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Hi everyone and welcome back to the newest edition of the Solo Queue Tier List "Division Climbers". With Caitlyn disabled for a while, I'm not sure how heavily the buffs affected her. However, there's been quite a bit of movement in the jungle and mid lane. Check out the full scoop below:
SEASON 5 - PATCH 5.11 SOLO QUEUE TIER LIST
"Division Climbers"
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Preface Chatter
Hi everyone and welcome back to the newest edition of the Solo Queue Tier List "Division Climbers". With Caitlyn disabled for a while, I'm not sure how heavily the buffs affected her. However, there's been quite a bit of movement in the jungle and mid lane. Check out the full scoop below:As always, don't forget to like the site on Facebook if you haven't already!
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Patch 5.11 Summary
Buffs: Aatrox, Caitlyn, Jayce, Kha'Zix, Malphite, Orianna, Shen, Shyvana;
Nerfs: Ashe, Ekko, Hecarim, Katarina, Leblanc, Ryze, Sejuani, Sivir, Luden's Echo;
Tweaks: Brand;
Nerfs: Ashe, Ekko, Hecarim, Katarina, Leblanc, Ryze, Sejuani, Sivir, Luden's Echo;
Tweaks: Brand;
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Updates
- Added Corki Mid
- Added Jungle Evelynn description
- Added Ekko Jungle
- 6/22: Ryze moved down;
- Added Nautilus Top
- FOTM Tier List updated
The Tier List
God Tier [Highest Influence]:Mid-Lane Gods: Ahri, Annie
Jungle Gods: Nunu, Amumu
AD Gods: Ashe, Sivir, Jinx
Top Lane Gods: Wukong, Irelia, Riven
Support Gods: Janna, Sona, Soraka, Nautilus
God Tier Rising: Soraka (Support), Wukong (Top)
God Tier Falling:
God Tier Falling:
Mid-Lane: Anivia, Malzahar, Diana, Talon, Xerath, Twisted Fate, Cho'Gath, Morgana, Swain, Ziggs, Vladimir, Brand, Heimerdinger, Cassiopeia, Karthus, Vel'Koz, Karma, Kayle, Kennen,
Jungle: Fiddlesticks, Hecarim, Rek'Sai, Kha'Zix, Maokai, Sejuani, Shyvana, Nidalee, Nocturne, Nautilus, Vi, Shaco, Warwick, Pantheon, Volibear, Xin Zhao, Sion, Udyr, Gragas, Evelynn
AD Carry: Vayne, Draven, Graves, Kog'Maw, Kalista
Top Lane: Vladimir, Tryndamere, Renekton, Hecarim, Fiora, Akali, Nasus, Ryze, Rengar, Heimerdinger, Cassiopeia, Malphite, Jarvan IV, Swain, Sion, Kayle, Aatrox, Rumble, Cho'gath, Lulu, Teemo, Rek'Sai, Pantheon
Support: Blitzcrank, Leona, Lulu, Morgana, Brand, Taric, Nami, Zyra, Thresh, Vel'Koz
Tier 1 Rising: Diana (Mid), Gragas (Jungle), Heimerdinger (Mid), Kha'Zix (Jungle), Lulu (Top), Maokai (Jungle), Nasus (Top), Nautilus (Jungle), Nocturne (Jungle), Shyvana (Jungle), Twisted Fate (Mid), Udyr (Jungle), Vi (Jungle), Vladimir (Top)
Tier 1 Falling: Blitzcrank (Support), Hecarim (Top), Leona (Support), Nidalee (Jungle), Ryze (Top), Sejuani (Jungle), Shaco (Jungle)
Tier 1 Falling: Blitzcrank (Support), Hecarim (Top), Leona (Support), Nidalee (Jungle), Ryze (Top), Sejuani (Jungle), Shaco (Jungle)
Mid-Lane: Katarina, Orianna, Akali, Lulu (AP), Wukong, Zed, Azir, Mordekaiser, Kog'maw (AP), Fizz, Nidalee, Galio, Pantheon, Lux, Zyra, Viktor, Corki, Lissandra, Varus, Ekko, Yasuo
Jungle: Skarner, Rengar, Lee Sin, Fizz, Cho'Gath, Wukong, Diana, Jarvan IV, Poppy, Irelia, Kayle, Zac, Rammus, Malphite, Master Yi, Trundle
AD Carry: Miss Fortune, Corki, Caitlyn, Varus, Quinn, Tristana, Twitch, Ezreal, Lucian
Top Lane: Kennen, Singed, Darius, Diana, Gnar, Nautilus, Ekko, Poppy, Xin Zhao, Urgot, Morgana, Maokai, Garen, Gangplank, Yasuo, Mordekaiser, Lissandra, Nautilus, Karma, Malzahar, Nidalee, Jax, Volibear, Warwick, Shen, Zed, Quinn, Trundle, Udyr, Lee Sin, Jayce, Galio, Olaf, Yorick, Viktor, Kha'Zix, Vi
Support: Braum, Bard, Annie, Karma, Alistar, Xerath,
Tier 2 Rising: Azir (Mid), Gangplank (Top), Poppy (Top), Skarner (Jungle)
Tier 2 Falling: Ekko (Top), Katarina (Mid), Wukong (Jungle/Mid)
Tier 2 Falling: Ekko (Top), Katarina (Mid), Wukong (Jungle/Mid)
Mid-Lane: Jayce, Syndra, Ryze, Leblanc, Fiora, Zilean, Master Yi, Gragas, Jarvan IV, Ezreal (AD), Urgot, Ezreal (AP), Sona, Riven, Fiddlesticks, Kha'Zix, Malphite, Teemo, Tristana, Kassadin, Veigar, Sejuani, Elise
Jungle: Olaf, Ekko, Nasus, Karthus, Gangplank, Jax, Fiora, Zed, Malzahar, Leona, Riven, Darius, Shen, Dr. Mundo, Elise, Yorick, Garen, Tryndamere, Aatrox, Alistar
AD Carry: Urgot, Twisted Fate, Kennen
Top Lane: Master Yi, Talon, Fizz, Dr. Mundo, Gragas, Zac, Shyvana, Alistar, Leblanc, Vayne, Nunu, Elise, Taric
Support: Fiddlesticks, Lux, Gragas, Maokai, Volibear, Kennen, Zilean, Nunu, Kayle, Malphite, Nidalee, Pantheon, Anivia, Teemo, Lee Sin, Gangplank, Veigar
Tier 3 Rising:
Tier 3 Falling: Elise (Jungle), Leblanc (Mid), Ryze (Mid),
Tier 3 Falling: Elise (Jungle), Leblanc (Mid), Ryze (Mid),
Mid-Lane: Soraka, Janna
Jungle: Yasuo
AD Carry:
Top Lane: Kassadin, Azir, Rammus, Soraka
Support: Orianna, Poppy, Ashe, Elise, Galio, Syndra, Shen, Yorick, Lissandra, Leblanc
Tier 4 Rising:
Tier 4 Falling:
Tier 4 Falling:
Instructions and Caveats:
- Champions in BOLD I will talk about shortly
- Champions UNDERLINED may be over/undervalued, but aren't/haven't played enough for me to make a better judgement.
- Within each tier the champions are strongest from left to right, but within a tier each champion's strength is relatively close. This is especially true for Tiers 2 and 3 where these champions are ALL highly playable and player dependent on how strong they are in-game.
- This tier list takes data from ALL players; however, since the majority of players fall in the first three tiers, the majority of data points will come from there.
- Win Rates are important in analyzing each champion's strength, but are not the end-all criteria for any champion's position.
- The creator of this list is diamond, so there may be some personal bias towards higher tier play on certain champions.
Champion Explanations
- Ashe [God Tier ADC] - Despite nerfs to Ashe this time around, she remains one of the top, if not distinctively the top ADC in solo queue at the moment. However, she's definitely closer to to the other marksmen in the game now.
- Azir [Tier 2 Mid] - As a champion who sees a lot of competitive and high Elo play, Azir truly happens to be one of those high skill cap champions with tons of potential and very little room to execute it. However, if you're willing to practice with him for at least 50 games, you can do very well with him.
- Diana [Tier 1 Mid] - With the recent nerfs on other popular champions like Katarina and Leblanc, Diana is comparably much stronger. Additionally, with the way Luden's Echo was changed, it's not quite as broken on "poke" type champions now, and still very strong on assassin based champions.
- Ekko [Tier 2 Mid/Top] - After the nerfs on Ekko, he seems to be fairly balanced at the moment.
- Hecarim [Tier 1 Top] - Still an excellent team fight oriented champion who also does well in lane, his overall impact has been diminished this patch after a set of repeated nerfs. He still has a high game impact, but has dropped 4% from the leader of the pack to someone with an average success rate, (even with a moderate level of mastery).
- Janna [God Tier Support] - The latest changes to ancient coin have made it very easy for Janna to play passive and still receive a huge benefit as a utility based champion. This means that even Jannas who aren't really quite sure when to trade can sit back and still make a massive impact on the game.
- Katarina [Tier 2 Mid] - As a burst type champion with strong poke damage via Luden's, Katarina received a double whammy nerf, bringing her back down to Earth.
- Kha'Zix [Tier 1 Jungler] - The latest buffs on Kha'Zix greatly increased his effective area, allowing him to execute his burst damage extremely effectively. This combined with the continual nerfs on tanky junglers is bringing him back into rotation.
- Leblanc [Tier 3 Mid] - Leblanc's latest nerfs made her already small margin of error even smaller, pushing her tightly into a high skill niche.
- Leona [Tier 1 Support] - A combination of the previous patch nerfs on Leona and ancient coin buffs made Leona progressively weaker in comparison. She's still an extremely good champion to carry in solo queue, especially in lower divisions. However, she's definitely not at the top of her game anymore.
- Lulu [Tier 1 Top] - With the rise of heavy melee burst champions, Lulu's rising up as well. This combined with the fact that she can easily CC Ryze during his passive means she works very well as a counter for one of the most popular top laners.
- Malzahar [Tier 1 Mid] - As a champion that didn't rely on Luden poke to be effective, Malzahar gains greatly from this patch since he really doesn't lose out on much, whereas everyone else was hit slightly.
- Ryze [Tier 1] - After initial Ryze hype died down, it seems like Ryze actually needs a bit a finesse to execute correctly, and not just facerolling on the keyboard. Once people realized how deadly he is during his passive, they play much safer during laning phase. However, he's still very good if you're able to abuse his ranges.
- Ryze [Tier 3 Mid] - Where Ryze is able to abuse his ranges top lane, his mid lane potency is a bit lower as he doesn't have a good gap closer nor poke.
- Sejuani [Tier 1 Jungler] - After the nerfs Riot promised went live, Sejuani's play power took a big hit. She's definitely still very viable, but nowhere near the overwhelming force she was before.
- Shyvana [Tier 1 Jungler] - Shyvana jungle took a very interesting turn. Although Shyvana's damage to other champions was increased slightly, her true buff lies in the fact that her jungle clearing power is insanely high now, allowing her to not only clear her own camps with ease, but the enemy camps as well. She's essentially a high damage Nunu at this point, and impacts the early game very hard. Her late game still isn't that strong, but her early game power is indisputable.
- Soraka [God Tier Support] - Similar to Janna but on an even larger scale, the passive playstyle buff via ancient coin made Soraka extremely powerful.
- Twisted Fate [Tier 1 Mid] - Despite nerfs on Ludens, Twisted Fate's abilities center around his mid game map control. As there's an excellent balance between early and late game champion powers in the current meta, he fits a key role as arguably the most influential mid-game champion in the game.
- Udyr [Tier 1 Jungler] - As a counter-jungling and early game monster, Udyr does decently in the current meta as Riot's nerfed many of the high mobility champions. Now he can successfully run from and chase down enemy champions.
- Wukong [God Tier Top] - With the advent of the new black cleaver, Wukong already received a massive power spike. This combined with nerfs on many popular top laners puts him in a desirable position. The fact that he smashes on Ryze very hard also helps too. Again, as primarily a solo queue champion, he performs poorly in 1v2s, but in the uncoordinated environment of solo queue can easily snowball or come from behind via a well placed ultimate on an unguarded backline.
- Wukong [Tier 2 Mid] - Although as a champion by himself Wukong is very good on a variety of teams, placing him mid does generally stop your team from having a Luden's user. Despite the nerfs this patch, the item is still a cornerstone of damage on most teams, and not having one reduces the poke power of a team significantly. He's still viable mid, but isn't quite the cheese force mid that he used to be.
Disclaimer:
- The purpose of this list is for discussion and to provide a starting point for champion selection.

Hecarim is still a top lane god in my book. I'm Diamond 3
ReplyDeleteHe's been nerfed a bit as of late. The most recent change really impacted his potency with Teleport. Still very strong, but probably worth moving down a bit.
ReplyDeleteI personally prefer him in the jungle; I've seen a lot of success with him there, lately.
I've still played hecarim top a few times after the last nerf, but it seems VERY impactful to weakening his teleport ganks and I haven't seen nearly the burst I had before. Also, the nerf to his E+homeguards means he can't run into lane in a manner of seconds, and if he gets homeguards broken he can't still execute a target because the bonus ad from movespeed is calculated much more often. Hecarim jungle is largely untouched, however, and has also received quite a few buffs lately.
ReplyDeleteIs Ekko jungle the tank Ekko that's been seen in the LCS, or just a standard full ap/bursty ekko?
ReplyDeleteHecarim is still very strong, he's just not quite as good as he used to be.
ReplyDeleteNew list! there you go impatient people
ReplyDeleteAlso I kinda saw soraka high t1-god tier coming because of new ridiculous ancient coin buff, also no one really understands the phrase " focus soraka in lane" so its free heals and won fights everytime in lane, and late game is insane with that ult
And I strongly suggest that you drop vayne to t2-t3 the mechanics she needs and the knowledge she requires are too much to be in t1, honestly it hurts my eyes seeing all these ppl blind picking vayne and feed with her just because she's vayne, she applies to the yasuo trick, you think he's easy and ridiculously overpowered, but when you play him you'll feed hard
I've been steadily losing faith in this tier list, but all that remaining faith went out the window when you wrote "After the nerfs, Ekko seems to be fairly balanced". You do realize that the only "nerfs" he's gotten so far are a 20 mana cost increase on his W and a 5 base movement speed reduction, right?
ReplyDeleteI think this list is reaaally true, especially for the Khazix movement
ReplyDeleteDo you see her win rate? 51% nearly 52% atm, in my opinion , she's the best adc in the current meta, there's no assassin's that can burst vayne in an TF ,only a bunch of stupid tanks.
ReplyDeleteDiana , oh Diana, my beloved girl , she's actually the BEST assasin in the game , there's no one can face her in lane after she hit 6 , trust me.
ReplyDeleteSoraka is just insane right now
ReplyDeleteShouldn't Ekko be just a bit higher, with his counters (except Diana) being either nerfed or pretty bad anyway? By counters I mean Katarina, LeBlanc, Zed, any high mobility champion. The only counter he has that is still strong is Diana. Am I getting his counters wrong?
ReplyDeletegold-bronze elo
ReplyDeleteever watch S diana 2 play? Obviously not or you wouldnt say such an ignorant statement.
ReplyDeleteYou gotta realize that the creator of this list is diamond rank, and people there, I assume, are far more able to deal with him as they take more options into account. There's probably a little ELO bias in there.
ReplyDeletePersonally, i can't see him above middle of tier 1 max, though he can be tough to deal with at times.
Dude Diana's lvl 6 power spike is one of the most massive powerspikes in game. Its like facing a riven and old akali at once, she sticks to you, does insane dmg and has a shield too. Lvl 6 Diana is scary. Just watch the Diana mains in challenjour.
ReplyDeleteWhat about the ult mana cost?
ReplyDeleteHe also pushes the lane a lot with his q, whereas before it used to be like rumble q. I think that's a pretty big thing considering how top laners can abuse freezing and what not to make you susceptible to ganks which lets be honest, most hecarims dont take flash and his e is quite easy to interrupt.
ReplyDeleteI think it's time to move Alistar up. He's 100% pick/ban in competitive ( I know it's competitive) because he's really versatile and therefore, strong. Good engage, disengage, sustain, tankiness and even self-cleanse. The only downsides are (somewhat) high mana costs and the potential to mess the combo up. These are the only things keeping him away from God Tier but he's mid Tier 1 (above Brand) in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteLee Sin is still shit patch 4.20 onwards
ReplyDeleteBut in solo q you generally wanna pick champions with damage or low cool down cc. Although Ali is pick and ban in competitive, its only because a team can always follow up on his initial combo, and he has insane tower dive for the 2vs1 lane, in so q these strengths are lost due to in coordination, and his lack of play making (thresh, Leona) for himself makes him sub par to other picks
ReplyDeleteThe. He's defo strong tho and well worth picking
also remember his W Q combo is hard to pull off and in bronze - gold 4 its super hard to pull off which completely makes him useless if not knowing how to use his combo.
ReplyDeletein the 5.12
ReplyDeletenot even a word for malphite,jayce and cait?
ReplyDeleteThey got important buffs/changes and i thought you would mention them in the champion explanation
Not that I'm complaining. But how come Nocturne and Maokai are tier 1 junglers now?
ReplyDeleteYou could play Caitlyn last days, think twice about what you're saying.
ReplyDeleteCait god tier :)
ReplyDeleteNocturne small buffs over the last few patches (lowered CD on ult, more damage on E) plus the BOTRK range buff slowly made him very strong. Plus tank jungler nerfs make him come to the light.
ReplyDeleteSurprisingly, Maokai jungle is very strong, and in my opinion, stronger than TopKai, because I prefer to build full tank with Righteous Glory and just CC-lock for easy ganks, and take another more damaging Toplaner.
I've been playing both recently before they become mainstream, I recommend you give them a go :)
I had 300 armor and her passive did over 1k to me xD
ReplyDeleteThe passive isn't as ridicolous as u think it is, its what yasuo gets when he ults but you only get it on one auto every 5ish autos
ReplyDeleteI hope they don't nerf her <3
ReplyDeletei call bs on this one, that is redonkeylous.
ReplyDeleteDidn't play a lot during the last weeks... what changes made her OP?
ReplyDeleteruby sightstone
ReplyDeletethis item sucks
don't argue, you know it is a fact
the only purpose of this item is the fact it only gives you one more charge
remember CHARGE of ward, you still have the hard limit of three on sightstone.
regular sighstone is better, no contest.
the only reason you would upgrade it is for the late game yolo purpose
he is my main support
ReplyDeletei think the main problem is that he requires good follow up, something you can't rely on in yolo queue
pool party minions pbe hype
ReplyDeletedoesn't actually seem like ryze has been touched much on pbe, well you know what to do guys
time to abuse freelo
It's not bad at all on full tank junglers. How much more resist do you need when you have Cinderhulk, randuins, banshee and another full item of unkillableness?
ReplyDeleteI agree. That kat nerf suucks, I found myself sitting under their turrent looking stupid alot more D:
ReplyDeletewhy so rude?
ReplyDeletei tried her out awhile ago. i dunno what happened but her heal is ridiculous. kept entire team healthy enough to fight off fed enemies and win :D.
ReplyDeletemy guess is she gets more gold income to buy more items earlier lol.
really?
ReplyDeleteYesterday a kata did an instant quadra while today she ganked bot and did triple in one second literally
she has got a spammable powerful heal that makes her teamfight insane if done properly on top of global heal,also no one focus soraka ^^.
ReplyDeleteNothing else to say,makes everyone unkillable,pretty simple pretty effective
ekko is in the awkward position where no one knows if he's strong or not,win rates seem to say not but he is ban/pick everygame so there's no data for say of he's op or up so for now tier 2 is good
ReplyDeleteis like riot doesn't know how to balance him and add random numbers and passives to abilities until he will touch the 39% win rate again(i hope this)
ReplyDeleteinb4 riot smoke weed and decide to bring back k6 ult damage resistance xD
ReplyDeleteI think Riot will calm down with Hecarim change. I think now Hecarim is balanced and still decent choice on Soloqueue.
ReplyDeleteStill waiting the impact of the buff on Elise (forgotten champ), the new AP jungle item, ryze nerf (f*ck this champ) and GP rework :3
IMO Ekko is having the same problem as the other assassin has in the meta right now
ReplyDeleteYay he moved my tf up :D
ReplyDeleteI'm so happy, He's my favourite champion but I just haven't been able to play him (nocturne) cause why would i p lay him when there are better picks
ReplyDeleteShyvana deserve higher i think
ReplyDeleteI totally agree. She's one of my main Top Lane champions and her trades are just insane now with the buff to burnout.
ReplyDeleteShe will be the same as she has been, just a bit worse. Sucks when behind, a b*tch when ahead, life ruined by cc, the low elo terror
ReplyDeleteWhy didn't jayce move up? he got a buff and should at least be talked about :( some love please!
ReplyDeleteI think she has a fantastic late game.
ReplyDelete*slow and soft chants*
ReplyDeleteKha'Zix Mid
Kha'Zix Mid
Kha'Zix Mid
Thats pretty much out of context. We dont know how bad the opposing mid laner was. The reply below sums it up well though. Also ask yourself who had MR built if your ream builds at an appropriate time.... that it should stop the instagib prevent resets and allow you to return fire and nuke her
ReplyDeleteI've been maining and playing Janna lately! <3!! Many victories in Duo Queue ownage. Nice one, SSJ ;)! She is great support. GOD TIER.
ReplyDeleteHhahahaha :) nice. My talk now is backed up. I talked about Shyvana and also specific in top lane, in the last tier list.
ReplyDeleteShe is very good :) Decent. Tier 2-1 material IMHO.
W Q combo can easily be done if you as soon a, you see the animation cast of your W you hit Q, you will always hit your combo that way. Another Trick I find rather usefull on Ali is flash Q into W back into your team. Because your team can focus that champ down while you have your ult and survive.
ReplyDeleteThe changes to Coin, and Adrent Censer were a huge indirect buff.
ReplyDeleteDoes the fizz top ranking take into account fizz cinderhulk top? From what Ive seen, it has a decent win rate and is played by a lot of high Eli players.
ReplyDeleteAlso, is fizz jungle referring to full ap fizz, ad fizz with devourer, or cinderhulk fizz?
what do you think she should be in? God tier?
ReplyDeleteDo you even meme, bolt of spades? LOVE YOUUU <3 ^^
ReplyDeleteShe still is pretty looses against most of her matchups... i dont know...
ReplyDeletemaybe low 2
agreed lol I think it should has 6 charges
ReplyDeleteI'm doing Statikk and Infinite, her passive still do tons of dmg, but her late game still isn't the best. Tier 1 would be fair
ReplyDeleteOMG I KNEW IT
ReplyDelete5.09 patch I told noc should be higher than tier 3... I was right :)
when people starts to master him... U are going to see why he's strong :)
ReplyDeleteI don't like Soraka playstyle :(
ReplyDeleteGotta test her again, anyways
She's like Akali... b4 6 is pretty bad but after becomes a monster! If she can go free farm till 6 0/0 the game gets destroyed...
ReplyDeleteCaitlyn late game is DECENT. Not bad. She has THE RANGE.
ReplyDeleteassassins can burst her tanks don't cause of her passive...
ReplyDeleteShe requires tons of mechanics. That's true.
Gabriel nice... that's good suggestion. then it would be even better
ReplyDeleteHecarim was broken. Now he's very great.
ReplyDeleteThose aren't tiny nerfs. I think he is fairly balanced, maybe on the stronger side.
ReplyDeleteWell, TOO BAD Then. I'll focken build Ruby SightStone and wreck you all day every day. It gives more HP and 1 more ward to place. Yes, you can only have 3 wards placed (normal wards, not including pink which is 1 pink ward limited).
ReplyDeleteSo what? you go SWEEPER LENS baby, and then ruby sightstone, so you can sweep and look for wards, destroy them, ya know. And you can have the max of 3 wards always placed. GG WP. 800 gold more only.
And I just checked. normal sightstone is +150 health. RUBY SIGHTSTONE, IS +400 HEALTH! That's a HUGE JUMP! More than double the normal sightstone HitPoints!!! Also, do you think you're inventing new? People always knew that you upgrade to Ruby sightstone in late game/full build. Hhahahaaha.
So let me just laugh at your BS. Also, #YOLO.
R.I.P. Leblanc
ReplyDeleteI never though she was OP... Won lane several times against she. Now she's sporting 44% or less win rate...
Thank god. I HATE HER!!!!!!!!!! She sometimes absolutely #WRECKED me in lane. I got the wrecked status. Seriously... Most dangerous and annoying to play against a pro LeBlanc in lane.
ReplyDeleteMany people begin to gravitate toward the FOTM tier list once they think they know better.
ReplyDeleteAs a champion that specializes in localized small skirmishes, Ekko works very well 1v1, which results in people thinking he's overpowered just because they lost against him in lane or from an insane turnaround play.
Unfortunately for him, this doesn't tend to translate to strong solo queue performance, and his win rate normalizes around 47% even for people with hundreds of games played.
Nah, challenjour players worry about competitive play where kat isn't touched. She is more dangerous in bronze/silver than anywhere
ReplyDeleteHer lack of CC still kills her. Even if she runs at you in lane with W active and lands a Q, she still took a lot of minion damage, most likely, and cant lock down her opponent to finish the kill without a jungler with good CC. I don't know, Shyvana will always just be a good pusher for top lane, in my opinion. Maybe with a slight meta shift, that will change.
ReplyDeleteI don't get why she was placed to Tier 2. Before Luden's, she was higher in SSJ's tier list. She still deals massive AOE damage without it. Her resets are still there, as well as her insane ratio on her ultimate. I have a feeling she'll move back up once SSJ realizes she continues to melt.
ReplyDelete1/ When he was in beta (PBE), he was nerfed before official release:
ReplyDelete+ R heal, base attack speed, attackspeed/lv, AD/lv
2/ 5MS nerf is bigger than ppl think
3/ He's gonna be nerfed AP ratio in next patch
Definitely at low elo. Build full tank after Warrior? No relevance if you can't make Insec plays. Build damage? Get melted.
ReplyDeleteCould you make a report on the importance of runes and masteries? I don't know if a lot of people know the differences they make.
ReplyDeletenothing on Malphite with his tweak to his W?
ReplyDeleteAnything for Jayce after rework
ReplyDeleteThere was jungle tank, jungle damage as well as mid damage, I think they all did decent early to mid game, but the only wins came from tank jungle i believe
ReplyDeleteIs it worth learning how to proxy in unranked/lower elos?
ReplyDeleteSoraka God tier? Really? In my opinion she isn´t similar to janna, because janna has strong disengage in comparison to Soraka. Last week, I played cho'gath mid, soraka was in my team, the enemy team destroyed Soraka in the teamfights.
ReplyDeleteYou shouldn't have let them ''destroy'' her
ReplyDeleteI think SSJ intended it to be read in that Soraka benefits from the Ancient Coin changes in a similar manner to Janna, rather than the two champions being necessarily similar.
ReplyDeleteSoraka's emphasis is on healing rather than defensive CC, though she does have some. Certainly not the peel-queen that Janna is, though.
Both can now comfortably sit in lane without being forced to play aggressively to take advantage of Spellthief's.
"Learning how to proxy" isn't really a phenomenon at all. You can just kind of choose when to proxy.
ReplyDeleteProxying is effective when you know your opponent cannot duel you, you can clear waves of minions quickly, and your opponent's waveclear isn't very good. It also follows the splitpushing logic of trying to draw jungler attention, and knowing how to deal with that when it happens.
It's not good on every champ, it's not worth doing in every game, and it can get you killed if you aren't doing it properly. It is a very useful tool in certain circumstances, but proxying should never be something you go into a game with the intention of doing; only if the match caters to proxying should you consider it.
It's not really effective in low elo games because drawing the jungler's attention doesn't really result in any sort of gain for your team most times; it's very unlikely that your team will react properly and go take a dragon or push up their lanes.
All in all, it can be useful sometimes, but it's not an essential skill when playing top or anything. You're probably best off avoiding proxying unless there are very obvious situations where you should be, or once you've gained enough elo to actually make the strategy worthwhile.
Not a huge change for him. Slightly improved, but it doesn't make a massive difference for Jayce. Mostly just improves his poking ability.
ReplyDeletei completely agree with you, ekko specializes in 1 vs 1 skirmishes generally during laning phase or roams but has a very difficult time transitioning his power to team fights. In team fights ekko needs to be similair to how leblanc is played, stay at the back and try to assasinate the back line until ur forced to ult back. From then on he has to stay back and try to clean up the low targets only. This playstyle is extremely hard for high elo players and more and more so on low elo players. I mean we are seeing ekko played in almost every game in the lcs and he's been getting quite a huge lead in the early game but fails to transition that lead to teamfights and the team ends up losing despite the ekko having a lead. This shows how weak ekko can be in teamfights if not played well and even so he doesnt do a lot in team fights unless synergized with heavy cc. spot on SSJ!!
ReplyDeleteI think he could be moved up to tier 2 as he is on the borderline despite being hard to play but I think he can a rewarding mid laner like Varus
ReplyDeleteI've been away from Sona for a while and been maining Leona more. What exactly caused Sona to be pushed up so high in this list?
ReplyDelete@SSJSuntastic while i completely agree with you about what you said on TF but i have to disagree slightly with his placement. Since this list is catered for bronze - around gold 4 , twisted fate is one of the hardest champions to pull off because he isnt a snowbally champion and neither a lane bully but he's a champion that requires good game awareness and team play follow up in order to be utilized correctly. I mean i have no idea how many times i have seen a TF sit in lane without utilizing his ult during games when i was in low elo and it would just ruin every single purpose of his kit. Also the fact that his W has to be chosen by a player and its not very easy to choose a card of choice, low elo player will probably choose the blue card instead of the gold card and turn a free kill into nothing. Also TF in teamfights isn't very good which requires him to play back and kite or playing the assasin TF which means he has to ult in their enemy team's backline and stun the high priority target, but that requires way too much skill and cooridination from the team which will never ever happen in solo Q. I would honestly put him in tier 3 for this list because he's just way too hard to use in low elo which makes him useless in certain games. If it was for high elo i would definitely put him in tier 1 though. whats ur though?
ReplyDeleteyeah, now its alot easier for me to shunpo to her mid dash as kat :D.
ReplyDeletebut she got nerfed bad too D:
My thoughts on this patch as an ADC main: If you can play Kalista at a high level (like myself) she is the most "freelo" adc you can have.
ReplyDeleteOP also talked about that in his "potential" post.
The main reason why I don't like Ashe, is my ability to carry is far more based on my teams ability to peel for me.
In this meta where; the "league of gap closers" and the "tank meta" had a baby and produced a spawn where Hecarim, Rek sai, Naut, Kalista, and Fizz can be the enemy team, if you are playing Ashe with improper peeling, your ass is grass.
Other Thoughts" Jinx, Sivir, and Vayne also exxxremely strong.
RIP TO ALL THE MALE ADC CHAMPS
I feel like we may have been in the same game :O (btw i was the kat)
ReplyDeleteAnyways was completely agree with her not being tier one, the only problem is I literally just got used to her damage and when I should dive, now its nerfed again D:
Shes a healer, and I tried her a few days ago and let me tell you, her heal is ridiculous. I know from first hand experience that if the team keeps soraka alive, she can keep her team healthy enough to fend off fed enemies.
ReplyDeleteEven if she lost lane :o,
Yay tristana and twitch moved up to tier 2 :)
ReplyDeleteI feel Shen should've been moved up, the buffs were quite substantial.
ReplyDeleteYour reasoning is spot on. Agree 100%.
ReplyDeleteHer scaling is awful as it has always been. Tier 1 is more than fair.
ReplyDeleteA proxying Singed is amazing in low elo... Can completely ruin a game
ReplyDeletePlay a game, follow this build order, bush cheese people like with rengar and you will see. T1 blue supp item>t2>sheen>sightstone>lichbane >ludens>rabs>void staff. Fit in to supp item and boots where you can.
ReplyDeletehttp://gyazo.com/5b4aa1c219dca60b0fd33326b8b1ead0 look at our team composition and the enemy team composition
ReplyDeleteFizz mid is where?
ReplyDeletein my experiences ekko's only good tributes are his ulti which 95% of people use wrong, and his stun, i lost lane to an ekko once, and i have laned against him probably 50 some odd times since his release, i think Diana does the same thing but better, even if she is riskier
ReplyDeleteand i know that Diana shits all over ekko, but i dont think it is the mobility that makes these champions good against ekko, i think any champion that can do more damage than him counters him, which in my experience most champions do more damage than him
why k6 is still in tier 3 mid?, if he is in tier 1 jg
ReplyDeletethe buff was for his isolation range on his q, so that doesn't really affect his midlane as it does his ganking power
ReplyDeletehappened you don't have to believe me
ReplyDeleteJanna is god tier supp. Why isn't she god tier mid?
ReplyDeleteBecause Janna didn't get a buff in her insolation range :V
ReplyDeleteShe didn't need it. Already a god.
ReplyDeleteshh theyre just trying to be the next bbbortic
ReplyDeleteTry Malzahar. He can be a mid and a jungler, he's never been nerfed (actually he was, but it was so long ago I can't even remember), he's pretty strong assuming you know how to position (after all, your ult CCs you, so you have to know when to go all-in), he doesn't have bad match-ups because you can play pretty safe (throw space cancer at something and hug your tower). The problem is the "fun to play" part, he's not fun to play as in Ekko or Leblanc, but he's funny to play in that he's ridiculous.
ReplyDeleteCaitlyn buff, is it good o-o
ReplyDeleteI always play Ahri, never banned. Ate her share of nerfs. And doesn't have any too bad much ups.
ReplyDeleteZed, LB, Talon, Fizz, basically any assassin will dumpster you if the player is good, otheththat her match ups are really good. And OF COURSE SHE IS FUN TO PLAY ;3
Ancient coin buff is pretty op, it provides her with the mobility that she lacks. The 20 movement speed bonus along with mobility boots makes it hard to jump onto her, and then the Talisman active too. If you don't kill the unicorn, she will keep the entire team alive ;3 And her lane phase is a walk in the park, just your heal adc lol, no one can out sustain the purple unicorn.
ReplyDeleteShyvanna has bad match ups o-O, she is so tanky and yet able to pump out so much dmg o-O . The only reason y she isn't as popular as other top laners is because she lacks the powerful CC that Hec brings or the powerful snowball potential that Riven or Irelia possess
ReplyDeleteI still think she sucks.... so easy to dumpster her in lane.. and her dmg is significantly reduced. The continuous nerfs have butchered her, the shunpo and ult nerf and then the base health nerf ontop of that AND then there is the ludens echo:/
ReplyDeleteLowest win% on the rift right now!
ReplyDeleteHave you ever considered Quinn as an option? She fits all of your above criteria.
ReplyDelete1. Can be played successfully mid, as well as top/adc
2. Never banned/never nerfed with a very unlikely chance of being nerfed.
3. Very strong when mastered, can probably net first blood level 2
4. Not many terrible match-ups mid, and can usually out-trade most mid laners.
5. Very fun to play
Quinn is a very versatile champion, and when used correctly, can easily carry Solo Queue games.
Karma comes to mind immediately. She's a functional mid laner, top laner, jungler, and support. She just recently got some huge buffs, and it'll probably be a bit before she's toned down. Mastered, she offers some very strong damage in a single ability (Q), a strong initiation/counter-initiation/disengage tool in her R->E, and a strong single-target root in her W.
ReplyDeleteBecause of her ridiculous damage, Karma tends to win a decent number of matchups. If you play consistently with her, you'll likely carry quite a few of your games. She is also able to be built a variety of ways, so you can pick from a wide variety of items whenever you are playing her.
Cassiopeia?
ReplyDelete1. She works really well top and mid.
2. I don't think she's banned often in ranked, and she definitely isn't played enough to get a nerf any time soon.
3. Her ult works pretty well against melee range champs and in teamfights (ult + flash from fog of war and most people can't react fast enough to turn around). Farming is really easy with her too. Her zoning is decent since her Q has a relatively long range, and if you can poison the enemy, they can't really enter your E range without getting spammed on. She's basically an AP adc with her twin fangs.
4. Its tough out-DPS-ing a Cass in semi-long fights (around the amount of time an ADC needs to kill) and her poke is pretty good if you can get poison on them. Not to mention her passive gives her tons of sustain and damage. Her E also synergizes well with Luden's.
5. She's really fun in my opinion, but I suppose it varies. If you miss all your spells then... I guess it won't be as fun.
Best of luck if you decide to learn her, since her Q does take a little getting used to. And her E uses tons of mana if you aren't careful. RoA and tear might help with that, along with frequently using E to last hit poisoned minions.
Janna has no damage.
ReplyDeleteYou had no tanks... even thought you were mid, you should build some armor and mr, since cassio (i guess) was top, the team already had magic damage. On the other hand, they had a more balanced team. Also Draven and Soraka doesnt go well together.
ReplyDeleteCass has a shit ton of bad matchups
ReplyDeleteDoes she? I haven't run into too much trouble as her...
ReplyDeleteAnnie by far. Easy farm lane, gamechanging ults. Great 1 v 1 potential. BURST BABY!
ReplyDeleteSo with the advent of my first (and hopefully only) 2 week ban. I beseech you guys, the LoL community and family, to help me "reform". Assuming there aren't too many flaws in the system, I am indeed "toxic". What would normally happen is after each chat restrict, I would do my best to only communicate positive things, and normally refrain from any negativity. But one of the main problems that i recognize is I can indeed have a "negative attitude". It's nothing dramatic such as giving up after first blood, feeding in lane, etc. It's normally when there is a point where there are 2+ lanes heavily feeding with no fed carry on our side, and when the other team has vast amounts of kills in comparison to our own (50-17, 45-20. etc.) At the point I will be honest, I will say things such as gg or ff plz and things like that. But I never witch hunt people and just throw blame because all times i could of played better myself. Now I understand it's not good to have that attitude in general, but I'm sorry I have my limits. Why waste what precious time I have when I can start fresh and try again.
ReplyDeleteIn the game that got me banned it happened. Top and mid fed, and we had a trolly botlane (blitz and thresh adc). Whenever I would say gg or plz ff, the blitz would attack me and threatened to report me. I retorted to him that Idc and that I would report him back. I said i would report him for flaming since he kept talking shit and he then retorted he would report me for being homophobic (apparently that flaming has something to do with homosexuals) and that everyone on our team would report me cuz they were a premade. Then he told other team to report me cuz im homophobic.
I disagree with 3 placements in midlane, but i can understand why they were put there:
ReplyDelete1. Veigar, tier 3 mid
After the rework i felt pity for the handfull of players who actually practiced this champ. I've never played him before so i tried him, his numbers seemed fine.
First expression: worst midlane earlygame together with kog maw. Clunky as hell, casttimes, a meteor that never lands, squishy as hell, 525 aa range.
But then i realized that i could let my enemys feel the same way. In my opinion veigar is not so much about burst, many champs can do that. He has the only real anti-mobility-ability in the game. With 40 cdr its CD is 8 seconds, the walls have an uptime of 3 sec. Honestly i miss more than 50% of my cages on singletargets BUT the opponent will stay inside to get collapsed on by my team.
There are other benefits veigar has, the ability to 100-0, the AP stacking, an insane syergy with deathcap but i really think the cage is still what makes him viable.
Tier 3 is so low, his winrate is fine, why not move him up a tiny little bit? (See what i did there? No? Well you didnt miss out on something, believe me...)
2. Galio, tier 2 mid
Another clunky candidate. Really, where is the flow in his abilitys? You neednt feel smooth when you have the numbers to back up your weird kit.
Q basedamage is over the top, w resistances are insane for a basic ability e's basedamage is normal, ult can be gamechanging. Usually wins against AP matchups or comps. AP scaling is fine, only 190% offensive (soon + 20% ap) but in an aoe and around 140% abilitypower on his heal. Shield your carry mid to lategame and profit (up to 90 armor and mr). This champ doesnt really have synergy with itself but as i said before: Who needs a functional kit when his numbers are high enough?
Tier 1 is not too high for the gargoyle. Manaproblems early but afterwards he is good to go ( and he wins. often.)
3. Bird, middle of tier 1 mid
I pondered long over Swain. I am a little unsure but i believe he deserves an even higher spot. I think there was a time when swains earlygame was weak. Now from the moment you enter the lane your opponent should change to a defensive stance. There is a strength Swain shares with Annie: Their damage is safe. There is his nevermove (the snare) but should you hit you are rewarded with a 2 secondsnare at rank 1. The elotyrant's midgame isnt funny anymore but he doesnt really fall of because of his scalings. 90% 70% 80%. Well and there is the build in DFG so those ratios (with good basedamages) become even larger. And this doesnt factor in his ult. Swains cooldowns are long but he has one of the highest sustained (hahaha) damageoutputs in the game because of his ultimate. Well and of course, he regenerates like crazy. Not easy to burst because if zhonyas. Should you not have a longrangemage in your rows, Swain is not easy to beat. And there is a reason the word ,,swaintrain'' was born: Through his targeted abilitys and the defensive scaling through AP he snowballs out of control.
Well that's it, would be nice to see feedback. I would really like to see arguments why i am wrong or maybe people agr
Turn on your sarcasm detector. Was using this to make a point. Champs don't necessarily translate across lanes
ReplyDeleteHm... You say you are competitive but you flame. That's like saying you love to run and burrow an axe into your knee afterwards. Flaming wont win games, easy as that.
ReplyDeleteMost of us play to win. Not solely, but this is a large portion of motivation, it's human nature. Everything that stands in the way of this goal is a potential annoyance. So are your feeding teammates. Here is the ugly truth: You cant influence their play in a positive way with harsh words. From your posts i can see that you already know that
So, is there another reason to flame them? Yes i guess so. To ,,punish'' them because they stand between you and your luck. Well, i admit that you have the power to make them feel miserable for the next 30 minutes but you stated that you are a pridefull person so it should be under your dignity to harass people who didnt show direct aggression towards your person. If you do this because of that reason, you get no sympathy from me.
And there is the frustrationpart. Writing ,,GG'' or ,,i'm done'' or ,,its over'' all of those quotes are expressions of weakness. You can wallowing in self-pity but do it for yourself. Keep it by yourself, there is no reason why i should spectate your mental downfall, it's not funny. You disturb your mates by doing so.
In fact there is no reason to use the chat when you're not doing calls or express your happyness/admiration of a play (in short: wp).
Why is that so? Because everyone is anonymous in this game. Even better: if you wait a short amount of time before you q again you will most likely never meet them again (if you dont send a friendrequest). You neednt prove anything to them because every form of interaction will only manifest in form of one lpgain or loss. You wont get or lose anything else by typing discouraging things.
You say you cant help it. If thats really true you shouldnt play at all. You are nothing but a beast if you cant control yourself to this little extend. I wouldnt want to play with someone like that and i am glad you consider to stop midway on the road to challenjour.
In the end it's not about this wall of text. Its always about you. You and the chatwindow. There is not a single justified reason to use the chatbox in a negative way.
It's not a coincidence that i have high losingstreaks sometimes. I can pretend to be cool as much as i want ingame, in reality i am on tilt. If you feel this, you shouldnt force the next game, just take a break.
You asked, you got an answer. Hope you can truly enjoy the game again, wherever you might be ^^.
I think you deserve what you got. Learn to control yourself, start muting everyone st the start and learn the art of pingmunication. From what you said muting everyone off the go will let your teammates live happier lives and keep you unbanned. Win win
ReplyDeletei don't even need to argue, ill let invertedcomposer do the job for me
ReplyDeleteSightstone has 4 ward charges and you can place 3 wards at a time. has 5 ward charges and with ruby you
can still only place 3 wards at a time.
You are paying 800 gold from sightstone to get additional 250 HP and an extra
ward charge.
Since 250 HP is worth 667g when compared to ruby gem, you are essentially paying 133g for 1
extra ward charge.
Now ask yourself if you ever use all 5 charges before you recall to
recharge it. If you do, you only save 75g extra gold.
This means you have to use up all 5 charges at least
twice, only to break even
with sightstone.
Moreover, instead of upgrading sightstone, 800 gold can be invested in other
items that can surpass the usefulness of extra 250 HP ruby sightstone gives.
Therefore, sightstone should never be upgraded to ruby sightstone
Quinn mid is a lot of fun. I rarely play mid bit I love the fact that if I don't have a kill by 6 I can just ult to a la e that is pushed for the easy kill.
ReplyDeletehere is my advice.
ReplyDeletemute chat and never talk, ping as little as possible.
it works for me.
well, i suddenly hate malphite.
ReplyDeletean ally malphite flashed into me while she was ulting and i was on low health.
meanwhile, in the same day, an enemy malphite helped an ori penta us
what is my damn luck?
I think he is fun. I love giving people "space aids" and letting voidlings chase them around. He can also be played top but you have to be a little more careful who you pick into. I like him against fiora types. Spawn voidling, give fiora aids, watch her die and or panic.
ReplyDeleteAzir might be too hard for you (no shame in that, I am a jungle main and avoid playing lee). I would look at annie, swain, malz, Cho and vlad. It seems like you want a perfect champ and sadly you won't find one but if you main one of those you should be able to win a lot of games. I hope you like one!
ReplyDeletewhen there is a character more flash dependent than annie, it is galio.
ReplyDeletei think his main problems would be ad mids and difficulty to land a game changing ult.
you have to get into their team but you have to get the ones with cc, or you just get interrupted.
and you have to get in their faces without getting blown up first.
yes while ad assasins are going down, it is still there, which is a huge help to veigar.
but ekko still exist, so dreams crushed, but hey, at least you can lose knowing it is an op champion.
ad malzahar not fun to play?
ReplyDeletewhat?
ekko and lb are boring, way too much burst and mobility and suvivability
i think his question would be when and how to do it without dying and efficiently.
ReplyDeleteand believe me, drawing jungle attention is huge in low elo, at least you can now blame your team being absolutely bad.
Team comp, kalista, sona, galio, eve, and malph. Kalista switches link to galio after lane. So much engage so much aoe lockdown. So much sex
ReplyDeletespecific team comps won't happen in solo queue, that is the problem.
ReplyDeleteI know... galio is viable though if you duo with a kalista main, or if the enemy team is ap heavy
ReplyDeleteto all you galio lovers
ReplyDeletehe is getting buffed and a visual update.
so is jax getting buffed
and trundle?
ok.
looks like a good patch for me
look at my newest comment, youll love it
ReplyDeletedoesn't gg stand for good game?
ReplyDeletenot good enough for tank junglers.
ReplyDeleteevery tank stat counts
;)
ReplyDeleteYeah. I saw this. I rarely play galio but I like that he brings a different style to mid
ReplyDeleteI thought so too... But while it is difficult for galio to engage, this isnt his job as a midlaner. And you cant engage a team with a galio. Those galiogames are so weird.. . and keep in mind that his abilitys are overtuned, they just dont work together.
ReplyDeleteFor veigar: yes ekko destroys him. champs with targeted burstcombos are dangerous for him because he cant trade well in the early stages of the game. If you deny him he wont hyperscale a usual problem of scaling champs.
It's this brickwall playstyle cho gath uses to win. I've never met a player who plays this champ on a regular basis ^^.
ReplyDeleteShe just doesn't have any mobility or hard cc except for her ult. Any high mobility assassin like akali or talon can destroy her once they hit six if she misses her ult.
ReplyDeletethe new jaycee is definitely not tier 2, not even close! it should be tier 1 or even god tier, the buffs they have done to him are through the roof! before the 5.11 patch i owned jaycee with wukong everyday anytime. Now i just got hammered by him, and no it is not because i'm a bad wukong.
ReplyDeletelol i got chat restricted because i won a game and enemy team premade raged and reported me and now i'm scared of what can happen after those games,i hared people getting a 1000 games chat restricted after a notmal streak .-.
ReplyDeletei think he meant the "GG" wrote after someone fails like:
ReplyDeletemaster yi get caught and die..."lol GG master"
you should keep in mind that jayce requires skill,not huge but a fair bit and in low elo where you want to smash your face on the keyboard and win he isn't really the most appropriate pick but i agree on a slight move up since he's better now.
ReplyDeleteMid lane he's hard to pull off,way less chances to go melee,the nature of the lane makes harder to hit e+q combo and if you are versus a cho or annie is not really your best day so tier 2 or 3 is reasonable.
Top lane is actually better,you got a lot more kill pressure and you can abuse the 500 range on cannon form aswell as hit much more e+q thanks to the bushes and the lane being curve but the problem is that jayce is forced to go full ad and in this meta a squishy top laner is the last thing you want and if tanks bodyblock your e+q combo you're useless.
Another thing to keep in note is that he isn't irelia who can play safe forever and then rush trinity and wreck everything,he needs an active early game in order to snowball because going mid game without a lead hurts him
are there any galio lover? Where?
ReplyDeletenasus and sion and thresh don't fall off while denied 20 mins?
ReplyDeleteeven with really bad early, if you don't get 500 at 30 mins on nasus...
sion's stacking is kinda an extra, not really all that useful.
thresh is so easy to stack with, you probably forgot the stacking even existed.
notice how only veigar builds squishy, and has no type of surviving steroids like shields, big a$$ slows(remember thresh ulti?) or lifesteal.
that is why i consider him the worst of all stackers.
he works, just takes too long to ramp up, you don't have any ways of getting back into the game, unlike his tanky counterparts.
then again, soloqueue
if he gets to late game and you have no ways to kill him within 3 seconds, prepare to lose.
he's a pubstomper and the only way to counter him is to go full ap and don't group,wait in low elo there are kids who scream "group" in chat...nevermind
ReplyDeletereported for no communication
ReplyDeleteI said to ping. That counts if you do it regularly
ReplyDeleteSSJ, can you explain why Noc is now Tier 1?
ReplyDeleteFor me, 3 options :
ReplyDelete- Annie : one of the best Mid laner right now and a decent Support (if mid, just insure to get LB and Zed banned).
- Cho : a solid choice for both Top and Mid lane who has basically no counter (the perfect pick if you are 1st in pick order and wanna Top or Mid).
- Wukong : one of the best Top laner right now (but has counters) and a decent Jungler. Moreover, he is a stomper on Mid vs matchups like Zed, Ori, Talon or Brand.
Completely agree with the peeling comment that's why I think both Corki and Tristana are too low in the list and deserve Tier 1. They are the answer to all the peeling and positionning problems that you always find in soloQ.
ReplyDeleteTo clarify sir, since you obviously didn't understand, I don't "flame". I don't randomly attack people for their bad play. I said that I "give up" when pretty much the whole team is doing bad. I never truly give up but only in the most extreme cases. I may not have made my message clear enough. I am not one of those mega toxic people that just talk shit online and try to demean people like a bully. I never say "kill yourself" or "uninstall".
ReplyDeleteMy point was I have a tendency to retaliate when I am attacked verbally. Instead of ignoring like I knowingly should, it becomes an argument with "flaming" involved. But i don't really consider that flaming since its just 2 morons arguing. I consider flaming when you jump on people for giving up first blood or criticizing mistakes harshly. I do not go out of my way to ruin's someones day.
Also, most of my games are normals, ranks bring out too much frustration for me. I very rarely play ranks because they bring out the toxic out of me. Those are the games that may end up with arguments and actual flaming (not an excuse cuz still not acceptable but i would only flame in those b/c those were the only games that mattered. they also weren't onesided, wasn't just me being a dick, but everyone involved throwing jabs and blame) But I haven't flamed in a ranked in a while. Not worth the stress......
And the signs of weakness thing.....its kind of a team game. Of course Im weak or I wouldn't fucking be silver lol. Those are me saying I gave up on the team. Which when your down 20-30+ kills i dont think it matters. Giving up does not necessarily equal weakness, though in many ways it does. I say gg when we get aced 3 times in a row. I'm sorry I don't wanna waste another 10-15 minutes on a loss.
But I do agree with your point, no reason to say something if its not positive. But I will tell you again, just in case you miss it like you did in my last post. I do not seek conflict. I do not look to pick fights b/c Im a douchebag. I am just passive aggressive and very defensive. Poke me I poke back harder (if in reason). I understand that there is no reason to respond to that. You seen that too because you pointed it out. So why tell me something I already know??............
I did not ask to know something I already knew. I asked how to improve.
Also, regarding the tilt. I only tilt for ranked games because those are the only games I REALLY care about winning (i know the key to climbing is to not care but i cant help it lol). I don't tilt going into a normal because I usually dont care win or lose as long as I improved somewhat. I can tilt in the middle of a game but never before. I also somewhat tilt when I don't get the right masteries/runepages but thats a different story.
To sum it all up. My points about being prideful and defensive is that I retaliate with the toxicity with more toxicitiy which makes me just as bad. My mindset is that I am always the best (even though I know im not). So I don't take too kindly when the people criticize me harshly or not in the right manner. I don't start teh forest fire, I just shoot smokey the bear so it doesn't go out.
Though I do appreciate the reply, I do not appreciate the negativity, I was seeking positive reinforcement. I could of got more negative if I wanted it from reddit. Also, your post just proves my ways lol. You post negatively to me and I post back semi-negatively.
Wells thanks I guess but you really didn't do anything for me.
Thank you for understanding......people take shit so literal lol
ReplyDeletei think its time to move corki to tier 1. he pretty much can beat everyone in lane if he plays a good lane phase. His damage to tanks is also very good because of his mixed damage. he only really falls off if he gets behind or the enemy tank has like 6 items. in that case pretty much every adc is screwed. alot of good adc players still play him and win alot of games with him. super underated imo
ReplyDeletei think its great. if she does well in lane she stays ahead because of the passive change. basically theres no coming back after she beats u.
ReplyDeleteThats the problem you notice.... kalista can only bond once, you cannot "change the link"
ReplyDeleteThrough the past year or so, one thing has remained constant...
ReplyDeleteJinx is always God Tier. (more or less)
Thank you for the consistency Riot, I appreciate it.
Sincerely,
A Jinx Player
Seriously though, it's funny how through all of the buffs / nerfs to champions and items, Jinx has remained the most consistent ADC in the game. She fits one specific archetype better than any champion and those who use her for her intended purpose have benefited greatly from this.
Opinions on Elise jungle? Ive played 4 games and carried HARD on 3 of those. i know 4 games isnt much but i see a lot of potential in her
ReplyDeleteI agree with disisdeathwing. If anyone says anything, mute so that you dont fall in the trap of continuing the argument. If you feel like saying something, stop and think "Is this worth getting chat restricted for?" If it is, say it. If its not, dont! But, even if you mute NEVER forget to ping.
ReplyDeleteHue hue hue I hate lee and i like jungling a lot
ReplyDeleteNOOO RIP Fiddlesticks we will love you forever 2010-2015 Runeglaive i hate you
ReplyDeleteI was talking about champions with massive scaling like jax, tristana or karthus, not stacking champions. See, i know that veigar is not worthy of tier 1 status- i just think that many picks in tier 3 are worse and often not intended to be played in that role. That said: Thanks! The insight is always good to have, that's the reason why i visit this site in the first place.
ReplyDeleteWhat a waste of time to reply to my post with so many words... then again you have justice on your side.
ReplyDeleteSee, i study human behavior. And it makes me angry to see what people (of course including me) can do to each other because they cant overcome their weaknesses. As you said before, pride is your weakness, mine is arrogance. Ironically they are pretty close to each other.
You are right when you mark my post as a standardization of the toxicityproblem in general. However, we both should read each others written text again. I didnt insult you at all. Maybe you interpreted the ,,you'' often as ,,you there'' instead of ,,one''. I am not a native speaker, its pretty obvious i guess.
Now it gets personal:
You asked for advise... You give your teammates too much credit, i expect more from a truly pridefull person. Those who flame you are pitfull creatures, they really arent worth the motions of your fingers sliding over the keyboard. These individuals wont influence your life at all.
You say you know your problem and i gave you the obvious solution for it. If you still get provoked to get forced out of your comfort zone, this has nothing to do with pride. That's stupidity then. Someone above said there are times when it's worth it to shoot back. I agree with that. But that's everyone's own beer.
The frustrationpart: Dont you want to get frustrated or do you want to know how to react when you feel that you are going to be/are already? Well, again, there are a few reasons why you should let your teammates feel that if they refuse to communicate:
1) you want them to comfort you. I dont think thats the case and this would be ridiculous considering what i said before.
2) you want to discourage them to make them surrender. Well if someone has fun in a losing game, then his fun stands against your lack of fun. From a moral perspective it wouldnt be wise to spoil his fun just to close the game, but hey who am i to tell you what to do
3) annoy your teammates. Pretty self-explanatory. You dont like your teammates for losing the game or just want to vent becuase you are frustrated and want someone to know that you are.
As you already know none of those behaviors are acceptable. Only way to counter this is to not write anything at all. Everyone gets frustrated, you cant do much against that so your only way to circumvent getting another ban is just writing nothing into the chatwindow, except you really want to do something from point 1-3.
To solve the problem: Like everyone else said just mute everyone and play your game. The other way is to change your perspective regarding your teammates. For me, my mates in league of legends are players who play the game and want to have fun and win the game. They cant harm me and i cant harm them. If they show a massive amount of toxicity i report them and move along. I cant do more, so i try to not write anything negative because this cuts my chances of winning the game. Another thing: As long as you are writing you cant push waves or eventually be at the right place at the right time.
tl;dr: You know where your problem lies. Either you mute people or dont give them too much credit and use your brain to think twice. In the end it's only about you and your strength to endure. I hope i could help you (if you dont believe me look at the 2 wall of texts), i am sorry that this doesnt include words like ,,i feel you'' or ,,you had bad luck that you got those toxic teammates who forced you''. Maybe you would consider this more helpfull. But hey: humans usually get advise from humans. The lunatic teaches the freak. Have fun in your games mate! ^^
Can someone explain to me the Elise nerfs on the PBE (are they buffs or nerfs?). Also, sorry for posting thrice in a row
ReplyDeleteI don't think Fiddle needs a jungle item. You'll either use Runeglaive for the mana sustain or just buy Morellonomicon instead (same stats as Magus with Mana regen).
ReplyDeleteShe's getting some love on the PBE, she'll hopefully be at least decently good.
ReplyDeleteHe should still move up to Tier 2 mid imo.
ReplyDeletethey are buffs from the look of things, it basically means that your very early clears will be safer but slower from the look of it, but with the addition of ruinglaive her clears will probably be faster than ever, i don't think it will even be enough to make her viable in solo q, but it is a shove in the right direction
ReplyDeleteidk if ssj can but i can, i have yet to do bad in a game with this badboy, he is super fun, but fun doesn't make a good champion so i suppose i will give tell you his pro's con's and then how he measures up to other junglers with similar styles
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Spell sheild (obvious reasons why this is good)
Decent early ganks
his ultimate is sooooo useful just for the passive part, and he has a huge ass gap closer
his sticking power is ridiculous
he has a hard cc even though it takes 2 seconds to kick in
one of the best clears in the game (currently raked 4th for team jg cs according to champion.gg)
super flexible buildpaths
built in sustain
great splitpusher
amazing 1v1
he has other good points but i think you get the idea
cons:
super squishy early
no real escapes
long CD on ulti
only cc needs a 2 second tether
does suffer somewhat in teamfight, unless you are ahead, or good with him
when behind it is hard to catch up
he can take some getting used to (idk maybe its just me but i found his spellsheild much trickier than sivirs to time properly and other quirks he has made him tricky for me to pick up)
obviously there are probably some i missed but you get the idea
in comparison to other junglers he is somewhat lacking in cc,but he makes up for that in utility with his ultimate and his crazy damage potential, i think that he remains strong even though crazy tanks are about as he has his spellsheild to block cc and his kit works really well with a cleaver and a botrk, also a mistake people make is not getting blue trinket at level 6, after all the range on that vision synergies sooooooooo well with his ultimate (fog of war is no longer a hinderance), plus like i said he has a flexible build path so if your team needs a tank, you can do it, if you build full AD you probably can do as much damage as you ADC if not more (full AD is better regardless of what people tell you, though if you are behind building tank is ok)
idk i am biased towards him and only gameplay experience can tell you if he is good or not
there is one right here, and the buffs are making me very happy haha
ReplyDeletePretty much this and Wukong being God tier in something as well.
ReplyDeleteAlso her archetype is really powerful, a reset orientated adc who can murder towers is one of the most powerful roles any adc can have, not only that she's got long range and cc.
If Riot ever really wanted to nerf her they would need to attack her rockets, either by range decrease or increasing mana per shot
There is a problem with this buildpath. It's quite simple: as fiddle you usually go chilling smite into zhonyas. Afterwards one takes magus. Why? You get 80ap and 20cdr for 1400 gold. For morellos i pay 2300. So you mean i have to make 3 kills more (not assists) until midgame every single game to be even. I could have a blastingwand extra for that.
ReplyDeleteI mained fiddle and it is a nerf. Runeglaive seems strong, just not for fiddle. You shouldnt weave autoattacks inbetween drains because of your aa range, att.sp and the massive damage of 1 sec . draintime you'd lose.
Fiddle will still be viable, with runeglaive he loses around 3 kills in stats, for the spellbladeproc and manasustain. He cant use this well but he will be fine.
She's only low because skill cap. She actually requires a lot of knowledge for one to be good, at least when the enemy team actually knows what she does.
ReplyDeleteFiddle's have been dodging jungle items since the dawn of fiddle, I doubt this will affect him too much, he may lose a % or two in win rate but honestly it won't change fiddle massively, I mean he worked 4 seasons without chilling smite, I think he can avoid it for one more season
ReplyDeleteEvery fiddleplayer has to buy the jungleitem because riot forced them to do so. I always started amptome until they nerfed sustainjunglers in season 5 by putting the +15/+30 gold on the machete. You cant dodge the macheteupgrade and noone does it. Machete doesnt offer combatstats so you have to upgrade it very soon. So its a nerf.
ReplyDeleteBut he is strong enough to take the hit in my opinion.
AHhahahaa just even more bufffing to Trundel? NNNNICCCCE
ReplyDeleteHhahahaha :). And wasn't there one here in the Comment sections... Bolt of Spades or something???
ReplyDeleteIf you're going to fully master someone...
ReplyDeleteVel'Koz. His damage is off the charts, and your only real trouble would be Fizz. Or anyone who will dodge your skillshots. However, taken into account that you've mastered him, you know how to make your abilities count. He offers and overhead and MASSIVE AoE from a very far range.
Malzahar is another good one, because he shreds through tanks and squishies alike, and has the perfect counter to any Assassin who hasn't been fed. Suppression. His only real counters that frequent mid are Syndra and Lux, which shouldn't be too much of a problem for you because Syndra has a low pick rate and you can dodge Lux's burst. Malzahar has great AoE damage, mana sustain, and a silence and a supression.
Mid lane is 80% play, though. You can play anyone midlane for most matchups. And as long as you know how to dodge their moves, you'll be fine.
A regard about Annie, she's banned quite frequently in low ELO.
PS) Don't be afraid of LeBlanc. She's really easy to stop now.
Do you think Aatrox's recent buffs will make him anymore viable?
ReplyDeletemove up jayce,recently buffs makes him come up in ranks
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