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Dec 26, 2012

Asian Teams Picking Zed in High Level Competitive Play, Phreak Defends Zed

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On the NA servers, Zed is largely seen as a hero that's too hard to play and might need some quality of life buffs. Meanwhile, the Asian servers disagree, consistently picking Zed in high level game-play such as the match you can see below in the OGN Winter quarterfinals match between Azubu Frost and CJ Entus.

It's 55 min, EDIT: But crazy epic! I wish the quality was a little better but this match was seriously AMAZING)



Meanwhile, RedMercy from Youtube assembled this montage of impressive Zed clips, proving that the champion can snowball hard if given a lead.



Personally, I've only seen one good Zed, and he tends to feed the majority of games he's played in at gold Elo. However, this might just be another Lee Sin moment, and we'll have to wait until people figure out how to play him correctly before we see the Zed QQ begin.

For those of you who like more concrete numbers besides my personal opinion at nerfplz.com (which is understandable), in terms of statistics, Zed's not played all that often, and sports about a 47% win rate according to LolKing.net.


RiotPhreak had the following to say on Zed: (Concluding that he's a balanced champion that will not be receiving any buffs)
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The only fantastic Zed play I saw in all of those asian tournaments is where Zed ulted Ashe to avoid her arrow. And I don't think he even killed her.

Every Zed I've seen doesn't do well in terms of getting kills. Even his ability to assist is not that great. Zed cannot reliably stick to his foe when his ultimate is cast. That would not be a problem in of itself, but his ultimate also does **** damage before rank 3. His Q's are hard to hit, and getting overlapping shadows on his W is too difficult because you'd have to place your shadows in extremely inefficient ways just to get it to hit because of how terrible of a range his E actually is. It doesn't take a Game Analyst at riot to see that Zed needs buffed. Not one game have I been extremely impressed with the asian pro's playing Zed except for dodging Ashes arrow.


Zed should of been able to kill that ashe. Do you know why that didnt happen? Because he missed his Q. I've seen Zed's missing Q's constantly at the professional level of play. That ability is too damn hard to hit with right now. Here's a video of the encounter. (watch at 20:15)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9wI5qnzr4Q

Seriously, Speed up his Q. After witnessing several Q misses from Zed, when the player playing him is obviously very skilled, I can say there's something very wrong. Ashe should NOT of been able to get away from that. At all.

***EDIT***
  • Zed's Ultimate Detonation is too weak at rank 1 and 2. Zed is extremely throttled by it, the fact that his W is leveled last which gives him passive bonus AD to make a more powerful ult, and then he isn't going to have the itemization to make use of his ultimate at rank 1 and 2.
  • E's Radius needs to be bumped up to what it originally was on the PBE, which was Katarina's W range. It got nerfed for reasons unexplained.
  • Zed's Q is extremely easy to juke. It needs to not be that easy to juke. Increase the width of the detection hitbox, or increase the speed.
I don't understand posts like these.

We just saw some of the best teams in the world repeatedly pick a champion in matches that meant elimination or the chance at $80,000. Your conclusion is that we need to buff this champion.

Not every champion goes 20/0. That's not the earmark of a great champion. If our goal is to balance this game at the highest tier, the competitive tier, then our biggest indicator is how often these champions are picked and banned at the highest tier.

Zed's being picked a lot.

I watched Irelia from CJ's LongPanda (oops! wrote InSec the first time) only go like 4/4/20 as well. She has this passive that lowers stun duration, but this one time she totally died to Ashe ultimate. Clearly this is an expert player and something is wrong here if he would die. That's just silly! We surely must buff Irelia. She sucks so much she's picked at the highest tier of competition.

Not all champions do flashy things every single game. League of Legends is not just a Doublelift highlight reel. My theory is that Zed's being picked frequently because he is a strong laner, puts a lot of pressure on enemy AD carries, and scales well. It seems that he's doing all those things quite well and both Shy and InSec certainly appear to agree.


He may be extremely energy gated. His energy regain might be incredibly inconsistent and unreliable. I'm not here to dispute individual points of a champion. You all play Zed more than I do and I trust your experiences.

However, the point I want to bring out is that Zed is apparently balanced or (too?) strong. When you simply buff a champion, it only gets stronger. Lowering energy costs, increasing missile speed/width. Those are buffs.

Now, the question is: If you really wanted these, what would you be willing to give away? Because Zed isn't showing to me as, "This is a weak champion who needs buffs." This shows to me as, "This is a balanced/strong/whatever champion who could get improvements but would have to be nerfed as a result.'

Just look at Rumble. Source 1 Source 2

What do you guys think about Zed? Is he balanced? Is he too strong? Is he too weak? Comment below!




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6 comments:

  1. Durem FeetkillerDecember 26, 2012

    Bought zed, and stopped playing him after a game where i was 5-0-0 and 220 creps at 22 min, completly destroying their midlane and couldn't carry at all. A champion with those stats should be able to do it.
    Maybe i built him wrong
    Maybe i played him wrong
    But if u release a champion as an "assasin" get him the power to delete people. Zed doesn't.
    I don't get him, he has no really cc, mobility isn't thaaaaaaat good, skillset meh..
    In my point of view, he needs something to get in the league

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  2. SSJSuntasticDecember 26, 2012

    Hi Durem! I was starting to think that maybe nobody was posting since nobody has played or has seen Zed at all haha. That was a very well thought out post, thank you for your input!

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  3. Im sorry, zed is wayy to overpowered in 1v1. I have played him F*** tons of times and hes challenging and interesting to use. His ult is op, and his Q is easy to hit so long as you know how to do it. Also, not every champion is viable at a high elo as it is, and zed is definitely viable as a mid/solotop simply because of his amazing 1v1 ability. Is harass is so rediculous and its real easy to use. At least now we. Have someone other than orianna who takes some sort of skill to play besides facing the enemy alone. AND hes spamable. Cdr boots and a brutalizer can never go wrong

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  4. SSJSuntasticDecember 28, 2012

    Hi Justin, thanks for commenting! I definitely wouldn't mind seeing some high level Zed play in the near future, he's got a lot of capacity for making highlight reels for sure!

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  5. My honest reaction to the Zed is that he is a Tier 3 Top laner. I have yet to play Zed and I don't think he is under or overpowered. How do I come to this conclusion? I've seen a multitude of Zed's when he first came out who in my ELO were taking down health bars and melting carries, then getting out of fights. You know, WHAT ASSASSINS DO. I see no reason to buff OR nerf this champion. He is balanced, can do damage if build right, and can be countered. If he gets buffed, people will complain, and the good Zed players will get better, making more people pick him up, more complaints to Riot, and he'll get nerfed again. Conclusion, Zed is golden where he is.

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  6. Just played a match with Zed tonight...wanted to try him out again after reading different thoughts on him from this article and responses...got a video link to it here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iPPuoeN87g zed can definitely carry a team...even very late game he can just absolutely deal disgusting amounts of damage. i get an unofficial pentakill in there somewhere...and at the 38:00 ish minute i destroy an almost full build gangplank in seconds

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