high elo players follow a standard build like IE---Greaves---Shiv---BT----LW---Defensive item.

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  171. thunderman1165November 27, 2014

    Now, not having played her, I don't know scalings and such, but I assume t-force wouldn't be ver good? Finally, I've seen Bjerg (while playing her mid) max her e first. Is that standard, or do you usually max q?

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  172. I have no idea what you would max mid lane, but adc you almost always max e then q. Triforce doesn't really make sense because she has no ap scalings, and the only spam friendly skill she has is her Q (w is on a very long cd, e needs to be stacked with basic attacks).

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  173. thunderman1165November 27, 2014

    You sir are quite helpful! Might I ask what division you are in?

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  174. Win rate DOES NOT EQUAL CHAMPION VIABILITY.

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  175. I was referring to which Smite changing item he should get, and obviously Devourer's as the "enchantment".

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  176. Then please inform me what other measure you have.

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  177. An easy way to tone down Warwick is to make the smite thing only apply on 3 auto attacks as it used to at one point, instead of any amount within a certain time limit.

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  178. The lack of a champion viability measure does not justify the complete trust of win rate especially since it takes into account all ranks. example: Kalista can be both the lowest win rate(39.91% if you count all ranks) and the highest win rate(100% win rate in challenger). Win rate can be used as a tool but not an actual measure.

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  179. The other replies are wayyy off the mark, everything you said is true. Especially since this list is for "low elo" (bronze to gold) why the hell would Orianna be tier 1 in comparison to Zed tier 2 since they both have high skillcaps

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  180. Do you guys even play this game ? zed tier 2 ? malphite god tier ? Twitch tier 3 ? are you guys playing in bronze?

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  181. basically because this list is for soloq and mid to low elo

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  182. This list is for low elo bro :/

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  183. I'm much more satisfied with this list than the last (Lucian and Fizz tier 2 had me questioning you xD), not so sure about graves being god tier but whatever. Good job

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  184. Exevier EtcheverryNovember 27, 2014

    Diana AP in jungle... Nope. I don't like , as jungle no.

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  185. Exevier EtcheverryNovember 27, 2014

    I think Jarvan isn't god, I think she is tier 2 or like that he lose a lot of health, he can be counterjungled easily, his ganks take much longer than s4. The same for Wukong, Vi or Amumu.

    By the way, has anyone tried toMalzahar AD Jungle, he is so broken. He doesn't lose health in jungle, drake at lvl 3, good 1 vs 1, good ganks, and lot of damage. However, he needs a high knowledge.

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  186. No one has given any shit about ww until this new jungle came out. Speaking from a ww main, I have to admit it is REALLY SAD that I'm not able to play him anymore in ranked.
    So stop crying.

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  187. SSJSuntasticNovember 27, 2014

    After the stats were updated recently, I agree on most points. However, Katarina isn't that much worse for the wear later on when it really matters; all they did was take away some of her early to mid game damage.


    Akali should be god tier right now, this is true. It seems like Morellonomicon rushes aren't enough to keep her down. '


    Lulu top is still tier 1 in the current meta simply because of her insane ability to deny death and drop the effectiveness of so many popular picks, such as Zed, Warwick, Pantheon, etc. She also synergizes very well with the same champs as well. The reason why her win rate is low is because as a support, she basically gets creamed by the likes of Sona, Janna, and even Vel'koz. However, in lane she still does very well, and compliments AD mids very well.

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  188. SSJSuntasticNovember 27, 2014

    Elise is one of those high skillcap champions who can do very well if you can nail cocoons and know who you can outtrade and when. However, because as you mentioned people tend to build her squishy to make her ganks more effective early on, her margin of error tends to be fairly low, especially since she's very cooldown reliant.


    I think she still has the potential to be good, but for most people other junglers perform about the same at a mediocre to average play level, and currently doesn't enough benefit for the amount of skill required to play her correctly.


    Surprisingly, I thought the new jungle would benefit her tremendously due to her insane jungle sustain when I heard people dying left and right, but at the moment it seems that complaints were overstated.

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  189. What is that jinx guide? I cant find any. please help.

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  190. Ryan M. MurphyNovember 27, 2014

    Of course the changes are unbalanced, they've been out for all of a couple weeks. That's why they released the changes in preseason, so that they could be balanced before the actual season starts.

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  191. It's funny how SSJ can easily finish any discussion

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  192. SSJSuntasticNovember 27, 2014

    The article I wrote on win rates is in the instructions and caveats section of this tier list.

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  193. I believe zed should be Tier 1 Mid. and jayce is also a good mid laner. Also i believe rumble should be moved to god tier for top lane

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  194. Yes! Gangplank <3

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  195. GoldenSrirachaNovember 27, 2014

    Should add in AP Malphite mid.

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