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Hi everyone and welcome back to the newest edition of the Solo Queue Tier List "Division Climbers". This week's update features a ton of movement, some of which is some clean-up at the balanced and lower divisions. Devourer based junglers seem to be doing the best at the moment, but some runeglaive junglers like Elise are also creating quite the stir.
SEASON 5 - PATCH 5.14 SOLO QUEUE TIER LIST
"Division Climbers"
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Preface Chatter
Hi everyone and welcome back to the newest edition of the Solo Queue Tier List "Division Climbers". This week's update features a ton of movement, some of which is some clean-up at the balanced and lower divisions. Devourer based junglers seem to be doing the best at the moment, but some runeglaive junglers like Elise are also creating quite the stir.Check out the full scoop below!
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Patch 5.14 Summary
Buffs: Ahri, Darius, Ekko, Elise, Tahm Kench;
Nerfs: Azir, Rumble, Ryze, Runeglaive (Bai Ezreal);
Tweaks: Miss Fortune, Evelynn;
Nerfs: Azir, Rumble, Ryze, Runeglaive (Bai Ezreal);
Tweaks: Miss Fortune, Evelynn;
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Updates
- Added:
- Elise Jungle FOTM explanation
- Thresh (ADC)
- Tahm Kench (Top)
- Removed:
- Sejuani (Mid)
- Yasuo (Jungle)
- 7/28: Moved Tristana ADC up
- 7/30: Added Support Trundle
- 8/2: Moved Ekko Jungle up
The Tier List
God Tier [Highest Influence]:Mid-Lane Gods: Ahri, Annie, Talon
Jungle Gods: Kayle, Warwick, Elise
AD Gods: Sivir, Jinx, Ashe,
Top Lane Gods: Irelia, Wukong, Riven, Shen
Support Gods: Janna, Nautilus, Blitzcrank
God Tier Rising: Elise (Jungle), Irelia (Top), Kayle (Jungle), Sivir (ADC), Talon (Mid)
God Tier Falling:
God Tier Falling:
Mid-Lane: Malzahar, Diana, Twisted Fate, Anivia, Morgana, Cho'Gath, Viktor, Lux, Swain, Varus, Brand, Heimerdinger, Kog'maw (AP), Vel'Koz, Xerath, Karthus, Wukong, Karma, Kayle, Mordekaiser, Fizz
Jungle: Xin Zhao, Diana, Shyvana, Nidalee, Udyr, Amumu, Nocturne, Jax, Aatrox, Master Yi, Vi, Ekko, Pantheon, Sion, Wukong, Evelynn, Volibear,
AD Carry: Draven, Vayne, Miss Fortune, Corki, Varus
Top Lane: Tryndamere, Fiora, Malphite, Kayle, Renekton, Sion, Vladimir, Rengar, Heimerdinger, Kennen, Hecarim, Jarvan IV, Nasus, Diana, Cassiopeia, Swain, Singed, Mordekaiser, Aatrox, Yasuo, Rumble, Cho'gath, Gnar, Lulu, Teemo, Rek'Sai, Pantheon
Support: Sona, Soraka, Leona, Brand, Braum, Taric, Nami, Thresh
Tier 1 Rising: Aatrox (Jungle), Braum (Support), Ekko (Jungle), Fizz (Mid), Hecarim (Top), Gnar (Top), Jarvan IV (Top), Jax (Jungle), Kayle (Top), Kennen (Top), Kog'Maw (AP), Malzahar (Mid), Master Yi (Jungle), Miss Fortune (ADC), Mordekaiser (Mid/Top), Soraka (Support), Udyr (Jungle), Varus (ADC), Vel'Koz (Mid), Viktor (Mid),
Tier 1 Falling: Amumu (Jungle), Corki (ADC), Diana (Jungle), Lux (Mid), Nasus (Top), Shyvana (Jungle), Vayne (ADC), Vladimir (Top), Volibear (Jungle), Xerath (Mid)
Tier 1 Falling: Amumu (Jungle), Corki (ADC), Diana (Jungle), Lux (Mid), Nasus (Top), Shyvana (Jungle), Vayne (ADC), Vladimir (Top), Volibear (Jungle), Xerath (Mid)
Mid-Lane: Katarina, Ziggs, Orianna, Lulu (AP), Yasuo, Vladimir, Zed, Nidalee, Galio, Kennen, Akali, Pantheon, Zyra, Cassiopeia, Corki, Lissandra, Teemo,
Jungle: Hecarim, Nunu, Rek'Sai, Nautilus, Shaco, Maokai, Sejuani, Fizz, Skarner, Rengar, Gragas, Fiddlesticks, Lee Sin, Trundle, Cho'Gath, Jarvan IV, Poppy, Irelia, Rammus, Kha'Zix, Malphite,
AD Carry: Kalista, Caitlyn, Tristana, Graves, Kog'Maw, Ezreal, Twitch, Quinn, Lucian
Top Lane: Nautilus, Akali, Poppy, Xin Zhao, Urgot, Morgana, Maokai, Garen, Lissandra, Darius, Yorick, Karma, Malzahar, Nidalee, Jax, Volibear, Warwick, Gangplank, Zed, Quinn, Trundle, Udyr, Lee Sin, Gragas, Jayce, Galio, Olaf, Viktor, Kha'Zix, Vi
Support: Alistar, Lulu, Morgana, Zyra, Vel'Koz, Shen, Bard, Annie, Trundle, Lux, Karma, Xerath,
Tier 2 Rising: Alistar (Support), Ezreal (ADC), Fizz (Jungle), Shen (Support), Trundle (Jungle), Yorick (Top)
Tier 2 Falling: Akali (Mid/Top), Caitlyn (ADC), Gangplank (Top), Graves (ADC), Kalista (ADC), Kennen (Mid), Kha'Zix (Jungle), Kog'Maw (ADC), Lulu (Support), Maokai (Jungle), Morgana (Support), Nautilus (Jungle), Nunu (Jungle), Rek'Sai (Jungle), Shaco (Jungle), Vladimir (Mid), Zyra (Support)
Tier 2 Falling: Akali (Mid/Top), Caitlyn (ADC), Gangplank (Top), Graves (ADC), Kalista (ADC), Kennen (Mid), Kha'Zix (Jungle), Kog'Maw (ADC), Lulu (Support), Maokai (Jungle), Morgana (Support), Nautilus (Jungle), Nunu (Jungle), Rek'Sai (Jungle), Shaco (Jungle), Vladimir (Mid), Zyra (Support)
Mid-Lane: Jayce, Ezreal (AP), Syndra, Azir, Ekko, Leblanc, Ryze, Fiora, Zilean, Master Yi, Gragas, Jarvan IV, Ezreal (AD), Urgot, Sona, Riven, Fiddlesticks, Kha'Zix, Malphite, Kassadin, Veigar, Elise, Tristana (AP)
Jungle: Zac, Olaf, Nasus, Karthus, Gangplank, Fiora, Zed, Malzahar, Leona, Riven, Darius, Shen, Dr. Mundo, Yorick, Garen, Tryndamere, Alistar
AD Carry: Urgot, Twisted Fate, Kennen, Thresh
Top Lane: Ryze, Ekko, Master Yi, Tahm Kench, Talon, Fizz, Dr. Mundo, Karthus, Zac, Shyvana, Alistar, Leblanc, Vayne, Nunu, Elise, Taric
Support: Tahm Kench, Zilean, Gragas, Maokai, Volibear, Kayle, Kennen, Fiddlesticks, Nunu, Malphite, Nidalee, Pantheon, Ashe, Anivia, Teemo, Lee Sin, Gangplank, Veigar
Tier 3 Rising: Ashe (Support), Kayle (Support)
Tier 3 Falling: Azir (Mid), Ekko (Top), Ezreal (AP)(Mid), Ryze (Top/Mid), Tristana )(AP)(Mid), Zac (Jungle)
Tier 3 Falling: Azir (Mid), Ekko (Top), Ezreal (AP)(Mid), Ryze (Top/Mid), Tristana )(AP)(Mid), Zac (Jungle)
Mid-Lane: Soraka, Janna
Jungle:
AD Carry:
Top Lane: Kassadin, Azir, Rammus, Soraka
Support: Orianna, Poppy, Elise, Galio, Syndra, Yorick, Lissandra, Leblanc
Tier 4 Rising:
Tier 4 Falling:
Tier 4 Falling:
Instructions and Caveats:
- Champions in BOLD I will talk about shortly
- Champions UNDERLINED may be over/undervalued, but aren't/haven't played enough for me to make a better judgement.
- Within each tier the champions are strongest from left to right, but within a tier each champion's strength is relatively close. This is especially true for Tiers 2 and 3 where these champions are ALL highly playable and player dependent on how strong they are in-game.
- This tier list takes data from ALL players; however, since the majority of players fall in the first three tiers, the majority of data points will come from there.
- Win Rates are important in analyzing each champion's strength, but are not the end-all criteria for any champion's position.
- The creator of this list is diamond, so there may be some personal bias towards higher tier play on certain champions.
Champion Explanations
- Ezreal (AP), Azir, Ryze [Misc.] - Nerfed really hard.
- Ahri [God Tier Mid] - Some people still question Ahri as a god tier mid laner, which I find somewhat surprisingly, but it's probably mostly due to professional influence. The fact of the matter is, Ahri is one of those champions that make enemy teams say "mid, pls stop getting caught by Ahri". With four flashes, three of which deal multi-target damage, easier said than done.
- Diana [Tier 1 Jungle] - With the changes on Runeglaive, Diana does farm harder, but bursts lower during ganks. As a primary "gank" type jungler post-6, this change does hurt her, but she retains more than enough damage to delete squishies.
- Elise [God Tier Jungle] - As her new buffs sink in, it's becoming ever more obvious that she's insanely strong right now. Check out this page for a full explanation!
- Gangplank [Tier 2 Top] - The new rework on Gangplank seems to be keeping him relatively the same, although his win rate dropped as people get used to his kit. I don't think it's anything special, but does seem to have more potential than we're seeing right now.
- Jarvan IV [Tier 1 Top] - The switch from tank meta to devourer meta was not kind of Jarvan as a jungler. However, as a top laner, he provides a ton of CC, armor reduction, and also naturally builds black cleaver, which is an amazing team fighting item at the moment.
- Jax [Tier 1 Jungle] - Despite a weak early game and somewhat difficult ganking power, Jax late game is absolutely monstrous after he's built up a few on-hit aspd items and gets sated status. His ability to solo carry games at that point more than makes up for his relatively low early strength.
- Kayle [God Tier Jungle] - Kayle jungle is absolutely broken right now. As a champion who excels with on-hit items, she massacres the jungle and mid-late game team fights. Her first clear can be a bit rough, but can be done even without a leash.
- Kayle [Tier 1 Top] - Top lane Kayle is still a big a bully as they come. Although she doesn't have the benefit of having devourer like her jungle counterpart, she's still in a great spot right now and can easily dominate lanes, split push, and 1v2 with ease. The fact that many "utility" type junglers are being replaced by glass cannons also works very well in her favor. She can be camped fairly easy top though, especially when the tears of her opponent start rolling.
- Master Yi [Tier 1 Jungle] - As a glass cannon jungler with limited utility, Master Yi definitely suffers from some glaring weaknesses. However, as most of you have figured out by now, the double strike proc rate with sated makes him a terror
- Miss Fortune [Tier 1 ADC] - The Miss Fortune rework has definitely made her stronger overall. The fact that she can now access her speed boost via her W is huge, since it gives her both chasing and escaping power vs simply sheer damage.
- Morgana [Tier 2 Support] - Morgana's been inadvertently nerfed lately with more "auto-attack" type junglers coming onto the rift that deal sheer AD damage. This makes her black shield weaker. Additionally, the yellow passive gold item was buffed, but Morgana does much better with the blue one.
- Nunu [Tier 2 Jungle] - Nunu is still a very viable jungler. However, with the shift of power over from cinderhulk to devourer and runeglaive, he doesn't scale quite as well into the late game as other champions. This means that his overall impact tends to be much lower in comparison to other popular picks.
- Tahm Kench [Tier 3 Top] - Some players found success with top lane Kench, as his damage and tankiness with his shield is decent. However, he still winds up mainly in a support-ish role in teamfights, and so it seems reminiscent of Braum top (which never caught on).
- Talon [God Tier Mid] - With many junglers switching over from heavy CC utility based junglers to squishy glass cannons, Talon's instantaneous AOE synergizes well with them on their team, and also has the ability to deal a high percentage of their HP even by collateral damage.
- Warwick [God Tier Jungle] - With his built-in attack speed boost and passive on-hit lifesteal, Warwick absolutely crushes with sated devourer, wits end, and/or blade of the ruined king. We're seeing him top the charts at every division for the second patch in a row, and it's only a matter of time before the NERFPLZ pitchforks are raised.
Disclaimer:
- The purpose of this list is for discussion and to provide a starting point for champion selection.



IT IS HERE <3! Love it! (elise is hot btw)
ReplyDeleteFinally, no more 3 tanks in each team. The meta is cyclical, now is the feral flare meta coming back with a new name.
ReplyDeleteholy shit elise is fucking back gotta have fun for a while before they demolish her again due to QQ
ReplyDeleteAs a main Elise I think that the buffs were too much.
ReplyDeleteTanks are getting wrecked this patch, but I'll admit AD and AP monsters like that can be difficult to overcome sometimes... I still like my Tanks, tho... Maokai, Gragas, Shen... Thornmail's gonna be a big priority and Locket of the Iron Solari should never lack on a team.
ReplyDeleteWhile I think that Feral Flare Warwick was the pinnacle of Warwick's strength, Sated Devourer Warwick is still veeeery reminiscent of those old times. The stomps are real.
ReplyDeleteYeah. Nowadays though in my games i've seen more people know the Locket. Aegis-Locket item, beast item. I always usually build it if teammates dont. and i say to them; I will build this, others dont, because it has unique passive.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think about TF jungle? I can see a resurgence because of sated devourer. I can see him being Tier 3. So maybe he deserves a mention?
ReplyDeleteWhat would be the build path for a jungle kayle?
ReplyDelete"Feral Flare Warwick was the pinnacle of Warwick's strength."
ReplyDeleteAnyone else remember preseason 5? Something about a 65%+ Winrate, and needing to not only nerf to the ground the item that broke him, but also needing to cut off his balls and feed them to him for dinner in the process.
Honestly, I liked Warwick more before Feral Flare was a thing, all it and devourer have caused is nerfs to the poor dog, he can't even function without them anymore (this coming from a Warwick Top main).
Good to see elise back in action, tho i dont play jungle, gj on the new list btw, perfectly fits the current meta
ReplyDeleteAidsWick, eboladyr, cancer zhao....
ReplyDeleteAs an adc main im more than happy to get the tank meta back
MF tier 1 is a joke right?
ReplyDelete"The Miss Fortune rework has definitely made her stronger overall. The fact that she can now access her speed boost via her W is huge, since it gives her both chasing and escaping power vs simply sheer damage."
Chasing power?...minions take it off just like before, unless you have BT or a support that give you a constant shield...and we are talking about solo queue....I think this rework have made MF a different champion that is really more team reliant than before...and played based on the strut....but its not a tier 1 champion...its not like youre going to carry a game with mf in min 37.
I love Kayle jg, that's been my girl for the past week. I love playing scumbag jg too where you just focus on your build first. Lanes cry and will lose if they are bad, but mid-late is where you hop out and solo push a lane to their base and bulldoze any champ in your way. I would say her damage might be broken, but she is crazy fragile...except nobody wants to fight you lol. Just silence or stun her first, then nuke. Dat ult though. I really want to try out Elise now since she looks like fun, in case they nerf my angel...
ReplyDeleteHi guys! what would you guys say about Ekko's current condition? I love his playstyle, his lore and everything, but i'm not sure if he's worth it
ReplyDeleteI hope they won't nerf Elise.
ReplyDeleteHey, I just asked a few hours ago but I think people might oversee it now due to the new patch-update so I will ask it again...
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone have a nice AP Miss Fortune build for me? I saw some guides with nashors but I think they were all pretty outdated and I am not really sure wether its still good....
I think Gangplank deserves a higher spot. He's a serius threath as a damage dealer, and if he builds tank, he brings a lot of utility as well.
ReplyDelete"let's buff elise and them nerf hard on her again, just as we did with ryze :)" - patch 5.16, probably
ReplyDeleteMiss Fortune's always been a very strong duelist in solo queue. If she can bait out an all-in fight, she wins against the majority of the AD carries in a 1v1 situation.
ReplyDeleteThe strut activation is much better than you'd imagine; it allows her to run down enemies with superior movement speed even after they flash, and guarantees her escape after her own flash.
The increased slow on her make it rain also help her stick to targets to stack impure shot stacks.
Miss Fortune's always been a looked down on in professional play since she's very predictable and doesn't scale as hard into late game. However, in solo queue she's always been very strong simply because everyone wants to try and fight rather than focus on farming.
Generally Devourer, Nashor's Tooth, Hurricane, Deathcap, Void Staff
ReplyDeleteVery, Very difficult champion to pull off imo... at that tier of champs like riven where you can do ok and still have an impact w/ out much knowledge of the champ and can do great if you really know how to play them, but when played well, the whole enemy team will just say that ekko/riven is a broken champ and needs to be nerfed. Gonna take at least like 30 games to start doing well consistently with him as his damage is not very high right now, especially for an assassin, and landing your stun is pretty much essential in being able to solo carry games.
ReplyDeleteI dont know. I bought him on release with his skin and suck with him, but he's a fun champ to play :)
I think it's better to go kinda hybrid, with hextech gunblade as first item. Maybe triforce, although any sheen item would do just as well. Then void staff and last whisper (unless, maybe, if someone on your team has cleaver). I don't really like nashor's for this build. Last 3 items I guess are pretty standard, usually zhonya's, rabadon's and a situational very last item. Keep in mind that it's a heavily early-mid focused build. If game goes 50 minutes, you might wanna sell everything that doesn't fit for a full ad, or at least a full ap build (except the arpen for the latter, you really need it, cause your ulti deals mixed damage).
ReplyDeleteDon't try this in ranked though. I get flaming and dodges in normals, think how this would play out in ranked. I don't think she's a good pick anyway, unless the team comp favors her.
Maybe you can try runeglaive on her?
varus tier 1 adc?
ReplyDeleteAlso- Why did varus adc get moved up? I love varus he's my favorite champion atm but i usually play him mid, i thought he was a rather weak as an adc, considering imo he kind of needs to snowball because his att speed steroid comes from kills and doesn't have the tools like draven does in order to snowball hard.
ReplyDeletead/mpen marks
ReplyDeletearmor seals
mr/scaling mr/scaling cdr glyphs
ap quints
my favorite is mpen reds and 3x scaling mr/6x scaling cdr (=10%cdr @lvl 18) blues
Tahm Kench is in bold but no explanation. Gj with the list tho.
ReplyDeleteCool. I'll try them :)
ReplyDeleteVayne has a 50%+ winrate in plat and a huge popularity ATM, after several nerfs on early game marksmen. No thoughts on that?
ReplyDelete...she used to win most of her 1vs1 dueling because she used to have gw....and ppl just come at you thinking "my lifesteal/heal are going to let me win the trade" but this new mf I dont think is a duelist.
ReplyDeleteYeah I get the strut activation, and if your support is a really good one with shields, laning phase could be really nice. But if you...dont then she is like old MF...and yes you could activated, chase, run, etc. But if a single minion hit you is done.
That's part of it, but I doubt they went into the fight thinking that would save them since MF was probably carrying it too. The major reason is that every consecutive shot she does deals 6% more damage up to a cumulative ~34% stacking. Unlike a champion like Vayne where there's a pseudo warning system that the 3rd shot will hit particularly hard, MF's damage increase is invisible.
ReplyDeletethis tier list is really bad. Not anywhere near accurate.
ReplyDeleteI think his early clear would still be difficult with the limited soft leash resets. I don't know that his E card stack would necessarily benefit as much as expected from sated (does pick a card double proc?), and I think it would be difficult for him to reach 30 stacks in any timely manner.
ReplyDeletehi ssj :$ big fan
ReplyDeleteThanks for the detailed feedback, I appreciate your thoughtful response.
ReplyDeleteEY MASTER YI THO
ReplyDeleteShe's pretty good right now, still requires a decent amount of decision making to be effective though. There was a point in time where she could crit on the first hit, go all in, and come out ahead 95% of the time (back when crit was available).
ReplyDeleteThis is true, thanks for that!
ReplyDeleteThere are a lot of poke based mid laners at the moment, and Nidalee jungle is also a popular pick. Although Varus ADC doesn't poke quite as well as the popular Varus mid builds, he still synergizes very well with a lot of the meta solo queue champions.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you guys generally build on jungle Kayle?
ReplyDeleteOff the top of my head:
ReplyDeleteMorello's/Athene's into Deathcap/Luden's. Sorc shoes, Haunting Guise, Rylai's and a defensive item.
Hi! Thanks for your support!
ReplyDeleteHey SSJ. How do you build Singed? I saw your post on ez OP champs and thought I'd try him out top lane.
ReplyDeleteDevourer into Nashors, then rylais, then you can go more on hit or more ap, you can even go full magic pen, your choice
ReplyDeleteok that made me laugh
ReplyDeleteHey, look on the bright side, at least you're not getting one-shot by Vi or Nocturne ult :)
ReplyDeleteTear > Ninja Tabi or Mercury's (depending on matchup) > Rylai's (start with belt) > Thornmail (now sell Ninja Tabi if you have it and buy Mercury's) > Liandry's > Banshee
ReplyDeleteWhat's the rationale behind fizz's movement from tier 2 to tier 1 for midlane?
ReplyDeletei agree with you
ReplyDeletenuuu yasuo jungle the legend u will be remembered
ReplyDeleteMiss fortune is a duelist because her W scaled off AD, and despite doing magic damage, it's ahead of another ADC that might rush an IE like her. Her Q is pretty much an auto attack since it applies on-hit effects and helps does more damage, like Vayne's Tumble.
ReplyDeleteShe still wins because of her 3-4 second CD Q depending on if you built a Black Cleaver, which is good for reducing armor and can reduce a lot if its a second item, and her ultimate also stacks her W, meaning you'd do plenty of damage after using her her autos 6 times.
Minions take off her W but having her fully stacked strut for even half a second (which is surprising they made it like that) to get of an auto for a kill is really good.
People are doing it now and honestly its secretly OP with that stun card. I played as Yi and if he ever got the jump on me first he would use a gold card and kill me before I had a chance to do anything.
ReplyDeleteDraven currently has the third highest winrate of the ADCs plat+, higher than jinx. Why is jinx ranked higher than him?
ReplyDeleteFIZZ IS BACK IN TIER ONE! I KNEW THIS DAY WOULD COME
ReplyDeleteLol yeah, you're going Warwick Top instead of jungle, which will always be better despite the nerfs he received
ReplyDeleteOk! I agree poke is very strong rn which compliments my playstyle very well, looking to pick up nidalee asap :). Long live the archer of Ionia.
ReplyDeleteList also takes into account ease of play, considering draven is easily one of the hardest adcs to play, second maybe only to vayne or something, definitely not going to be super high in terms of ease in ability to carry games.
ReplyDeleteIt's a very small percentage point higher early on in the patch, Jinx has 3x as many games as Draven, and the average Draven player has 60% more games played on Draven compared to Jinx players on Jinx.
ReplyDeleteSometimes statistics can be misleading if you're not looking at all the numbers. They're both very good right now though.
THE LEGEND
ReplyDeleteI usually build tear, rylai, and liandries, then defense items based on what the enemy team's strongest champions are. I've also seen RoA -> Rylai work very effectively, but you'll need to farm for longer before your power spike.
ReplyDeleteBye Bye Free Elo ryze :'(
ReplyDeleteThis is my build, and it shreds like no tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteDevourer(Rush Sated), Wits end, Runaan's Hurricane, Rylai, Nashors, Ionian Boots.
im scared now i hope elise doesn't become perma banned
ReplyDeleteOh she will. Expect more nerfs soon. Riot's going to nerf her like they did Ryze.
ReplyDeletebut someday.....someday, he will be in lcs.......SOMEDAY YASUO YOU WILL DOMINATE THE JUNGLE....ONCE IN FOR ALL!!!!!! EVEN IF IT TAKES A SEASON OR 2
ReplyDeleteI can see that my dear Poppy is slowly making her way higher up in Tier 2 top.
ReplyDeleteI think she was in an okay spot last patch but now they overbuffed her and she will get nerfed again soon I suppose
ReplyDeletethank you ssj for hiding my freelo udyr and jax in tier 1.
ReplyDeleteanyways, kayle does full clear leash less...welp, is that even possible?
i still think kayle and jungle ww is not that great for u can't gank 4 life( at least for ww pre six)
but whatever, keep my freelo and i am happy.
we all expected elise, like seriously, if you buff a champ this much...
nunununununu
ReplyDeleteyou build 6 tear and carry
Go to http://www.lolflavor.com/ or http://champion.gg/ to learn how to build champs. This is what Riot employees use whenever they're learning new champs.
ReplyDeletei think they should just revert the .15 back to to .10 on her spider lings and reduce the stun duration very slightly and
ReplyDeleteooooooooooooo My Viktor and Malzahar be rising to the top boys. Also why is Rek'sai ranked more higher in the top lane than in jungle?
ReplyDeleteWhen is deathcap betzer, when ludens?
ReplyDeleteRekt
ReplyDeleteWhy are your mains the same as mine?
ReplyDeleteSpooky scary skeletons?
ReplyDeleteIt requires something to hit you though, if you flash away and hit strut, no minion is gonna be like, "Hmm, Ima go past two lines of minions and extend my auto range to match cait ult range just so I can screw with that chicks passive" It is an insanely strong escape (Like trying to catch someone with mobi boots. Sure they're easy enough to catch when you get to them, but try getting to them.) That plus a stronger slow and better damage on her E plus SIGNIFICANT increase on the damage and reliability of her Q makes her much stronger.
ReplyDeleteMore like gloriously evolutionary voidlings.
ReplyDeleteWhy was akali top moved down ? from almost top tier 1 to tier 2
ReplyDeleteI don't really get it , why people only cry about Elise what about champions like cancerwick. it will be shameful if they nerfed Elise again.
ReplyDeleteWhy is Shen god tier? Just asking, not whining or something I want to know why he is strong, I haven't played against a lot of shens and I also like top lane so, should I buy him?
ReplyDeleteCan you explain me why Amumu moved down ?
ReplyDeleteOk, thank you for the reply :D
ReplyDeleteShe was fine even before they buffed her. I main elise in the jungle and I really don't see what the others were complaining about her being "weak" etc. She was all good and came the unecessary buffs which made her even better. So I really wouldn't mind if they revert her changes back to the date before they even started buffing her again, more elise for me.
ReplyDeleteThis is so true. I'm not sure if you are referring to the most recent buffs or all of them, but I tried her again (played her a lot last season) and thought she was really strong. Of course, this a reason champs end up op. People aren't good enough to play or don't realize they should/could be playing champion X. People whine and the champs numbers still aren't in a good spot. Then one buff puts them over the top. Right now if you land a cocoon the enemy dies if they weren't a flash away from tower and even then they aren't necessarily safe.
ReplyDeleteHer winrate was at 45% and that's pretty weak tbh. They should revert her spiderling change because now elise deals tons of dmg while building tanky but the Cocoon change should remain untouched.
ReplyDeleteAlso they should make her able to Rappel onto wards to increase her outplay potential but only if they revert the damage buff.
Any thoughts on Elise in the top lane?
ReplyDeleteHer win rate is 54% this patch which is insane for a high skill cap champ
ReplyDeleteI haven't tried it since the recent buffs but my answer has always been h*ll no.
ReplyDeleteLol, I kind of expected the god tier talon after how much you've been talking about him recently.
ReplyDeleteDevourer, runaans, rabs, void staff, nashors. Bye enemy team.
ReplyDeleteBecause easier champions mean easier to carry at most ranks especially the lower tiers
ReplyDeleteMeta shifts probably. The devourers build bork to run through his health and shyvana and Elise can easily bully him out of his jungle
ReplyDeleteOk you and him are sending shivers down my spine with your similarities ;)
ReplyDeleteTHE LEGEND
ReplyDeleteShhhhh dont say vayne is good, dont want to lose my main
ReplyDeleteYes nerfplz community vayne is bad and useless and i tend to main bad and useless champions ;)
And your comment is a good reminder that he got rekt
ReplyDeleteNah, idk if they kept his Q the same but i felt that its way weaker than it was before and god damn that E is the most useless ability in the game
ReplyDeleteLOOOL pesuedo alert system,
ReplyDelete"Oh shit vayne has 2 auto attacks on me, now i die or burn my flash and die"
What bryce potter said, warwick with pre nerf devourer(pre season) was the pinnacle of his strength
ReplyDeleteShame i formatted my laptop and that replay was gone, he legit pressed R from ful HP and killed me, highly stacked devourer+wits end+bork+base dmg killed me from full hp
What is your thought on Nocturne mid? I have been playing him recently, and he does REALLY well in the midlane, he has great sustain, great kill pressure, and great roaming potential. The only bad thing about him is his early game mana problems.
ReplyDeleteI will always standby my monthly statement that Skarner should be placed higher. Great kit for fast clears, solid ganks, and good team fights. Versatile builds, as well.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nerfplz.com/2015/07/which-champions-are-strongest-when_14.html
ReplyDeletehttp://www.nerfplz.com/2015/07/which-champions-are-strongest-when_14.html
ReplyDeletehe's easier zed,only challenjour pick zed :D
ReplyDeletewaveclear and mana problems let her down,she's a better jungler,in the toplane her 1,6 sec stun is wasted
ReplyDeleteAnother problem with Nocturne mid is, You'll get flamed, yelled at, accused for trolling, reported! But people are so arrogant and never realise the true power and beauty of Noc mid
ReplyDeleteWhen playing varus as adc, I usually build Infinity Edge>zerkers>phantom dancer>botrk>last whisper>Mercurial/ga. Any suggestions? I get botrk instead of bloodthirster just due to personal preference, i like the attack speed from botrk
ReplyDeleteAD nunu wrecks. Blood boil is nuts with devourer and consume gives him ludicrously fast clear times. I did this yesterday and was 2 levels up on enemy mid from just AFK farming my SD.
ReplyDeleteUr build is ok but if u wanna aim for more poke u should really go BT
ReplyDeleteBotrk is safer and helps u vs tanks and some assasins but ur poke wont be as strong
This post is 100% true!!! I give my signature to this. He perfectly described shen.
ReplyDeleteUltimate is awesome. Every time I play, i take looks at the minimap/look at bot with unlocked camera, and oh man, the Shield+Teleport is juicy. I just come and Taunt the enemy and we wreck them. It's like ganking, and you give the adc/support a huge shield. It takes a little time to channel and teleport but usually enemy doesnt react fast, or our bot lane can hold them down 1-2 seconds.
Shen's Taunt is the thing. really strong and great CC. Taunted to attack you. Sometimes I feel like the hitbox in it or something is small though. I don't hit the taunt, even though it looks like it should have hit. But yeah, anyway.
Also like zebeast45 said, buy BOTRK+tank items. I like to run SunFire Cape, MR, BOTRK, Health... Tenacity boots
Isn't BloodThirster sort of safer? BT is great. I mean, nowdays, it gives you that SHIELD? WHen you poking, doing damage, you just get a nice shield so if they poke you back/ come at you, you got more HP
ReplyDeleteSo, guys... Are tanks now totally shibe and useless??? Because of this new Devaurer meta shifting in. Or what do you think. Should you even play gragas, amumueah.... tank junglers anymoar? I've seen that they have so much CC, to interrupt the devourer junglers. especially master yi/warwick when they build/are squishy.
ReplyDeleteLOL! I remember trying out a Sort of: Bruiser AD/AP Hybrid nunu, top lane... Just building AD mostly, some AP too... and tankyness. It was fun and we won the game. (normal game of course)
ReplyDeleteHe will be sad now :/
ReplyDeleteLol I tried it, I did bad early game but did better during mid game. In the end we lost tho :') I dont think you should try it in ranked lol
ReplyDeleteI loved top Elise before. she was so good in the golden days. Don't know about these days.
ReplyDeleteGood as a counterpick to certain champs, but I pref nocturne top.
ReplyDeleteNice sustain in lane and if youre a bit more careful you wont go oom
They are still viable but more balanced now, with the rise of devourer junglers who can now get double bork procs and strongly buffed liandrys they will get shred by those with consistent damage but a tank is still a tank at the end of the day so they still make decent meat shields
ReplyDeleteYou should try the earlygame runes, AD marks, armor seals, ap glyphs and ap quints
ReplyDeleteUseless? If correctly used he can burst the squishies with it. 3 seg 80% slow. DONT BUILD CRIT. With Hydra, Trinity and tank he can do a lot of damage
ReplyDeleteI personally don't like Hurricane anymore. People don't tend to clump up close enough together to make it worth it and the Sated Passive doesn't proc on Hurricane bolts regardless. I prefer more AP; the extra AP is worth a ton and goes well with your 100% AP on hit when you proc sated. The 3 options I like are Abyssal if there's an AP threat I need to duel, Zhonyas so I can use my ult more liberally, or Lich Bane for the extra burst. I find myself leaning towards Lich Bane; A Q and 2 autos is enough to kill most squishies when you have Sated, Lich Bane, and a bunch of AP.
ReplyDeleteI usually build crit and its great. If those barrels crit, its insane. People just suck at GP right now because they dont know how to effectively use those barrels. And this guy above you is a vayne main. Explains his lack of knowledge on other champs lol
ReplyDeleteI think Jungle Fizz is strong building Devourer->Sheen->Nashor's as his core. Especially once he gets Sated his W on-hit becomes absurd. Hybrid build with botrk has better early clear but building AP makes you way stronger after you get the Sated.
ReplyDeleteI used to play on-hit devourer Nunu with Wit's end before cinderhulk was made. You sacrifice some tanginess but gain a lot of DPS in extended fights.
ReplyDeleteMy friend refuses to build Liandries because according o him "I don't see the magic pen" I really wanna convince him otherwise
ReplyDeleteDoesn't strut get disabled again after MF takes damage when she uses her W? it seems kinda pointless except for chasing
ReplyDeleteAt long last SSJ has seen the light :D, T1 baby right where he belongs
ReplyDeleteI like nocturne better as a laner than a jungler myself (still one of my favorite junglers), he simply outtrades everyone with that spellsheild and fear, plus i guess in mid the roam potential is stupid good with his ultimate
ReplyDeleteHey SSJ, can you explain why brand gas such a high win rate right now? Atleast for brand. Personally I hate brand, he feels useless, with low range and low dmg and no mobility. I don't see what is good about him.
ReplyDeleteExcuse me did you just say.... that barnd has... low? damage? if this is the case sir either you have been playing against brand as a tank, or are inexperienced in the way of brand, he has enough damage to bring their team to its knee's with a single button, and he has a combo that can chunk you so hard that you cry, that and his 10 years stun also helps a little
ReplyDeleteI think that Zyra should be moved up ~
ReplyDeleteWell, as somebody that plays syndra, I feel that if your playing an immobile mage you should be able to 100-0 any other mage in the mid lane, Sence you don't have nearly as much roaming potental as other laners, and i don't see that, unless he lands multi able bounces with his ult which doesn't happen a lot in lane. Next to that, his combo requires him to land his e which has super short range, making it hard to do anything in fights, and although his passive does do good dmg to tanks, he has to be super risky to do it, and he has a hard time as a mage getting to the carrys.
ReplyDeleteLiandry do more damage but we must also consider that it is much more expensive.
ReplyDeleteBRAND LOW DAMAGE, wow.
ReplyDeleteHey i play Syndra too, so much fun and so strong with her short cd stuns and perma slows
ReplyDeleteOk, so here is what you are missing, with brand just wait for the enemy to engage, stun them while they are in range of their minions and ulti, 95% of the time your combo will finish them, the other 5% ignite will
Brand isn't reliant on his E. You land W > Q for stun then E and R and then ignite + passive will finish them off. Brand has absurdly high damage.
ReplyDeleteBuild path is better though
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