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Mar 23, 2014

2014 Champion Tier List - Solo Queue - Patch 4.4 Update

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SEASON 4 - PATCH 4.4 SOLO QUEUE TIER LIST
SEASON 4 UPDATE

Preface Chatter
Patch 4.4 introduced a slew of changes, hitting some popular champions with like Kassadin with massive nerfs and some unpopular ones like Heimerdinger with substantial buffs. There's been plenty of movement, but definitely more to come as the effects of the patch become more apparent. Check out the updated list below!

Patch 4.4 Summary
Buffs: Diana, Ezreal, Fizz, Heimerdinger, Kog'Maw, Nautilus, Skarner, Tristana, Twisted Fate
Nerfs: Elise, Kassadin, Sivir, Thresh, Vi
Tweaks: Annie
Updates: 
  • 4/1: AP Trist Mid moved to Tier 3, Evelynn Mid removed, Jayce mid moved to Tier 2, 
  • 3/27: Moved Kha back up to God Tier, Corki moved down to Tier 2, Ahri moved up a bit, Top Raka moved to Tier 1, Nasus moved down a bit,
  • 3/23: Moved Kass back up to Tier 2. That was fast wasn't it? I think his new skillset is taking some getting used to, but he's still pretty strong and his old bot gank strategies still work really well.
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    The Tier List

    God Tier [Very Strong]: 
    Mid-Lane Gods: Lulu (AP), Ziggs, Kayle,
    Jungle Gods: WukongAmumu, Kha'Zix, Vi
    AD GodsJinx, Draven, Sivir, Lucian
    Top Lane Gods: Wukong, Renekton, Nasus, Jax
    Support Gods: Leona, Thresh, Morgana

    Tier 1 [Really Strong]:
    Mid-Lane: Katarina, Talon, Swain, Akali, HeimerdingerGragas, Kha'Zix, Orianna, Leblanc, Yasuo, Lux, Morgana, Galio, Malzahar, Ahri, Brand, Nidalee, Syndra, Pantheon, Diana, Fizz, Wukong
    Jungle: Fiddlesticks, Pantheon, Volibear, Rammus, Elise,  Jarvan IV, Udyr, Lee Sin, Sejuani, Aatrox, Nocturne, Hecarim, Dr. Mundo,
    AD Carry: Caitlyn, Varus, Tristana, Ezreal, Graves
    Top LaneFioraKayle, Shyvana, Dr. Mundo, Singed, Tryndamere, Warwick, Soraka, Yasuo, Darius, Teemo, Olaf, Rengar, Aatrox, Yorick, Kennen, Jarvan IV, Elise, Malphite, Lee Sin, Udyr, Volibear, Karma, Nidalee
    Support: Sona, Annie, Taric, Zyra, Lulu, Janna, Blitzcrank

    Tier 2 [Balanced]:
    Mid-Lane: Viktor, Cassiopeia, Annie, Anivia, Kassadin, Kennen, Mordekaiser, Zed, Vladimir, Vel'KozXerath, Zyra, Teemo, Elise, Lissandra, Sion, Ryze, Jayce, Karma
    Jungle: EvelynnShaco, Xin Zhao, Skarner, Nautilus, Olaf, Zac, Maokai, Nasus, Warwick, Shyvana, Rengar, Leona, Trundle, Malphite, Gragas, Diana, Zed
    AD Carry: Ashe, Corki, Twitch, Kog'Maw, Vayne, Miss Fortune, Quinn
    Top Lane: Rumble, Cho'gath, Zac, Riven, Pantheon, Ryze, Viktor, Shen, Poppy, Akali, Quinn, Vi, Swain, Kha'Zix, Vladimir, Trundle, Garen, Jayce, Lissandra, Zed
    Support: Nami, Fiddlesticks, Karma, Alistar, Soraka

    Tier 3 [Needs Higher Skill/Knowledge Than Usual]:
    Mid-Lane: Karthus, Veigar, Riven, Twisted Fate,  Tristana, Cho'Gath, Fiddlesticks, Soraka
    Jungle: Nunu, Jax, Cho'Gath, Shen, Malzahar, Yasuo, Fiora, Master Yi, Riven, Kayle, Poppy, Darius,
    AD Carry: Twisted Fate, Kennen, Urgot
    Top Lane: Irelia, Gangplank, Mordekaiser, Xin Zhao, Sion, Vayne, Master Yi, Talon, Nunu, Galio
    Support: Teemo, Nunu, Volibear, Lux, Nautilus, Orianna, Nidalee, Zilean, Gangplank, Shen

    Tier 4 [Difficult to Win]:
    Mid-Lane: Kog'maw, Zilean, Janna, Ezreal (AP),
    Jungle: Tryndamere, Gangplank, Blitzcrank, Alistar
    AD Carry:
    Top Lane: Urgot
    Support: Kayle, Malphite, Poppy, Elise, Galio, Maokai, Yorick, Lissandra, Ashe, Leblanc, Caitlyn

    • Champions in BOLD I will talk about shortly
    • Champions UNDERLINED may be over/undervalued, but aren't/haven't played enough for me to make a better judgement.
    • Within each tier the champions are strongest from left to right, but within a tier each champion's strength is relatively close. This is especially true for Tiers 2 and 3 where these champions are ALL highly playable and player dependent on how strong they are in-game.

    Champion Explanations
    • Elise [Tier 1 Jungle] - The nerfs on Elise hit her pretty hard, and although she's still decent, a lot of the things she used to be able to pull off are no longer possible. As such, we'll likely see a period where her win rate drops drastically as people get more accustomed to what she can and cannot do.
    • Evelynn [Tier 2 Jungle] - Tanky Evelynn jungle is actually pretty decent, and still does a sizable amount of damage. Glass cannon Evelynn is still weaker.
    • Fiora [Tier 1 Top] - With nerfs to a lot of popular top lane champions as well as an overall move away from ASPD reducing champions in the game, Fiora finds herself in a lot of favorable match-ups lately.
    • Galio [Tier 1 Mid] - With Udyr dropped back down to one of the lowest jungling pick rates, and a lot of the popular AD mids nerfed out of the position, Galio's sneaking his way back up as a great counter and amazing AOE initiator. His speed boosts also synergize with a lot of team comps in the current meta.
    • Heimerdinger [Tier 1 Mid] - I think his current win rates are a bit skewed at the moment, but he's definitely stronger. I don't think he's quite God Tier at the moment and he could also be a bit lower than what I've currently placed him at, but a 58% win rate certainly deserves a second look and his damage output is certainly much higher than expected if support Heimer is any indication.
    • Kassadin [Tier 2 Mid Lane] - The changes to Kassadin were certainly a nerf, and he's definitely much weaker as a result dropping him to a paltry 43.8% win rate. I don't think he's ban-worthy anymore, but once champions get nerfed and the cycle turns around again I'm sure he'll come back some day.
    • Lulu [God Tier Mid] - Absolutely broken still, but nerfs are already in progress.
    • Morgana [God Tier Support] - Morgana support requires you to have an AD carry with stronger mechanics than usual, which means that in solo queue it tends to have less of an impact at lower ranks. However, I think that her black shield utility is certainly nothing to scoff at, and even if your AD carry isn't the star of the show, as long as one snowball type champion (think Katarina or Akali) is fed enough, a single black shield could be the difference between winning and losing.
    • Nautilus [Tier 2 Jungle] - Nautilus doesn't benefit as much from the spirit stones in jungle as much as other carry type junglers at the moment. I might be a little biased since I'm a big fan of the CC in his kit, but I can admit a mistake and even though he received some buffs, I think he's only at the balanced level in the current meta.
    • Pantheon [Tier 1 Jungle] - The spirit stone changes are definitely very strong on him, and give him a tremendous amount of damage and snowball potential. However, as a FOTM champion you'll always get a large influx of people who want to play him but don't really know how. His potential is definitely there though.
    • Shaco [Tier 2 Jungle] - Shaco's slowly sneaking his way back up as other junglers get nerfed one by one and Doran shield nerfs make laners easier to gank and burst down early. 
    • Twitch [Tier 2 AD Carry] - Twitch's lack of escape makes him slightly weak, and although his damage is high, with a 50% win rate and low utility I'd say he's more balanced in the current meta.
    • Yasuo [Tier 1 Mid] - Yasuo's snowball potential is insanely high, and his late game comeback potential is insane as well. However, his recent nerfs in the last few patches have definitely put a damper on his strength. Although we'll always have those images of the last Yasuo 1v5 pentakill fresh in our minds, I think he's not terribly overwhelming anymore.
    • Zac [Tier 2 Jungle] - Zac's been quite underplayed recently, and rightfully so. As a support type jungler I think he also suffers from the spirit stone changes, and falls more in the Tier 2 balanced category.
    Disclaimer:
    • The purpose of this list is for discussion and to provide a starting point for hero selection.
    Agree? Disagree? Comment below!





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    515 comments:

    1. SquirrelNutkinsMarch 23, 2014

      Freakin love these tier lists

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    2. SSJSuntasticMarch 23, 2014

      Thanks, glad to know some people appreciate them! :)

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    3. ScarfedGaryBuseyMarch 23, 2014

      So wait let me get this straight about fiora and why I think she needs to be drastically lower, lets see a few reasons. Shes auto attack reliant, 0 escapes, no CC at all, with the way junglers start they end up top side and without any escapes shes a super easy gank. Considering early levels shes super aggressive and shoves waves getting first blood is something so easy it's not funny. Then even if you dont get a kill and hit level 6 by that time every other top laner can 1v1 her so easily after that. And once she doesnt do anything all she will become is a minion with a lot of exp. Not to mention shes super easy to run her mana dry if they build any sustain and the best top laners destroy her so badly during the time shes supposed to be "good" (which is like levels 1-5?) the best thing that happens is she beat top lane. One last thing, with the meta of top lane being tanks shes a giant monkey wrench when it comes to a cohesive team putting a restriction on the support and jungler to build full on tank. Just my 2 cents on this pile of trash known as fiora.

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    4. How do you explain the god tier amumu in the jungle when he is never picked up by pro's?
      I love your tier lists btw :)

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    5. Freakin nerf ziggs pls, i really wish that rat nerfed just like kassadin's

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    6. Henry YoungMarch 23, 2014

      well, i do agree with ur points. But, her W passive and that block does change 1v1 situation a lot. Also, if, she gets fed somehow, she will be a beast.

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    7. SSJSuntasticMarch 23, 2014

      He's just really good in solo queue, easy to jungle, and lets the player concentrate on more important things. He also does a shit ton of damage. In pro plays he's counterjungled a lot harder.

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    8. Hey man, Kha isnt God tier in jungle?

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    9. SSJSuntasticMarch 23, 2014

      He was nerfed a few times, I think he's reasonable now.

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    10. Okay, but the last changes on him was for me a buff, that's why i ask

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    11. kabage guyMarch 23, 2014

      Why is Ap Ez so low?

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    12. wukong onlyMarch 23, 2014

      why isn't wukong mid in god tier? its better than wu top and jungle, and the best ad mid laner by far

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    13. Edward PradoMarch 24, 2014

      This Tier List needs to be in God Tier

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    14. I really believe that Gragas is still THE best champion in the game. If not, he is certainly still god tier. He only received a minor nerf to his damage and he still has his crazy mobility and sustain. Also, why do you consider Kayle a god tier mid laner? I think she is Tier 1 but not God tier. Her W got a hefty buff but it is still on a high cooldown. As with the intervention mana cost removal, that was never really a problem anyways if you were managing your mana correctly.

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    15. haushauidas .March 24, 2014

      For how many months Kass stayed in God tier?

      Also, I think Gragas still God tier

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    16. Dagannoth RexMarch 24, 2014

      Someone have an opinion on Malphite?

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    17. I would like it if you had an archive of all the old tier lists, because all of your old descriptions on rising and falling champions, and why they are/were strong at the time. That would be nice, thank you.

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    18. Josh MoradiMarch 24, 2014

      He lost damage on his Q and E, but got an extra second on invisibility. That doesn't buff Kha'Zix at all.

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    19. Josh MoradiMarch 24, 2014

      He has amazing late game due to his ridiculous ult and his bonus armor from his W is fantastic as well. The thing is though, that's all he offers. At least with champions like Shyvana and Mundo, they offer some % damage that allows them to build 6 defensive items and still do damage, but Malphite doesn't do any real damage, even if he builds damage items. I played Malphite pretty much all of season three when I was top lane, and I can see how his kit may seem very attractive at first, but the thing is, if he misses his ult or initiates poorly, things can go south really fast for him and his team.

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    20. Josh MoradiMarch 24, 2014

      I remember he was in god tier when Twisted Fate was still god tier as well. So, pretty long.

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    21. DreameatermsMarch 24, 2014

      gragas may be still godtier atm
      BUT his rework is already on pbe and its a HUGE nerf to gragas mid they redesigned him to be an ap tank toplaner comparable to vlad

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    22. DreameatermsMarch 24, 2014

      Mainly because the change of his ultimate a few patches ago in whick his ult shadow now stays at castpoint an not behind his target as a consequesce triple shadow is now nearly impossible so his dmg output is nerfed by 33% compared to before

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    23. Luke McCraeMarch 24, 2014

      his kit is a little lackluster, but that doesnt really matter, because his ult can win you the game. he farms well, can shove lane well, and has decent roam with his q movement speed and range of his ult. i find him to be a great top laner, especially in soloQ where teams need a strong initiate coordinate under.

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    24. Luke McCraeMarch 24, 2014

      how do you feel about the kog changes, particularly for the mid lane? in the few games ive played with him, i feel like his now-free w gives him insane harass and the q counters a lot of the tanky items that have been popular. i would say mid kog is around tier 2 now. thoughts?

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    25. i know the changes, but i think he is still stong. He has a bad winrate, but that's because he is not easy to play (like lb). He is still often picked for mid in high elo and sometimes in the LCS

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    26. My prediction came true morgana support is god tier

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    27. I would love it :)

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    28. No move up on kog'maw???

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    29. What is your standpoint on support brand with the new support items the conflagaration can give a insane amount of gold similar to morgana with a bit more complicated stun but I think he deserves high-end tier 3 low end tier-2

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    30. Ryze-top definitely tier-1

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    31. Can somebody answer me on why I defeated a pretty good Shyvanna as Tryndamere?

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    32. And also I find that Heimer Support brings Solo-Q players into submission, causing a surrender!

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    33. Do you still think Kayle is god tier after the nerf to lich bane?

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    34. It's funny because nothing changed on her and the support meta didn't even change

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    35. SSJSuntasticMarch 24, 2014

      It was more of a delayed reaction to ad assassin nerfs, doran shield nerfs, and blue gold item buffs.

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    36. In fact it did on the term of itemization for support...
      The fact that Morgana [W Spell] with the offensive support item (don't remember the exact name) made her gold income increase! :)
      Morgana was always feared in season 1 because of a right cage on a poorly positioned enemy champion made up severe consequence to the game (the more the game goes the less it can forgives such mistake) plus what SSJ said about her black shield we cannot miss such synergy anymore... :)

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    37. Finally Galio climbing! He's definitely awesome :3

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    38. Matthias Diaz DarigoMarch 24, 2014

      How do you make these tier lists? I mean, what's the work behind them, do you play games with every single champ/role with every new patch, or just evaluate each champ after their stats? Also, do you do all of this by yourself or there are more people involved?

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    39. You shouldn't mix High Elo, LCS and 3/4 of the ranked games (which are Bronze Silver Gold).
      The problem of Zed or Lee Sin or LB (even if she is slightly easier) is the problem of High Skill champions!
      To perform great with those you have to be way more experienced to do like you saw in high elo & LCS performance.
      But people often think "by what i saw in this guy stream or in this LCS match, the champion is super strong!" it is, but you need the right pair of hands to do so! :)

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    40. Mr. MiyagiMarch 24, 2014

      I still think the bug is broken. You don't like the new evolve r>e>q?

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    41. Mr. MiyagiMarch 24, 2014

      The hextech mine nerfs were enough, he's much more balanced now than he was before.

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    42. Well since Shyvana eat a bit of the Morello nerf bat she isn't what she used to...while Trynda is untouched for a whiled! :)
      To me it was skill matchup so its more circumstantial in this actual patch.
      Which mean, you just had a better knowledge of Shyvana & Tryndamere while the Shyvana maybe was pretty good like you said but didn't have the right knowledge about Tryndamere or just simply underestimated you...
      This occur more often than you think! (even i can admit it occurs to me...) Its the ego #1 issue in League of Legends :) which turn the chat into flame & insult as we all know ;)

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    43. Try to define your thoughts :) what makes you think that?

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    44. Well for sure Kayle early game isn't as strong as before with Lich bane nerf and her ratio dropped i could test her several times and i made the mistake to play it like pre-nerf which made me goes down but her mid to late game is still here.
      Do not ignore it because in my 2 cases it permitted me a great come back!

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    45. Hmm i was into Ryze this weekend after i read Alex Ich mentioning he is going to come back as Ryze very soon!
      I really think that his Movement Speed Quintessence are mandatory since his spell range are mediocre...
      What do you think about Ryze for being tier 1? any point interest me! :)

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    46. Well seen the abuse of support blue item!
      Will test it out for some fun games :)

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    47. Exactly! :) My poor Twisted Fate...Pantheon is gonna feel the sorrow of Twisted Fate & Nocturne soon too :)

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    48. Jeffrey RosenzweigMarch 24, 2014

      I think it is a buff. That extra second is big. Evolving R first with the 50% damage reduction is insane. Especially if played with any type of shield from a support/laner. Kha definitely belongs God tier.

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    49. So many reworks...

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    50. I like this list less and less. I feel like SSJ just moves to what ever army is spamming in the comments. Uses win rate to prove a champs worth in contradictory ways and straight up ignores some buffs. Diana, Kog'maw and Nautilus buffed? Same places. I can maybe understand nautilus staying the same but, Diana and Kog received some major buffs. Morgana support so does not deserve that high for obvious reasons. (CC is complete hit or miss, Magic Shield can easily be dealt with if the enemy support just leads with burst.) Leblanc's winrate is a HUGE indicator of how good she is. Just so many things feel wrong right now.

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    51. He still does considerable damage from what i saw on several games...

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    52. They hurt his AP stack = Almost not even viable. His stack rates and burst were already low enough. Tier 3 at best IMO. but, i'm just a dog so whats does i knows :)

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    53. No need so much hate on Ziggs...
      Kassadin had and still has the pleasure of your frustration which mean poor positioning is harder on Kassadin than Ziggs despite his satchel charge Ziggs suffer more of poor positioning and he got only skillshots which mean you can fail as Ziggs! :)

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    54. Dagannoth RexMarch 24, 2014

      I started using this tier list when it was patch 3.14, so why was Twisted Fate in God Tier before?

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    55. SweetBreesMarch 24, 2014

      How can Heim be played so he's useful as a team player? Ive been playing him quiet a lot, laning goes amazing, avoiding ganks isnt really possible so i hide by turrets and hope my turrets kill them before i die but once laning is over i find i have to stay back in team fights and snipe with my rockets and stun.
      is there any items or builds that could really aid his late game?

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    56. Dagannoth RexMarch 24, 2014

      I have been using this list since Patch 3.14, so why was Twisted Fate in God Tier?

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    57. I must disagree with you.
      I mean, her early game doesn't change at all. She is still strong in trades at lvl 2 but vulnerable to ganks and squishy pre-6. But i think her mid-late game was nerfed so much in this patch without any compensation like they did on fizz or diana.

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    58. Time to play Galio is finally back. :D

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    59. Ádám PéterMarch 24, 2014

      - Still can't figure out how can be Rumble only Tier 2 on top....especially after the Doran shield nerfs. Considering what champs you ranked higher than him, you lost credibility at me, that's for sure. I don't even want to know what is the evaluation process that gave a higher grade for Kennen, Jarvan IV, Elise, Malphite, Karma, Nidalee, WW, Singed on top.
      - Kayle's rank is waaay to high on both the top and mid list. 1 lower at both seems much more accurate.
      - How Rammus is a Tier 1 jungler at season 4, puzzling to say the least.
      - Kog'Maw got a huge buff, yet no move for him, so sad.

      Those were just the most glaring ones for me (the Tier 1 mid list has at least 5 champs that should not be there, at all).
      No idea what happened to this list recently (around the 4.2 patch) but it's really...khm....not the one it used to be. I came here back then to get a good picture about the actual power levels and such, but it's so wildly inaccurate now that I think I should not take it into account anymore. I appreciate your work you have done here, don't get me wrong, but it really feels that you just putting some chess pieces around and not really evaluating the changes. I'm really sad, I really liked this place, hope it'll get back to what it was. :(

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    60. BoltOfSpadesMarch 24, 2014

      Galio up a tier? Best tier lest yet.

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    61. Because his W Spell wasn't split in 2:
      - time for select the card
      - time with the card locked
      Before you had 10 sec for both now you got 8sec for selecting the right card and 4 to use it.
      Plus his E spell was giving CDR (15% at lvl5 of the spell) and the CD of ult was so low already without it...then nerf bat appeared! :)

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    62. Well i talk ofc of my own experience i felt his Q was doing more damage early pre-nerf...
      Fizz & Diana are subject apart since their playstyle are pure assassin in which most of them are falling late game without any exception (maybe Yasuo and yet with the nerf...)

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    63. Bob McPhersonMarch 24, 2014

      ermagherd this crap sux

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    64. Mahdi El MourrakouchiMarch 24, 2014

      Zed deserves Tier 1 Mid... And Yasuo God Tier mid

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    65. Ádám PéterMarch 24, 2014

      You removed my comment? Others seem to say close to what I did, so not i'm the only one noticing that you are pretty much missed too many on this list....After you declined it (no idea why, wasn't disrespectful, just an opinion) it pretty much settles my opinion not just about the list but about you as a person. Don't do this blog if you can't take criticism.

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    66. SSJSuntasticMarch 24, 2014

      I haven't removed any comments on this list except a few incoherent ones. Your comment was filtered into spam for some reason, fixed it.

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    67. AZNinvasionMarch 24, 2014

      it's funny that morgana is now a support god and I've been playing her for most of season 3 as a support. lololololol

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    68. SSJSuntasticMarch 24, 2014

      Rumble should probably be higher, waiting on some data for kog before making a decision on him. Rammus is really easy to snowball bot with since nobody ganks.

      Sometimes I overlook lesser played champions if there's no particular spike in win rate. I try not to theorycraft based soley on their changes.

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    69. SSJSuntasticMarch 24, 2014

      She wasn't good in season 3 since doran shield was broken and common champs like zed and riven could burst as if she was a non factor.

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    70. SSJSuntasticMarch 24, 2014

      Diana wasnt buffed, she was compensated for lichbane. LeBlanc is a champion where half the people who play her are playing her wrong. Although her win rate is low, it's not awkwardly low. Any LeBlanc who farms instead of tries to trade early on in lane will come out on top.

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    71. ScarfedGaryBuseyMarch 24, 2014

      The biggest issue I have with her is three things I need to emphasize


      1. she can get counter itemed very easily, simply by someone on your team (typically the support) to build frozen heart and for the adc to build randuins as their defensive item of choice makes it so hard for her to get her full dealing of damage out, zhonyas so apc's as well can deny her ult on that aspect.


      2. The best top laners in the game simply put are the ones that can shut her down extremely hard. Renekton: outdamages her and spams q to win matchup. Nasus: So long he makes to 6 without feeding her he can handle and late game wither negates her from anything. Jax: counter-strike that means he can 1v1 her hard and force trades to zone her from getting her to regen from passive. Kayle: Kites her easily and baits her into her ult to counter with her ult and she dies.


      3: Her kit is honestly outclassed when looking at her, and this is on paper but it's frankly true: She has no point in the game when looking at other champs with her role. Mainly Master Yi and Aatrox do the same job that she does but better. Aatrox has IMO the best top sustain of a "real" top laner and has disengage so hes not a free kill when ganked, has poke and 2 forms of CC as well as a amazing steroid and fits on team comps a lot better. And Master yi is almost like her but provides amazing cleanup with his ult timer extended and provides a damage midigation and heal and also has just as much sticking power to a target as fiora and has true damage to get past armor stacking champs.


      Take with this as you will. your argument for fiora can be said for really and AA reliant top laner champ as well. And one last thing that I forgot to mention the teleport buff of it going to 200 seconds when using it on tower should be looked at to potentially move weak top laners higher due to the fact it allows a much easier early game for them. And maybe lower some of the early game champs down a spot or two cough*FIORA*cough.

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    72. NateDaGreatMarch 24, 2014

      I don't understand why Master Yi is Tier 3. I realize that he takes a certain amount of knowledge to play, especially in the top tiers. But, come late game, a good Yi is GG if he builds correctly. Even more so than Trynd.

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    73. NateDaGreatMarch 24, 2014

      Oh.....my...LORD!!! Why is Lucian God Tier ADC? That dumb nigga is literally one of the worst champs in the game, and no that isn't a joke.
      He dominates in lane, but, like Lee Sin and Akali, he falls off and does pitiful damage mid/late game compared to an ADC like Draven. This often results in him hogging kills early on, and then losing the game because he isn't a strong enough champ to carry. Added to that, he has 0 escapes besides his dash, and even that is a joke. Any assassin will tell you that Lucian is indisputable one of the easiest ADCs to assassinate in a teamfight, even more so than Ashe.
      So overrated, I can't believe people actually think he is a good champion. Ez is superior in every way......

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    74. Diana isn't major buff it was due to the Lich Bane nerf.
      They did the same sort of buff for Twisted Fate for exemple. (read the patch note 4.4)

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    75. LightningDan5000March 24, 2014

      This is one of the most retarded tier lists that I've ever seen. I'd like to see what the HELL were you thinking with putting this one together 'cause I have no idea. Sorry to be a hater, I'm not usually one but this is just... i don't even know. There are just SO many wrong things here it's ridiculous. The most retarded of which is putting Friora on top of Tier 1 above Mundo and Shyvana. Yes she beats them in lane but they're such monsters in teamfights that it doesn't matter. In fact pretty much EVERYONE beats Mundo in lane. All Fiora does feed horribly or gets fed but it doesn't matter cause she just gets kited to hell and back. Like Skarner, she has a shit ton of damage but has no means to apply it. And this is just one of the wrong things with this tier list. Examples: Wukong and Nasus being the best tops and not having Renekton in GOD tier is wrong; Jinx being top of God tier but Caitlyn not being in God tier is wrong. Gragas being bellow Himer and Swain? WTF?! And the list of wrong things goes on and on and on.

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    76. NateDaGreatMarch 24, 2014

      Removed my comment about Lucian, because no one wants to face the truth. The black guy sucks, sorry, but he does. His brother Wukong is God Tier, but he isn't. Deal with it

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    77. SSJSuntasticMarch 24, 2014

      I'm guessing you used a racial slur

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    78. Too me he has reasonable tankyness late-game (think pantheon) while also giving the team some AP in case there isn't. and also able to deal with champions like renekton
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    79. SSJSuntasticMarch 24, 2014

      Renekton is in god tier. Caitlyn falls off hard without enough skill. Sounds like you're about to learn something new about heimer and swain.

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    80. LightningDan5000March 24, 2014

      So you're telling me that one of the fastest and safest turret pushers in the game falls off late game. Please dude. You have no idea what you're talking about.

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    81. SSJSuntasticMarch 24, 2014

      I'm saying the one whose steroid only works in the bush falls off late game and 49% win rate as the most popular champion in the game doesn't make her god tier.

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    82. LightningDan5000March 24, 2014

      Whatever dude I'm not gonna even try to argue with you. I'm out - Peace!

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    83. Then don't use the tier lists? I play Veigar regularly without regard to god-tier champs. I play Urgot ADC when it's applicable and can still win games. Granted I'm a shit silver, but these lists are more of a fun read for me then a strict guide to play the game. I like the comments section here too, but honestly, I've been seeing you pop up more and more and it's always negative it seems. Lighten up man.

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    84. SSJSuntasticMarch 24, 2014

      Those without an open mind are doomed to travel the same road. Enjoy your day and good luck on the rift!

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    85. SSJSuntasticMarch 24, 2014

      Yi can snowball very hard, but it can be difficult to get him going since he's less forgiving than trynd.

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    86. Jones DylanMarch 24, 2014

      Put Jayce back in tier 1. His win rate improved by 4 percent when the buffs to tear came out. I think you are underestimating Jayce way too much. He became really strong again, along with ryze. Middle-low tier 1 though. He still sucks against tanks, but it's doable again b/c the damn dorans shield got nerfed.

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    87. Jones DylanMarch 24, 2014

      Also Kha deserves to be in god tier for jungle again. Kha can stack shields when he evolves his R first and it doubles them like hexdrinker an health points. Evolve R first, E second, Q third. Ty

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    88. Jones DylanMarch 24, 2014

      he has a 58% win rate. Zhonyas is all he needs

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    89. Jones DylanMarch 24, 2014

      Also the reason why Yasuo should be in god tier again. I think you got it completely opposite in a way for his nerfs. His nerfs didn't hit him hard at all. Shields are nice and ultimate range is nice too, but those those weren't hardly affected at all. The reason why yasuo is such a threat is b/c no matter how much you shut him down early, he can just wreck with just 2 items, Shiv and IE. That's why he's pick or ban most of the times. Well, the skill is something else though. Yasuo is insanely hard to play b/c he just builds glass cannon and he is melee.

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    90. Jones DylanMarch 24, 2014

      They should be in there, but this Tierlist is largely based on win rates alone. So skill doesn't contribute largely to this list. Zed has around 45% while yasuo has 48%. But if this tier list was really based upon skill and mastering a specific champion and their success, the high skill cap champions would all be in tier 1 or god tier like Lee Sin, Zed, Yasuo, Riven, Swain, Kat, Ziggs.

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    91. SSJSuntasticMarch 24, 2014

      I'd like to think I try to find some middle ground

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    92. Justin MiousseMarch 24, 2014

      I think with the general nerfs to top champions and the current trend of late game strategies, as well as the tear buff, jayce top is alot better now. Hes not quite as good as pre teat nerf but close.

      Id also like to think that with the nerfs to the majority of mid assassins and rise of utility ap mids (morg, ori, lulu) that vayne is alot stronger. Kogs buffs should also help him out.

      Panth is going to nerfed according to the pbe. The other junglers seem to be fine so far. Poppy is secretly broken in the jungle.

      Also, with the mid lane changes, kennen built similar to s2(as well as the incoming wota buff) will bring him back to tier 1 mid and possibly top(keep in mind that double ap is alot more difficult now..)

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    93. SquirrelNutkinsMarch 24, 2014

      I remember, you did call that!

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    94. SquirrelNutkinsMarch 24, 2014

      SSJ --- Handling flamers like a BOSS!

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    95. ShadowSectMarch 24, 2014

      Never use high ranked games winrates/pickrates and LCS pickrates for any champion. They have much more skill, and shouldn't be compared. Not to mention LCS isn't solo queue...

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    96. Does strongest from left to right mean jinx is best AD carry and Wukong is best jungle? Or is Lucian best ADC and Vi best jungle?

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    97. Then change the name of tier 3 because it sounds like Leblanc belongs right in there. Requiring that much skill except putting it into someone like Cassiopeia or Zed would probably be way more rewarding. You can't just say when win rate is a factor and when it is not. Needs to be a part of every decision or none.

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    98. ShadowSectMarch 24, 2014

      Jinx is best, Wukong is best. Left is strongest.

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    99. ShadowSectMarch 24, 2014

      Agree with everything except Poppy. Still not viable, still stupid.

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    100. ShadowSectMarch 24, 2014

      Your history shows nothing about that, and comments aren't removed unless you edit them to be removed...

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    101. ShadowSectMarch 24, 2014

      If you won't argue, what's your point?

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    102. Ahmed RizviMarch 24, 2014

      Thank you! It's perfect if you're versing a champ and don't know how powerful that champ is :D

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    103. Justin MiousseMarch 24, 2014

      Hes deceptively tanky with spirit changes. He can snowball relatively well and profits alot from the dorans shield nerfs. He also benefits alot from the move towards utility mids. His engage and disengage are decent. His damage is decent as well, and he can stick to opponents.

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    104. lissandra is at least tier 1 or god-tier... she is so strong right now

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    105. Matias Ignacio Araneda ArayaMarch 24, 2014

      what you think about Rumble ?? Should I buy it? thnx

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    106. Matias Ignacio Araneda ArayaMarch 24, 2014

      mid or top? i think she is great, but is "hard to master"

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    107. Bit surprised at where Cho'gath is on the top lane list, i find him really easy to use with the AOE silence and slow, and with all the tankiness.

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    108. Hm i will try but i think the item change that occur didn't made good stuff on him! :(

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    109. Explain Karma Top Tier 1 pls.

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    110. Messaiga .March 24, 2014

      I definitely agree. Over the past couple days I have played a lot of Ryze top games and I lost only one of them, he actually does a lot of damage later on despite also being pretty tanky (Although he lacks health sometimes, Seraph's Embrace's Shield makes up for it with his huge mana pool). Definitely deserving the title of a Tier 1 top laner.

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    111. Urgot top is slowly getting better with all of these changes, any chance at a second look? Also, my poor Veigar now takes THREE spells to kill a Kassadin. Damn bubble, making me click you three times now...going to get arthritis....

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    112. Taric4lyfeMarch 25, 2014

      I feel like morg support is just seen as hit or miss cc because that in the eyes of many is what her binding is. People forget that her ult is undodgeable and that in total if you hit everything her kill potential is there. The total time her cc Lasts if you hit everything is nearly 5 seconds and you cant dodge every dark binding. In teamfights her ult gives adc divers two options; either keep divint and be stunned without fail or leave her zone and abandon your dive. I think the fact she can feasably buy zhonyas is what makes her strong now, she doesnt need tankiness tbh. Her sheild means divers that rely on cc are useless, its the cc imunity that makes it good.

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    113. Why did gragas get lowered he's still strong :/

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    114. LightningDan5000March 25, 2014

      That he doesn't have enough game knowledge to make a good tier list.

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    115. He is also very good in lower elo. I'm Silver and i like to play him. And i have a good win rate with him. i didn't want to say, that he is just good in high elo, but that the picks in high elo, show that he is still strong. There are some other "hard to master" champions in the Tier 1 (for example: ori, lb, yasuo) and i think he is defently on the level with the T1 Champs

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    116. Ádám PéterMarch 25, 2014

      I think after the Doran shield nerf, he got his mojo back. People need to choose between not farming, or taking constant damage from the flamethrower and occasional harpoons and cannot regenerate nearly as fast. He is manaless which is a clear advantage early and he gets stronger by spamming his abilities. He is technically melee, but can farm ranged easily, so high dmg melee bursters cannot really touch him. He is nigh undiveable under tower on equal levels, and many times, not even with jungle help in my experience. Glad it was just a minor bug, i was really sad that i thought its blocked, thanks for answering!! :)

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    117. Ádám PéterMarch 25, 2014

      Consider this as if nothing happened :) Bugs happen, thats ok

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    118. Taric4lyfeMarch 25, 2014

      I do agree with this. Its just a bit of an issue with semantics. I feel like Leblanc would fit into both "really strong" and "needs higher skill/knowledge that usual" because she "needs higher skill/knowledge than usual" to be "really strong". Kinda the same with zed and morg (to a lesser extent). Dont know about cassiopia i still think shes weak in the current meta compared to the others

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    119. Taric4lyfeMarch 25, 2014

      Also she can get tankiness from items now, specifically zhonyas, which she had no hope of getting before

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    120. not everything is true like yasuo is top lane gaodand some more things that i disagree

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    121. ShadowSectMarch 25, 2014

      Just no, dude, just no.

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    122. ShadowSectMarch 25, 2014

      He's in Diamond for god's sake, and you say he doesn't have enough game knowledge for someone who's site has been here since Season 1~2.
      Caitlyn is not one of the fastest turret pushers, so that's out of the way. Safest, probably, but fastest, no.
      And yes, she falls off late game because other ADCs start outdamaging her.

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    123. ShadowSectMarch 25, 2014

      Picks in high elo don't mean ****. Again, high skill, you can play anything in high elo with the amount of skill required.
      His win rate OVERALL is 46.65%, so he's not doing so hot.
      He's just outdamaged constantly.

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    124. Where is vlad? ._.

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    125. EvanPlayzGamezMarch 25, 2014

      So guys, this might so extremely stupid but..... AD BRUISER TOP TWISTED FATE IS AWESOME... Try him out and give me some thoughts everyone

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    126. She does well vs most top laners and can even build tanky due to he support style. She wins lane a lot. Try her top

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    127. you should put morgana down , she with adc , adc will just get bully ( zone ) ==

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    128. Javier Ivan Trejo TellezMarch 25, 2014

      Xin Zhao with a new Lintern and LS an AS runes is very strong, Tier 1 is the correct Tier for him.

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    129. Shyvana tier 2 jungle? She is a complete beast during teamfights (literally). Pre-6 her ganks are pretty bad it is true, but she makes up for that late in game.

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    130. Tower DiveMarch 25, 2014

      Meh, I hardly agree with any of these. I'm not that high elo *Diamond 3 atm* But honestly all of listings are pretty much wrong. Wukong god tier top? Laughable

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    131. SquirrelNutkinsMarch 25, 2014

      If Leblanc must be played a certain way, is very skill-shot dependent, and is a "feast or famine" type champ with a low win rate, I can't see how she could be ANY higher than tier 2. It just doesn't make sense. Why is Wukong in God tier? High win rate, easiness factor, lack of skill shots, team-fight carry. What's the opposite of that? Leblanc, low win rate, much more difficult, skill shot dependent, not good in team fights. Just keeping the logic consistent with the rest of the tier list, Leblanc deserves middle of tier 2.
      Taric4lyfe kind of got it right. If she needs "higher skill/knowledge than usual" to be "really strong" she should be in between the two, placing her at Tier 2 (kind of averaging her out which is again, what her win rate reflects). If we go off of POTENTIAL alone, this tier list would be COMPLETELY different and we'd only be looking at platinum and diamond win rates, AKA the people who are maxing certain champions' potential.

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    132. Wu kinda shits on a lot of the high tier top laners, give him a shot

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    133. I played Ryze mid this weekend a lot and i had a 100% win rate. I run him 9-0-21 with typical ap runes. He has rl good mobility and a lot of sustain, so i believe he should be in tier one mid. (sry for my english)

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    134. Biiel AllanMarch 25, 2014

      Trundle "Balanced" ^^

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    135. Ryze mid is strong as well now :D(at least for me )

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    136. Laugh at Wukong? Just watch his winrate.... laugh at him. He has a strong poke and it's hard to trade with him because he will decoy just after his trade. I think he is the only one (?) toplaner who has an HUGE impact in the game, because of the ultimate.Of course he is played even in the jungle in this time but his winrate was high even before the spirit stone changes so...

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    137. lol this is shit

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    138. God Tier


      TOP-Renekton, Shyvannah
      JUNGLE-Lee Sin, Pantheon, Evelyn, Vi, Kha'Zix, Elise
      MID- Lulu, Gragas, Ziggs,Kayle
      ADC-Caitlyn,Lucian,Jinx,Draven
      SUPPORT-Thresh,Leona,Annie

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    139. ShadowSectMarch 25, 2014

      TOP: Wrong. Jax and Wukong aren't there, your argument is, as you say, shit.
      JUNGLE: Lee Sin relies a bit more on skill, so not that high up, but I agree he should be in God. Same for Pantheon, but Eve and Elise are not that high. Eve is COMPLETELY balanced, and Elise just got nerfed. And have you seen Kha's win rate?
      MID: Again, Gragas got nerfed. Not God, although it's debatable.
      ADC: HELL no. Caitlyn falls behind, and Jinx is WAY better than Lucian.
      SUPPORT: Annie has been nerfed, Leona is far tankier than Thresh, and with the constant argument about Morg being higher, I see you lack experience young padawan.
      TL;DR: Top, ADC, and Support are completely off, and Mid is debatable. Jungle is almost spot on except you're not regarding win rates nor recent nerfs.

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    140. ShadowSectMarch 25, 2014

      My only changes regarding this list are that Heimerdinger should be moved up to God, Urgot ADC should be moved down to Tier 4, Elise Jungle should be moved down to Tier 3 (completely opinion based, do not regard as truth, I just want it), Rumble Top should be moved down to Tier 3 around top, Kassadin should be Tier 4 (also opinion based, disregard, although I've never really seen him win in Gold), Sivir should be moved down to Tier 1, and Yorick Top should be moved down to Tier 2.

      TL;DR: Heimer should be moved up. Urgot ADC, Elise Jungle, Rumble Top, Kassadin Mid, Sivir ADC, and Yorick Top should be moved down.

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    141. Jones DylanMarch 25, 2014

      He's only good if the other team gets hardcore tanks. The other team won't always get hardcore tanks. He's not even worth mentioning if there isn't a tank on the other team.

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    142. Jones DylanMarch 25, 2014

      I agree with Tower Dive, it's pretty ridiculous that Wu is top god. That's just silly. Any one of the popular tank or bruiser does well against Wu. Wu jungle on the other hand is a different.

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    143. ShadowSectMarch 25, 2014

      Tried him. Fun but still requires lots of skill. Though I think he deserves a spot in Tier 2. He's better than people think.

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    144. SSJSuntasticMarch 25, 2014

      That's not completely fair, he made a very good FOTM list. If I took the most played champions of each role then it'd look very similar to that.


      This list tries to look a little past the sheep meta though, so your mileage will vary.

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    145. ShadowSectMarch 25, 2014

      Yeah, but FOTM doesn't mean they're good, they're just extremely popular. I personally think Pantheon and Elise are falling behind.

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    146. ShadowSectMarch 25, 2014

      I personally think Rumble is getting worse and worse, and there are much better Tops to buy, such as Wukong, Renekton, and especially Nasus.

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    147. Chaotic EpilogueMarch 25, 2014

      I think you should Add Cass support, I've been doing it recently and it works very well, the poke is fantastic, and compared to other classes who use spelltheifs edge, a single q from cass goes through all of the ticks so your gold level is comparable to mid. (Ill be honest I don't know the numbers, it may, or may not, be anywhere close). Either way, I suggest you check it out and consider adding it.

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    148. faker-senpaiMarch 25, 2014

      i think zed pretty OP right now. i dont get why hes tier 2, he can snowball pretty hard despite his high skill cap.. should be like tier 1 imo, but i would love to know ur reasoning for putting him at tier 2 so that i can prob get a beter understanding for his weaknesses

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    149. Hi my name is Quincee and I am a support looking for a good adc to duo with over skype. Add me MrQuincinator

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    150. LunaticskillzMarch 25, 2014

      where is aatrox?

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    151. Twitch [Tier 2 AD Carry] - Twitch's lack of escape makes him slightly weak, and although his damage is high, with a 50% win rate and low utility I'd say he's more balanced in the current meta.

      I agree, INVISIBILITY isn't an escape. Definitely. For sure.

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    152. I think Kog'maw needs to be added to mid lane tier 1 or 2. If you build Health and AP on Kog you are basically invincible. Mid to late game he is just amazing and poking and not dying.

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    153. TonyTheLiger1412March 26, 2014

      A delayed invisibility that can be further delayed by damage isn't an escape tool that can be used to get out of a trading situation. Escape tools of marksmen would be things like Ezreal's Arcane Shift, Caitlyn's 90 Caliber Net, and Corki's Valkyrie. They're very quick moving and can pass through terrain.

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    154. TonyTheLiger1412March 26, 2014

      Shyvana got nerfed up the butt, and is now required to build AD to do decent damage, and her passive isn't that effective in early game anymore. Elise got nerfed too much to continue as a god tier. She can't stay in the jungle as well because of reduced early spiderling health, and her damage to monsters was also reduced. Annie's base damages were nerfed, so I think she'd be in tier 1. Caitlyn is mediocre in anything outside of the first 10 minutes of bot lane, even then, she's not the best.

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    155. TonyTheLiger1412March 26, 2014

      It's kind of like Jarvan, except you can't flash out a knock up. He will stop the entire enemy team momentarily, and if your team follows up, you win. The easiest way to see the potential is if you go Wukong-Yasuo combo, and just destroy everything in a 2v5, which I have done plenty of times.

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    156. TonyTheLiger1412March 26, 2014

      Her ganks are bad post-6 as well. Her passive isn't very useful until late game. She now has to get actual damage items, not just damage/tank items+tank items. Before, you could do plenty of damage with just Wit's End and Wriggle's Lantern, but now you actually need to build a Ravenous Hydra, Wit's End, and Frozen Mallet, and with shoes, that leaves room for just 2 full tank items.

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    157. TonyTheLiger1412March 26, 2014

      Rumble is very fun for me. There is one thing he has in common with all the other uncommonly played champs(Mordekaiser, Anivia, Heimerdinger, Poppy), you won't do much to the enemy unless you can bait them well. If you can force someone to stand in your ult, you will win that fight. This gives him great synergy with AoE control type moves, such as Thresh, Wukong, and Jarvan's ults. One major advantage to playing Rumble, as well as any of the parenthesized champions, you rarely see people play them, so for the most part, people don't know how to face you.

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    158. TonyTheLiger1412March 26, 2014

      I'm pretty sure if I can dive into a 1v5, get a double, and leave with half health and not even burn my flash, then Poppy is at the very least a viable champ.

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    159. TonyTheLiger1412March 26, 2014

      I have only seen three good Yasuo players in the games I have played. Some random enemy, my friend that I taught, and myself. He's really easy to learn. He's exactly the same as any other "melee ADC" as I call them(Tryndamere, Yi, Fiora, etc). The only difference is that he needs knockups specifically in his team comp, not just stuns or fears or something, and AoE knockups(Malphite, Jarvan, Wukong, Orianna, Cho'Gath) are much more commonly used than other forms of AoE hard cc(Leona, Hecarim, Veigar, Viktor).

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    160. TonyTheLiger1412March 26, 2014

      You may think he's wrong, others may think he is right. Just because you think he is wrong doesn't mean he is. You can't simply say "You are wrong because I feel differently about this topic than you." State your opinion, state your reasoning, and have a civil conversation, so he will understand your points, and possibly change the list, or you will understand his points, and the list will stay as it is.

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    161. Josh MoradiMarch 26, 2014

      Don't forget the global gold passive as well.

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    162. Shyvana doesn't even need damage. Just with the BOK she can deal substantial damage if your team keeps up with you. In dragon form, the effect of the W and sunfire cape, as well as the E+Q is just perfect. In addition, she can take out the squishy targets, and laugh at their damage with her tankiness, while being able to kill them quite easily with the speed boost from the W, the effect of the W, and sunfire. The only reason why you would build damage on Shyvana other than BOK or even Trinity Force is because you are too fed, and the team relies on you to carry. I agree on Elise, but she can also go tank, since most of her abilities do %damage anyways.

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    163. Jones DylanMarch 26, 2014

      I think you didn't get my point. The other melee adcs, once they are behind, they are near useless. Ever seen a Fiora, Yi, Tryndamere ever wreck once they become really behind? Yasuo on the other hand just needs a shiv and IE to come back and deal massive damage and his ultimate is game changing if good knock ups were done. Other melee adcs can't just go back in the game when they are behind and none of their ults are game changing like yasuo's. Not to mention that yasuo gives great safety with wind wall.

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    164. ShadowSectMarch 26, 2014

      Then you realize you lack sustain, an escape, and a good early game, which means lots of ganks while you're OOM, which means you WILL fall behind.
      So your game boils down to whether you're ganked or not, which is almost always.

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    165. ShadowSectMarch 26, 2014

      You're right. It certainly isn't without mobility.

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    166. EvanPlayzGamezMarch 26, 2014

      What position do you guys think I should alt, I'm a jungler that plays Rumble top, Lee Sin jungle, Ziggs or Orianna mid, Kog'Maw adc and Leona and Thresh support, as a Bronze 3 player that is just trying to climb out of literal ELO hell were everytime I get to series I lose it and that has happened I dont know 15-20 times now?

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    167. EvanPlayzGamezMarch 26, 2014

      *this is the shit

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    168. EvanPlayzGamezMarch 26, 2014

      Oh and also give me some advice on really good champions for the position to help me get out of Bronze, would be much appreciated.

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    169. Blubbernugget510March 26, 2014

      I agree with this statement (except the poppy thing).

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    170. Digidream GamerMarch 26, 2014

      Very nice tier list you've made, i'm watching it every patch but one thing that bothers me is that you refer to links (eg Kayle) why she is "OP" but that link dates from dec 2013 and she has been changed a lot since then so it doesn't help me to know why for example Kayle is back in the top tier Mid after such a big nerf on her Q

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    171. Nguyễn Duy HưngMarch 26, 2014

      Pantheon support is broken! His spear, his stun, his passie....

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    172. Just high skill cap. If you're a good Zed it's very easy to snowball and wreck.

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    173. Questions -


      1) If mechanics/skill required are factored into the tiers, why are draven, sivir, and Lucian considered God tier while Caitlin is tier 1. Don't they require a bit more mechanically intensive playmaking over cait? Just wondering. I'm a 2.5 month old bronze 4 noob so if this question is dumb then that's probably why :( .


      2) For nasus to be a god he requires the ability to outfarm for maxing Q stacks right? If he can be countered w/ someone who farms easier and harasses/out trades what makes him God tier.


      3) Why is eve only considered Tier 2? AD/Offtank build w/ her is extremely easy to help get your lanes fed, easy counter jungling and roaming/mobility thanks to her passive + W + moba boots, and her split pushing potential w/ this build is insane. I don't think she requires too much mechanical skill but moreso just playing consistently smart and not going for flashy plays or dives too often and its basically free elo. The AD/Offtank eve IMO is a tier above AP glass cannon eve.


      4) Olaf is broken as a jungler and could easily be a tier 1 jung. Very strong early game and can kill a lot of junglers early in their jung or during a counter gank.

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    174. tier 1 jg and top

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    175. He has no utility beside his w which is just a 1.0 sec stun so nothing good :s I know his early game is op and you can manage to get early kills but as a support he's just useless late... (and even mid game)

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    176. Just after people wanted her higher. Now she's higher, but now people want leblanc moved down..
      But in response to her lacking ability in team fights, she can easily pick off the teams squishes and normally get out no problem. (But that does require skill)

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    177. SSJSuntasticMarch 26, 2014

      That's a good point, I need to cycle through those links to make sure they're still up to date. (Which obviously some of them aren't)

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    178. Thomas LinMarch 26, 2014

      They are going to be nerfing Wukong's armor shred and ultimate. Is he going to be greatly affected?

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    179. ShadowSectMarch 26, 2014

      Perfect explanation.
      Also, he tends to desynergize with most ADCs, and less gold = unhappy Pantheon. You would have to get kills to be successful, which means less kills for ADC, which means a non-fed ADC, which is trouble.

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    180. ShadowSectMarch 26, 2014

      In regards to armor shred, it will definitely reduce his early game potential, but not as much late game. As for his ult, it's not much of a difference. 120% reduced to 110% isn't much, and it's not what makes it so OP. It's the fact that its knockup synergizes so well with most teams.

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    181. Holy crap! Lol my name is Quincy and I used to call myself quincinator too...

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    182. Thomas LinMarch 26, 2014

      I see. I wanted advice from other people because I was going to buy the Jade Dragon skin while it's on sale. But if Wukong will be overnerfed, I will save my RP.

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    183. ShadowSectMarch 26, 2014

      I would get Jade Dragon, but it's up to you. I would suggest, though, that you wait until the nerf is definite and not debated.

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    184. Quinton AndersonMarch 26, 2014

      Master Yi mid....

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    185. How do you think Gragas's rework will affect him? I think it will lower is spot on the tier list, since he has much less sustain poke, and tankiness(dmg reduction W), what do you guys think?

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    186. 좋은 게임March 26, 2014

      And also the nerf is more of a nerf to his laning rather than jungle. After this patch, lane wukong will probably unviable.

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    187. I think 2 things are wrong in this tier list: Nautilus being pulled down and Mid Tristana being kept Tier 4.

      Nautilus: He has some decent clear speed, has great gaks, can save team mates kinda easily and still he can burst down someone pretty easy if you know how to play with him (but for this you would need a red buff, to sync better with your W and CC). He's my main jungler and I know he can be neutralized if counter-jungled (in this case, you will need to take over other's jungle or even have some taxes or the last resort: be a ganking king, that is one easy task for him (infinite cc + gap closer). I think he should be Tier 1 by now, he was even buffed, what makes it even easier to tank/clear jungle with his W.


      Tristana Mid: it's just a super monster, worst than Le Blanc if well played, reasons: if you know how to build (hextech(or ga)/nashor/dfg/lich(or zhonya)/mg pen boots/rabaddon) she'll become a monstruous hibrid champ that can become an ap "adc" keeping the high burst potential she naturally has. For me she could be moved to tier 2 or 3, she's not that crap to be kept on tier 4, although you NEED to know how to play Trist Ap to rule over everyone (not like gragas q q w q e q r pentakill)

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    188. Matias Ignacio Araneda ArayaMarch 26, 2014

      2) i think nasus actually doesn´t deserve to be in the god tier, because is so easy to counter him and he is countered by renekton and teemo, they are a little overplayed (sorry is my english is bad, i am a spanish native speaker :D)


      3) eve ad/tank OP :3


      4) its better in top

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    189. Ike MillerMarch 27, 2014

      Why was my comment about Karthus deleted?

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    190. Taric4lyfeMarch 27, 2014

      Nautilus has been underpowered for quite a while. It was just unfortunate timing that he got moved down right after he was buffed a bit. His clears are on tge lower side of average and really dont improve throughout the game due to his build. What this means is that even though his late game is good he doesnt have the gold other junglers have to exploit it. His damage is atrocious without shield and its too easy to break. Nail in the coffin for me is the mobi boots nerfs which means his ganks are far less effective than because he cant chase and he needs to be in range to apply his cc due to his damage likely not being enough to hurt the target at all (god help you ganking top lane in this meta).

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    191. Taric4lyfeMarch 27, 2014

      First step to me is just play one role and one or two champs. If its jungle then just play vi build damage early and kill things. Generally pretty easy carry out of bronze.

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    192. Jones DylanMarch 27, 2014

      Take down Jinx from God Tier. She has no mobility and can't kite popular assassins and bruisers like wukong or lb.

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    193. Hi, Kayle should not be tier 4 support anymore. After her tweaks that made her ult manaless and her heal and MS buff scale better with AP, she is now viable and I would say at least Tier 2 by now. nRated has been using her to great success for SK Gaming in the European LCS. Reasonable mana costs in lane, great damage into lategame, and scaling utility. Please convince me that Teemo and Gangplank support (T3) are somehow superior to her.

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    194. ShadowSectMarch 27, 2014

      Unviable?!? What?!?
      An armor shred nerf doesn't just simply make him unviable, and neither does his ult nerf.
      You mean less op? Sure. But unviable?!?

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    195. ShadowSectMarch 27, 2014

      "No mobility and can't kite popular assassins"
      W.T.F.
      Gee, I guess damage doesn't matter. It's not like her poke damage and wave clear are off the charts or anything. Or her attack speed bonus. Or her ult's usefulness in teamfights. Or her REALLY good escape in teamfights thanks to her passive (there's your mobility). She also probably really sucks due to her E, even though it gets rid of an escape route and roots champions for 1.5 god damn seconds.
      She doesn't have any of that...
      Your argument is one of the worst I've seen so far this week, and that's saying something.

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    196. טל סערMarch 27, 2014

      Most of the things u said are true, but i have to disagree about some things.

      First, graves and corki should not be in the Top Tier, instead of them vayne should be there.
      Second, in mid lane, Kayle is no near God Tier now, maybe Tier 2, u should replace her and LB should be there.
      Third, in the jungler Lee\Vi/Wukong should be in the god tier instead of amumu.
      And for the last thing, in top lane, both nasus and wukong are no near God Tier top laners, maybe Tier 1-2, Wukong should be played in the jungle now, Shyvana should be there with Trundle.

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    197. SSJSuntasticMarch 27, 2014

      I'm not sure, I don't see it in the deleted or spam folders, are you sure it was submitted?

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    198. What about wukong mid? I find him stronger than jungler or top. He can farm and harras his lane opponent a lot and once with blue he can even all in. He has the kill potential he needs plus that he can roam good.

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    199. Surprised to see still no movement on top lane Nasus. He was nerfed half a dozen times and it's been over a month since anyone north of gold has considered him to be much of a threat. He's been hovering around a 49% winrate for the past month as well. He may still be a "strong" pick but God tier is really a stretch.

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    200. I think this statement needs some backing up! although his Q is now a skillshot is not at all harder to land then another adcs skillshot. and with the no mana cost on w is a big benefit to him and tristana (also the armor shred and MR shred on his q is very strong IMO)

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