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SEASON 4 - PATCH 4.13 SOLO QUEUE TIER LIST
SEASON 4 UPDATE
SEASON 4 UPDATE
This List has been updated, and new versions are available via this link
Hey everyone, and welcome to the Patch 4.13 update, where FOTM level champions like Nidalee, Maokai, and Gragas top have conquered the popularity list (coming up later this week).
Meanwhile, in terms of top win rates, junglers currently hold 8 out of 10 of the top win rates in solo queue. Mid lane god Ziggs has been nerfed down, so a new set of mids are taking his place. However, that being said, mid lane is fairly balanced at the moment.
Patch 4.13 Summary
Nerfs: Elise, Evelynn, Gragas, Lee Sin, Lulu, Yasuo, Ziggs, Kog'maw, Lucian, Tristana, Braum, Nami, ThreshBuffs: Hecarim, Jax, Olaf, Kayle, Leblanc, Lissandra, Lux, Vel'koz, Graves, Sivir, Varus, Vayne, JannaTweaks: Shyvana, Sona
- Added Maokai top
- 8/5: Ziggs moved up
- 8/6: Yorick moved up, Karma/Udyr top moved down
- Maokai moved up, his ultimate is so broken with RoA; it can stay on for way too long.
- 8/10: Braum moved up to Tier 1, Thresh under risk of dropping to Tier 3.
- 8/12: Ezreal (AP) moved up
- 8/13: Alistar moved up, Thresh moved down
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God Tier [Exceptionally Strong Choices]:
Mid-Lane Gods: Swain, Fizz
Jungle Gods: Rammus, Amumu, Maokai, Warwick, Wukong, Fiddlesticks, Jarvan IV, Vi
AD Gods: Tristana, Kog'Maw, Jinx, Lucian
Top Lane Gods: Maokai, Warwick, Swain, Wukong, Fiora
Support Gods: Morgana, Nami, Leona
Tier 1 [Strong/Preferred Choices]:
Mid-Lane: Katarina, Malzahar, Kassadin, Ziggs, Orianna, Galio, Ahri, Vel'Koz, Zyra, Talon, Lux, Xerath, Anivia, Morgana, Cassiopeia, Brand, Syndra, Heimerdinger, Wukong
Jungle: Sejuani, Xin Zhao, Volibear, Udyr, Gragas, Pantheon, Rengar, Aatrox,
AD Carry: Draven, Miss Fortune, Caitlyn, Corki
Top Lane: Heimerdinger, Rumble, Lulu, Alistar, Renekton, Irelia, Jax, Nasus, Gragas, Nidalee, Yorick, Trundle, Ryze, Malphite, Jarvan IV, Tryndamere, Rengar, Darius, Singed, Yasuo, Lissandra, Pantheon, Teemo, Kennen
Support: Janna, Blitzcrank, Braum, Sona, Zyra
Tier 2 [Viable/Balanced Choices]:
Mid-Lane: Twisted Fate, Diana, Akali, Lissandra, Pantheon, Lulu (AP), Yasuo, Viktor, Kayle, Karma, Zed, Fiora, Annie, Kennen, Mordekaiser, Vladimir, Zilean, Teemo, Elise, Sion, Ryze, Jayce,
Jungle: Nautilus, Skarner, Evelynn, Kayle, Jax, Nocturne, Shaco, Kha'Zix, Elise, Lee Sin, Master Yi, Tryndamere, Olaf, Zac, Dr. Mundo, Nasus, Shyvana, Leona, Trundle, Malphite, Diana, Zed
AD Carry: Graves, Sivir, Ashe, Varus, Ezreal, Vayne, Quinn
Top Lane: Riven, Volibear, Aatrox, Udyr, Karma, Lee Sin, Shyvana, Kayle, Cho'gath, Elise, Vladimir, Olaf, Xin Zhao, Viktor, Poppy, Akali, Quinn, Vi, Dr. Mundo, Jayce, Zed
Support: Alistar, Lulu, Vel'Koz, Thresh, Xerath, Annie, Gragas, Karma, Fiddlesticks
Tier 3 [Needs Higher Skill/Knowledge Than Usual]:
Mid-Lane: Gragas, Karthus, Veigar, Leblanc, Nidalee (AP), Kha'Zix, Riven, Tristana, Cho'Gath, Fiddlesticks, Ezreal (AP)
Jungle: Hecarim, Nunu, Cho'Gath, Shen, Malzahar, Yasuo, Fiora, Riven, Poppy, Darius
AD Carry: Twitch, Twisted Fate, Kennen
Top Lane: Shen, Garen, Kha'Zix, Master Yi, Gangplank, Zac, Mordekaiser, Sion, Vayne, Talon, Soraka, Nunu, Galio
Support: Taric, Volibear, Zilean, Nautilus, Lux, Maokai, Nunu, Kayle, Soraka, Teemo, Malphite, Anivia, Syndra, Veigar, Gangplank
Tier 4 [Low Effort to Benefit Ratios]:
Mid-Lane: Kog'maw, Urgot, Soraka, Janna
Jungle: Gangplank, Garen, Blitzcrank
AD Carry: Urgot
Top Lane: Urgot
Support: Nidalee, Orianna, Poppy, Elise, Galio, Shen, Yorick, Lissandra, Ashe, Leblanc
Instructions and Caveats:
- Champions in BOLD I will talk about shortly
- Champions UNDERLINED may be over/undervalued, but aren't/haven't played enough for me to make a better judgement.
- Within each tier the champions are strongest from left to right, but within a tier each champion's strength is relatively close. This is especially true for Tiers 2 and 3 where these champions are ALL highly playable and player dependent on how strong they are in-game.
- This tier list takes data from ALL players; however, since the majority of players fall in the first three tiers, the majority of data points will come from there.
- Win Rates are important in analyzing each champion's strength, but are not the end-all criteria for any champion's position.
- The creator of this list is diamond, so there may be some personal bias towards higher tier play on certain champions.
Champion Explanations
- Swain [Mid Lane God] - With poke champions like Ziggs and Nidalee nerfed, a lot more battles take place up close and personal. He's also one of those champions that require very little in the way of items to do massive damage, and synergize very well/perform well against the tanky dive teams that are popular right now.
- Fiddlesticks [Jungle God] - With a lot of the "counterjungle" champions nerfed, Fiddle basically roams free in the jungle now, which as we all know leads to a lot of unavoidable ganks via his blinking ultimate.
- Maokai [God Tier Top] - Popularized by some professional teams, Maokai top is actually made very viable by his new ultimate. As most top laners have been nerfed to a fairly stagnant point, the champions that are strong in teamfights end up making the most impact.
- Nami [Support God] - Despite being nerfed, nerfs on other supports that do well against her mean that she's actually doing better in comparison.
- Warwick [God Tier Top] - I've beaten this dog to death, but he's really an extremely strong solo queue champion with an exceedingly simple, yet effective strategy. If you find yourself out of your depth and wish to keep advancing further, this is your dog.
- Lissandra [Tier 1 Top] - The lowering on her Q CD means that she's much more of a sustained fighting champion now, and gives her higher overall damage potential than before. It also gives her much more frequent poke in lane. However, due to her low range, she does much better top lane against melee champions than she does mid.
- Heimerdinger [Tier 1 Top] - Despite being perceived as somewhat of a troll pick at the moment, Heimerdinger is essentially Teemo 2.0 right now. His laning phase is so mind blowingly simple and makes it very difficult for most top melee laners to farm effectively, and if a jungler ever decides to gank him, it often leads to their own demise via cannon. Many games have been lost to an ultimate heimer turret combined with a zhonyas.
- Nidalee [Tier 1 Top] - Despite popular opinion on Nidalee being one of, if not the strongest top laners at the moment, her in-lane dominance often does not translate to her game-winning ability.
- Janna [Tier 1 Support] - I know that I said I wouldn't be moving Janna much, but the fact of the matter is, a ton of other supports were nerfed/changed, and she synergizes insanely well with most of the strongest junglers in the game right now. Incidentally, she's also the ultimate counter to the strongest junglers in the game as well. I'd say that she definitely just switched from one of the weaker supports in the meta to one of the stronger ones now. I eat my words from the analysis thread.
- Sona [Tier 1 Support] - Surprisingly, the changes on Sona actually make her weakest point (surviving) a lot stronger. Despite her mass reduction in range, I think she's actually in a decent place right now, and her win rate seems stable. We'll see how it goes.
- Zilean [Tier 2 Mid] - Many of you voiced some strong reluctance to seeing Zilean in Tier 3/4, and I agree, I've had him too low; many other champions have been nerfed since his crappy days, and changes to a lot of the mana items have brought back his viability.
- Lee Sin [Tier 2 Jungle] - Lee Sin's definitely a whole lot weaker than before, but while he's still viable, it's only with a solid amount of skill that he'll do decently well.
- Thresh [Tier 2 Support] - While his potential is high, I'd like to think he's "balanced" right now although his win rate is awfully low, he still has the same mechanics as before and pick potential.
- Braum [Tier 1 Support] - Similar to Thresh, I think he's in a good spot right now.
For a full analysis on champion changes this patch, check out this link!
- The purpose of this list is for discussion and to provide a starting point for champion selection.
Agree? Disagree? Comment below!
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ReplyDeleteThoughts on Akali being tier 2 mid? Her laning phase is relatively safe thanks to her passive and her shroud, with 3 stacks of her ultimate and a revolver she's very hard to out-duel, and her botlane ganks are incredibly easy thanks to her multiple gap closers. I know that she's quite "hit or miss", but if you play her good it can be really rewarding, especially at lower elo.
ReplyDeleteThe fact that she is hard af to play is probably the reason why she's in tier 2.
ReplyDeleteTrydaqueer?
ReplyDeleteYES NAMI IS IN GOD TIER NAMIEAN
ReplyDeleteThat pun was very Grave
ReplyDeletelol Blitz higher then thresh and braum? G fricken G :O
ReplyDeleteShouldn't singed be higher in tier 1 since he counters some popular champs and his counters are pretty rare?
ReplyDeleteAs a person who mains mid lane, I find your tier list for the mid lane quite wrong. Firstly, why would you put yasuo and twisted fate both in the viable/balanced lane, they are both easily strong/preferred champs. As well as putting wukong in the strong/ preferred tier for mid. I don't know what stats you are looking at or what games you have watched but I think that you need to have a look at your mid lane placements.
ReplyDeleteSo many newcomers to the god-tiers, makes the game more interesting when things change like this. Who would've thought Swain top, Maokai top, and nami support are god tier. Some of these things surprise me, but make sense.
ReplyDeleteYasuo explanations pls. He's definetly higher
ReplyDeleteThis tier list is about overall effectiveness and winrates in solo queue, not popularity. Both Yasuo and TF have good matchups and bad ones, and they take a lot of practice to be effective with. If they snowball it's not a guaranteed win, but if they fall behind it's not a guaranteed loss. They're popular yes, but they're also balanced. If you want to see SSJ's FoTM tier list, it's here: http://www.nerfplz.com/2014/07/solo-queue-fotm-tier-list-patch-412.html
ReplyDelete(Note that Yasuo and TF are rated highly there because they're popular)
I really want to know why graves got moved down i mean he got buffed and SSJ said he would move up. Im not an expert on what champ is strong in the meta but i think graves is a good ADC, he has good mobility, high burst damage (especially at lvl 6) and he has a bit of tanky stats to survive a bit coupled with the mobility he has.
ReplyDeletenow i dont want people flaming at me for being ignorant about how graves fits in the current meta. i just want to know: why the move down cos it makes no sense to me.
With Maokai's new ult, and more cc, could maokai support possibly be higher? With saplings to ward, good engage, and good peel.
ReplyDeleteSo why isnt talon god tier among all other champs, i get it swain is good... not god tier though strong tier one. Immobile adc's are a huge meta right now due to their massive damage ie. Kog even other champs with good amount of movement such as trist are very susceptible to a talon burst the only way to escape him is to qss flash in an instant he has an instant gap closer with basically no counter play or am i viewing him wrong?
ReplyDeleteTwisted fate requires a lot of awareness and positioning for bronze to gold. Having no escape and no reliable CC pushes him down to tier 2.
ReplyDeleteI have a huge problem with yorick placement at the moment as i know tier 2 isnt where he belongs. Yoricks ability to carry a game in solo que is gigantic and his top lane viability is only getting better with the meta shifts. Considering a lot of top laners fare very weakly vs him right now due to his great deuling potential, pushing, susain, poke and burst, and the fact the "strongest" top laners lack 100-0 capabilitys.
ReplyDeleteThe Hyper Carry Bot lane has only made his ultimate even more viable, considering you're allowing misplays (a common solo que thing) to be rendered for them to give 10 more seconds of auto attacks onto the enemy very valuable, which not only allows for them to be more strong via higher damage output but puts risk on the enemy where if they commit to heavily for the adc the reanimation of them can turn back the kill and maybe more onto the enemy team.
His Solo Que winrate has always been slightly above 50% but over the past month its gone up around 1.25% most likely due to the nature of the meta, right now hes at 51.48% which is incredibly high now. Only showing his viability increase.
Not to mention hes a very safe and flexible pick that can fit into any comp due to his all purpose kit bar pick comps with his lack of hard CC.
In lane its almost impossible to either force him back due to his insane sustain from his E, as well as the ability to literally permaslow via w, and great 1v1 potential due to his q which also adds to his great chasing potential via the speed boost. As well as his passive allowing him to do tremendous damage for building only a mamamune and gives % damage reduction which allows him to hypertank late game.
Come mid game the ability to zone and push waves helps when it comes to siegeing towers, as well as it being the point he has some cdr the ghouls can also provide vision on a consistent basis so no reason to feederino facechecking.
Twords late game his ult has reached 3 levels, keeping an adc at 75% ad for 10 more seconds during a teamifght where if it was a decent fight both sides often ends up in your favor due to the 6 (5 but cheating) people you have, which can be the game.
Yorick is at least tier 1 and deserves nothing lower from the aformentioned statement, i know people will most likely disagree with me. So share your thoughts, thats my 2 cents on this secret op champ currently.
Maybe I'm wrong but, until his mana and total damage out put is increased he seems to be balanced. Also, I don't think he is a very flexible champ. If you have an Ezreal or any ADC who loses lane and is denied farm, you're best team fight aspect goes down the drain.
ReplyDeleteYasuo top is better than mid? I still think Yasuo is tier 1 worthy in the midlane..
ReplyDeleteCan I ask why Vayne is so low? Given her recent buff, her attack speed buff, she scales much better. Also with her ult she gains extra attack damage giving an extra 70 damage which should help a lot late game. Last thing being her w passive. She just absolutely shred through anyone and if you build an IE and crit+attack speed items she can out duel anyone.
ReplyDeleteEh, yeah.
ReplyDeleteThat and I think Quinn should be tier 3 below Twitch. She really is a pretty bad ADC, much better top. Tier 2 top for sure.
This tier list takes data from ALL players; however, since the majority of players fall in the first three tiers, the majority of data points will come from there.
ReplyDeletePlease, it's not for the first three tiers. The creator is Diamond so it should even out any silly low elo shit.
Or else you'd see
GOD TIER MASTER YI, GOD TIER DARIUS, GOD TIER MALPHITE, GOD TIER AKALI.
It's just not for the first three tiers. You have to stop saying it is. It just isn't. It's more accurate for Plat/Dia/Challanger elo becuase SSJ is Diamond.
Burnout can no longer be extended past its intended maximum duration through the use of Dragon's Descent.
ReplyDeleteDragon's Descent's Flame Trail damage tick increased to once every 1 second from every .75 seconds.
Aren't these more so nerfs?
I'm curious if her overall W damage was nerfed, however - the wikia doesn't say so.
SWAIN GOD TIER :DDD Dude stop looking at winrates and write ur own opinion.
ReplyDeleteI can agree with you that people not knowing how to use him but there's another reason why. Yasuo is dependent on having knock up champions so he can use his ult, he may not need early game and mid game to get help but in late game he REALLY does need help with getting knock up. In most soloque games yasuo does not have a really good champions that have good knock up so thats technically why he has low winrate.
ReplyDeleteTrue. He relies on composition with knockups but since gragas, lulu, lee, nami are so popular it shoudnt be trouble
ReplyDeleteHmm just a few questions. Fiora's winrate has fallen recently but she hasn't received any buffs/nerfs. Any reasons why, you think?
ReplyDeleteSWAIN IS OP
ReplyDeleteI FUCKING SAID IT
I TOLD THEM ALL
BUT THEY DIDN'T LISTEN
THE ELO BIRD AUTOWINS LANE
THE MASTER FREELOTICIAN
THE ELO TYRANT
NERF THIS OP CHAMP
Any way Diana top could get added to the list? With the rise of squishy ranged top laners she's alongside Akali in terms of viability there, not to mention that she can build far tankier than Akali with little punishment.
ReplyDeletehe is only op in solo Que because he as a lot of everything for early mid and late. however in a team match his success rate does fall down a lot.
ReplyDeletei believe that the guy who makes the list is a diamond tier player and this list is for the majority of players which means bronze and silver. people in bronze and silver genarly dont know how to deal with a swain as hes a tanky mage that refuses to die.
ReplyDeleteINTERESTING MATH FACT:
ReplyDeleteThe reason why there are so many god tier junglers and they perform so well (better than the rest of lanes) is because of the overwhelming popularity of Lee Sin, together with his appaling winrate. This allows all enemy junglers to perform well in comparison.
People get obsessed with making flashy plays and high mobility (in ranked!), when in fact, Lee Sin needs to push an early game advantage to be relevant late game, or he falls off, and not all Bronze-Gold players can guarantee good ganks early. Together with his high skill cap, a bad Lee Sin is basically a 4v5 late game.
One good play with Lee Sin looks nice, but it will not win you the game or get you noticed by the LCS.
So all you players trying to rank up, complaining about "elo hell", ditch the blind monk and pick up Amumu, Warwick, Jarvan, Vi, Rammus, even Sejuani (she's making a comeback), and you can thank me later.
That said, you won't look as cool as dashing around with Lee Sin. But let's leave that for normal games.
Wukong can make good plays, while still having high base damage and scaling well late game. I think he's actually a very good champion and is under the radar right now.
ReplyDeleteTrue, Rammus is not the best vs AP, but he is a situational pick, and works amazing versus lots of enemy AD. So pick him when needed, not constantly.
J4... What can I say? Gap closer, knockup, team stat boost with E, slow, shield, amazing ult that forces Flashes and escapes, high base damage, naturally tanky, good presence both early and late... He has it all: Utility, damage and tankiness. <33333
I really need to pick up Swain... my friend predicted 5 months ago that Swain would be strong but I never would have guessed...
ReplyDeleteGood in soloq, meh in 5v5. No need to nerf
Singed needs to be protected and safe early game to reach his beast-like late game. This is kinda difficult in soloq and his winrate is actually below 50%.
ReplyDeleteYou gotta be smart while playing him and avoid getting countered by a strong early-game jungler or an annoying top laner.
Maokai support was moved up slightly this patch, he's an excellent peeler, but his engage is a bit weak without items in comparison to other support champions.
ReplyDeleteGraves did get buffed, and he may move back up to Tier 1 shortly; Tier 1 ADCs were getting a bit crowded but he's definitely at the top of the balanced pack right now. A lot of the high range ADCs are popular right now though, so his late game has a bit of trouble with getting kited by others.
ReplyDeleteYes, but in rebuttal, a decent Yorick can 3v1, maybe even 4v1 if he catches people in a decent position. (In terms of health, literal positioning, mana, etc.) If one were to run a few mana regen runes and get an early Dorans Ring, he is very hard to push out of lane, and can often turn ganks against him into double kills. (Additionally, I think he can be put above Karma top..thus putting him in tier 1. )
ReplyDeletePretty sure its because of Maokai and Gragas being top tier, both of them have damage reduction, so it's very hard for her to burst them...
ReplyDeleteMy question would be why Vladimir is so low, he's a top lane bully past 9 and pre 9 is still hard to kill thanks to the summoner spell usability while pooled.
ReplyDeleteJust curious, you put fiddlesticks as god tier because a lot of the counterjunglers are nerfed, but what about Hecarim? Surely he's been affected by that too, he has just as good of an ultimate, more mobility and faster clear times. He can carry harder in the late game in my opinion. Just wondering. Thanks in advance if you reply.
ReplyDeletewhy is lissandra mid bold?
ReplyDeleteYeah thank you very much, why can't you just be quiet? Nobody needs to know my real tier. Live and die by the blade!
ReplyDeleteSSJ has said himself it's more for Bronze to Gold. :/ He uses smurfs through out all elo for the tier list, not his main. He hasn't played his main for a week now yet, the list came out yesterday. AKA he doesn't use his main much for the tier lists. Master Yi, Darius, Malphite, Akali and Blitzcrank aren't even close to god tier in lower elo as well. I was giving insight on why Twisted Fate is fine where he is at, not an argument on what you think the tier list is for.
ReplyDeleteThe Age Where Noxus Rules Begins!!!!!!
ReplyDeleteyeah, now that I look at the tiers I think you're right that he deserves higher then Karma.
ReplyDeleteThe Age Where I Rule Begins!
ReplyDeleteThe Age Where I Rule Begins! - Swain
ReplyDeleteSwain has always been my favorite. Glad to see him where he belongs! I hope he doesn't get really popular (and then get nerfed) cause of this though.
ReplyDeleteSejuani mid?
ReplyDeleteThe tier list takes data from ALL players, but most of the players in Platinum~Challenger follow a meta closely proportional to the pros. I myself have just gotten into Platinum IV (WOOT), and found the meta very different.
ReplyDeleteLike DogeyDoge says, SSJ himself said it was Bronze~Gold, and most of what you said would be God if it was isn't true in the slightest. Just an example is Darius, which has a terrible win rate in Bronze.
You do realize this tier list targets Bronze~Gold, right?
ReplyDeletewhere is thresh?
ReplyDeleteCan it be, my precious Fizz is GOD tier?
ReplyDeleteI think, like lissandra. that Swain top should be god-tier and mid be high tier-1. Mostly due to range and the sustained damage role. Also I still think Poppy top, and jungle deserve tier-1 :)
ReplyDeleteThen it should be called "low elo soloq tier list" :)
ReplyDeleteGold isn't low elo.
ReplyDeleteAnd it's self-explanatory that most tier lists are Bronze~Gold. Even metalol, reignofgaming, and cloth5 have the same rules.
Dude, stop with this stuff already. SSJ has said many a time, this tier list is for bronze-gold mainly. Mainly as in the only influence plat and diamond will have is his own personal bias a bit at times since he is diamond. I've seen you complain about this at least once before, you're wrong. If you're so high elo stop looking at this and whining about how its set up, because it is a tier list that includes bronze, silver, and gold. Go make your own high elo tier-list that no one will read.
ReplyDeleteWhat!?! I just got to plat V myself, and I don't notice a shift in meta since Silver really, as I still "fill" and haven't really decided on maining a role. I do not see a shift in meta, only a skill change.
ReplyDeleteYou don't see a shift in the amount of mid Yasuos? Really?
ReplyDeleteOr the amount of Lucians...
For god sake a major example is the top lane.
Well, yes because some of those are high-skill cap champions, so it's only logical to see them more often. But, I also still see some people saying that Master yi and Tryndamere top's are broken. That is rough for some people who main "Troll" picks like me. (I main Teemo if you are curious :D). And I still get after going 9/2/10 Why can't you just play a real champ. :)
ReplyDeleteWell with different skill means different meta.
ReplyDeleteAlso, sorry about you being trolled. I sometimes pull out teemo as well :D
Wukong's best roles is mid. He absolutely dominates squishy aps, roams well, scales well. I can tell you haven't seen or tried it. He really should be a god tier mid laner. Idk, tf should be tier 1 as he can carry solo queu easily and in low elos noone is ever cautoius that tf is level 6 and games are often carried from there. As for yasuo, he's mostly good in arranged play because he's easily cced if done the wrong thing, and needs a team built around him to be effective at all. Sure, he's good in low elos because they don't know how to cc him but he was made for arranged play (where his win rate is significantly higher).
ReplyDeletehe wont get mid for the same reason that amumu wont get nerfed and thats that he doesnt effect the team game and is only op in solo que due to his abilty to be a tank mage lane domanation ultra sustain machine.
ReplyDeleteMy personal tier list this patch
ReplyDeleteTop lane gods: Maokai>Swain>Tryndamere>Ryze(?)
Jungle gods: Amumu>Rammus>Fiddlesticks
Mid lane gods: Wukong
Adc gods:Kog'maw>Jinx>Tristana>Lucian
Support gods:Morgana>Nami>Leona(?)
This is my opinion so I don't suggest switching over to match this. Agree? Disagree? Feedback is appreciated.
reasons for swain in god tier
ReplyDelete1 ultra sustain
2 can become very tanked for a mage
3 lots of aoe for team fights
4 not to item reliant
5 he has the best bitch please walk in the game
6 he dominates laning phase against so meny of the main mids
7 lots of cc
8 never runs out of mana
9 i could go on for a while.
Reasons why Swain SHOULDN'T be in God Tier:
ReplyDelete1. Way too mana reliant (desparately needs blue buff, what do you mean never runs out of mana?)
2. Terrible mobility
3. Mana hungry (repeat, very mana hungry, ult takes a lot)
4. Difficult early game
5. Atrocious mid game that's susceptible to high burst
6. CC is hard to land when not at close range (Woohoo for Syndra and Orianna, 2 popular mids)
7. Still has some trouble with burst late game
8. High Ranged champions can rip him in half
9. Healing debuffs can kill him off easier
10. I can go on for more as well
I really don't know where this perception of Swain being really good come from. His win rate is largely based off the few amount of people who play him. High elo he's atrocious, low elo even more so.
At some point i do agree with you. Anyway reignofgaming and cloth5 is way more accurate than this one.
ReplyDeleteYour reliance on saying hes mana hungy make me just think ur not a good swain any good swain will not run out of mana.
ReplyDeleteAre you joking?
ReplyDeleteDo you have ANY idea how many pros have said (and mobafire guides/lolking guides nonetheless) how RELIANT Swain is on blue buff?
There's even forums talking about how mana reliant Swain is.
Even a good swain will run out of mana.
Dude swain is shit.. Anyone who knows how to play against him can win lane easily
ReplyDeleteThis is true
ReplyDeleteInteresting, and what pray tell is this easy win strategy against Swain?
ReplyDeleteYoricks good but he sits in a similar position to Zilean to make the full use out of him you need someone who is doing well. Also his ult still gives the kill to the enemy if it procs, wtf rito why.
ReplyDeleteQuick teamfights, as swain does well in long teamfights. Heal debuffs and ignite works wonders against him. Mobile champs also do extremely well, able to dodge his abilities as well as zone and deny his farm. Swain also has problems with wave clearing, which mids can take advantages of. Long ranged harass works as well, and asking your jungler to gank him mid-lane works wonders as well.
ReplyDeleteHe's an assassin with few escapes, bar fancy enemy jumping with e and stealthing which still shows where you are thanks to the bladed following you. This means he needs to have everyone low in tfs so that they don't then turn and kill you. But if you are just picking people off and killing towers Talon is second only to Fizz
ReplyDelete99% of high elo players have their own opinions that generally follow the meta (hence where the meta comes from. Meanwhile, Yasuo received heavy nerfs this patch, and while his potential to execute a high impact play is there, his ability to attempt a failed high impact play is just as high.
ReplyDeleteAt the end of the day his only defensive moves are to be continuously aggressive, which tends to work about half the time.
Swain is a mid lane champion that has not been touched for a very long time. Meanwhile, repeated nerfs on other mid laners and counterjunglers have pretty much made it so that getting blue is a cakewalk. Swain with blue is not to be trifled with.
Swain just most of the popular champs and does every well. Lissandra top should be higher. The short q cd plus instant aoe root plus high mobility plus an insane ult. Not god but very high t1. Poppy only becomes useful in the very late game. No escapes and easily denied. Jungle I think she be very low t2 thanks to good ganks and can be versatile in her builds. But she counter jungled very easily.
ReplyDeleteI have other opinion. All these champions will push hard and make him miss cs also they're mobile to prevent ganks.
ReplyDeleteThat's not true for Zed. Swain can take care of his abilities really well when talking equal skill level.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ahri, but as good as Yasuo is, he has to get close to pull off his amazing jukes and combos, and that's where Swain just takes hold and kablooms him into smithereens.
How is Swain a Top and Mid lane god? you can just dive in his face and he cant do shit
ReplyDeleteAgreed she's very powerful in top and its very easy to get to her powerful stage. T2 maybe even low t1
ReplyDeleteIf minion wave is pushed there's no way he can win trades since all minions attacks him and his minions is too far away to take action.
ReplyDeleteDive in his face while he laughs and heals more than you do while comboing you with massive dot.
ReplyDeleteThat's way too situational, and most Swains won't do something like that if they really want CS.
ReplyDeleteHe heals off minions. With my experience his trade is deceptively strong even pre 6.
ReplyDeleteThis is how you counter swain. Make him cs under tower so he will use abillities and since he's very reliant on mana there's no way he can win trade's without blue buff.
ReplyDeleteFiora doesn't actually mind Gragas that much. She has enough mobilty (lunge) to ignore barrels. Her w ignores Grgas's w aa, and trading ults often goes in Fiora's favour. I haven't played enough Fiora vs Maokai to see how it goes. In general Bronze-Gold Gragas' (Gragi?) are fairly sub par as shown by the lower win rate and the lack of actual team fights and more picking off people who are isolated.
ReplyDeleteHer win rate literally went down to 50% this patch. Do you have any idea what caused that. And can't fiora dodge gragas ult with her ult?
ReplyDeleteVery marginally, not really noticeable unles you do the math (which is my weak point on this so sorry if wrong, she feels like she's very similar damage)
ReplyDeleteI woudnt call these nerfs heavy. Its just more easy to trade with him :)
ReplyDeleteWhy is Skarner tier 2? He's really strong still.
ReplyDeleteWhen I said trading ults I meant that but I worded that badly. I think that Maokai and other lock down champs can shut her down early and stop her from moving, I'm not too sure cause I'm a silver player and in most cases Fiora can either a)roam freely or b)beat out top lane and split push and often just feels auto win. It'll probably be the introduction of Hyper Tanks (Maokai, Mundo)or Snowball Champs (like Fiora, Irelia) meaning she'll either not be able to burst down someone as effectively or if she doesn't win the early trades the other champ will snowball harder
ReplyDeleteMore like tier 3. The negatives he's always had were overshadowed when he got the stacking stun, and now with the nerfs, he's suffered.
ReplyDeleteNo gap closer, heavily blue buff dependent, no innate dash, easy to dodge fracture, a worse early game than Sejuani, if you are shutdown/fall behind you're out for the rest of the game, his ganks pre-6 are terrible, too reliant on getting close to do damage, ult is sometimes hard to pull off well, has somewhat of a skill cap, and is heavily reliant on his team.
Add fizz mid and replace trynde with warwick and that would be fairly accurate
ReplyDeleteThe Black Rose shall bloom once more
ReplyDeleteHaven't seen too much fizz lately or warwick, so I have not too good of an idea on how strong they are. As for tryndamere, I've had a scarring experience against him, you do not want to see he overwhelming amount of legendarily fed tryndameres I did. But i guesa i'll edit and add fizz and ww.
ReplyDeleteThis. I would put Wukong Top in high Tier 1 and Wukong Mid in God Tier. He can easily stomp his lanes if played correctly, and building Mobis/Swifties lets him roam and snowball other lanes as well. Another plus is that if you abuse his absurdly high damage ratios and build 3-4 raw damage items (Hydra, LW, Cleaver, Maw), he can delete both carries off the map by simply stealthing to their backline (which is EXTREMELY effective in this meta, since AD Carries are of such high value). Learning Wukong can easily carry you to Platinum.
ReplyDeleteHe has no gap closer but he can stick on enemies super easily, he can do a lot of damage while still being relatively tanky and if he isn't ahead he still has his ult. He is one of the best jungle duelers also and his ganks are decent if you can land fracture, If he does get ahead however, he can give kills to his team easily if needed, otherwise he can just dish out tons of damage
ReplyDeleteTook the words right out of my mouth.
ReplyDeleteYeaaaaaaaaah my Kayle is Tier 2, I hope I WON'T see her god tier ever again.
ReplyDeleteI don't want to deal with the 80% banrate.
By the way I cannot accept her to be just below Viktor LOL
I wouldn't say she's extremely hard. I would say that she is just too easily abused pre-6, and most low elo players don't know how to play the lane correctly. Plus, Pink Wards and Oracle Lenses. She CAN snowball extremely hard, but if you subdue her, you should be able to deal with her very easily. If she hits, she hits hard. If she misses, she can throw the game. IMO, that's why she's Tier 2.
ReplyDeleteI am just trying to add on a little bit, since he's WAY too good to be so underplayed.
ReplyDeleteYou have to admit they fucked up her AP ratios mate.
ReplyDeleteWait why the Diana drop? Did the meta shift indirectly nerf her
ReplyDeleteYea they did but it's not the only way to build her and she can still burst pretty easily with Lich Bane (Nothing comparable to 4.1 Kayle), or being (yes, she still is) a dps monster with Runaan's.
ReplyDeleteThey didn't remove her ability to reduce the Armor/Magic Resistance of 3 targets (with Runaan's) and the current mastery tree still makes her soo much stronger than what you see on tooltips (Blade Weaving, Spell weaving, u know?)
Yea she is weaker but to me she is still strong enough, I find her balanced now and she's still getting buffed in the next patch maybe (Reverting Attack Speed nerfs, from 2.2% to 2.5%).
Fiddlesticks is really good right now and can carry incredibly hard at all stages of the game, only downside is his incredible margin of error. I'm not gonna argue about hecarim extremely strong cc and good ganks. Also his damage with elder lizard and IBG is insane (Though falls off hard late game it is much higher than people would expect).
ReplyDeleteI meant that was the best explanation I've heard on this website about wukong, I could tell you play a lot of wukong.
ReplyDeleteSo I want to try Maoki Top help me with item build here. cant think of an item to rush, but I am thinking this so far I am thinking Iceborn gauntlets and abysal scepter. I am really not sure of what to build as I have never played Maoki and im Gold 4. any thoughts anyone.
ReplyDeleteRoA is the key!!
ReplyDeletesee i was thinking ROA also but it would become redundant with mana if I got ROD and Iceborn gauntlets or frozen heart it would temp me to get an archangel staff and see how much AP i can get from mana although that would be interesting just fling out constant saplings.
ReplyDeleteCan someone pls explain why maokai got to top god tier? Havent seen anything about it so im just curious.
ReplyDeleteFUCK no he cannot stick on enemies easily. He's extremely vulnerable to CC, and he CAN'T deal a lot of damage if he suffers so much to TRY to stick to someone. When he's ahead, his ult provides utility, but he fails to get up close and too many people know how to handle it. The last sentence is just situational and doesn't happen. Have you seen his win rate?
ReplyDeleteI'm Plat IV and I've been following this list since Season 2-ish and never seen him say "his is for Bronze to Gold"
ReplyDeletebecause I know nobody is dumb enough to compare Bronze play to Gold play.
WHO IS THE MAN WITH INFINITE SUSTAIN? SWAIN, HOP ON THE TRAIN, THE SWAIN MAIN PAIN TRAIN, FOR ELO GAIN.
ReplyDeleteAgain, you've been away for 6 patches.
ReplyDeleteIt's just common knowledge. Point me a tier list that dictates that it's for all tiers.
Even metalol, cloth5, reignofgaming, and forum tier lists are Bronze~Gold.
For god's sake metalol even uses aggregate data from Bronze~Gold only because that's where most of the data of solo queue comes from.
Congrats on Plat IV
ReplyDeleteThanks. It took duo queues, a lot of lucky provisional matches (Read: actual good ADCs I could support), and maining high tiered champions on this tier list!
ReplyDeleteThis tier list is really helpful.
RoA, Frozen heart/Spirit visage, spirit visage/Frozen heart, Sunfire/Randuins, Banshees veil
ReplyDeleteMercs or tabi depends on team
That is probably the best build atm you dont want to get more damage then is needed your job is to get really tanky and be unstoppable not to go in and try to 1 shot the carry. That is why you get RoA then full tank.
Thanks man that explains alot to me and i think the recent vayne buff could be a bit of a setback for graves. I've had a bad game where i won lane hard but there vayne got a few kills and started tumbling out of all my abilities even my ult which led to my ultimate demise and the game loss.
ReplyDeletebtw i love your tier list it explains alot to me :).
When I mention "win rates" most of it does comprise of Bronze - Gold simply because that's where a strong majority of players lie. When I mention "potential" then it generally indicates something more along the lines of plat - diamond wisdom.
ReplyDeleteWhen I mention "strength" then it indicates some varying combination of the two, and depending on the situation may weigh more or less in one.
I consider gold statistics as a good baseline for understanding champion strengths, but surprisingly there are very few champions with strong variations in win rate between Bronze, Gold, and Diamond.
While it's easy to say "high Elo players can hit skillshots more often than low Elo players", it's also just as easy to say "high Elo players can dodge skillshots more often than low Elo players".
Depending on the champion in question, you're all correct in one case or another.
Only thing I'm not seeing is the Maokai top. It's so easy to simply ignore mao and continue farming. A champion like Nasus or Yasuo could take the free farm and turn it into an easy victory. I've played against it a couple times and it's been on my team a couple times. Every time it's been stomped and the enemy laner carried. Maybe when people learn how to play it better, I'll accept it but I don't see that ever happening to be honest. (PROS PLAY IT, SO CAN I herr derr)
ReplyDelete51.34%? That isn't bad at all. He can stick on people extremely eeasily with his speed boosts, slow, and passive stun. Obviously he'd susceptible to CC, otherwise he'd be way too strong. Skarner's a great jungler and champion and I think he should be tier 1 for sure.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Janna's move. I've used her and she was very weak some weeks ago, but this week she has been amazing. I've played her 4 times, only lose one and the KDA promedium is 0.5-3.5-17.5
ReplyDeleteAre you kidding? Singed counters very few top laners and gets countered by most of them. Now that Lulu is a top lane staple, he's in an even worse spot. I'd say Singed is weaker this season than at any other point.
ReplyDeleteWhy is Talon Tier 1???
ReplyDeleteBecause he has insane sustain, extreme stickiness for when he receives ganks, his w does % health so even if you build hp it doesnt matter, he has decent wave clear if you give him some ap (like RoA), he has an ridiculously low cooldown for his game/lane changing ult
ReplyDeleteGraves got buffed and droped to tier 2, why? :O
ReplyDeleteI don't play Diana, so I wouldn't know for sure, but my guess is that the hard initiate meta out-damage her on fair grounds and shes a bit squishy. It could also be that other assassins just outshine her too. Katarina, Talon, and Ahri all have way more snowball potential
ReplyDeleteYour tier list fucking blows LMAO
ReplyDelete"he doesnt affect the team game"... You are wrong in that point.... Both amumu and swain thrive in team fights. The only reason they won't get nerfed is because they are way underplayed. Have you seen their popularity?
ReplyDeleteBeing a person who bought vlad as there second champ I would like to agree with you. But the problem is that there is too much counter-play involved in laning. He's basically a feast or famine sort of champ. Based off his win ratio, he's most certainly starving
ReplyDeletebut on second thought I see what you are saying, its a difference between soloq
ReplyDeleteOr you could read his notes :)
ReplyDeleteAdd Nunu top! Great harass and sustain with decent damage and tankiness.
ReplyDeleteNasus top=Op
ReplyDeleteThat really doesn't roll off the tongue too well
ReplyDeleteHe's being played quite a bit competitively at the moment.
ReplyDeleteGood sustain and decent damage without really needing too many damage items. Some pretty solid CC and item-independent strength as well. Generally, people opt for Rod of Ages first on him then seem to prioritize tankiness. His ult is pretty darn strong too. Max R > Q > W > E.
He's very strong defensively, and can initiate well with a Flash -> W.
If the meta begins to shift towards tank junglers at any point in the near future, I think we'll see him played quite a bit there (competitively, I mean) as well. Definitely God Tier at the moment if your team understands how to play with a Maokai (it's not too much more complicated than with other champions, but to get the most out of Maokai you really need to be utilizing his ult as a team).
I think this is a change of mind on the author's part, mostly. Graves is definitely stronger himself after Patch 4.13, save for the changes to Banshee's Veil which reduce the strength of all ADCs.
ReplyDeleteMostly, Graves isn't too strong right now due to the itemization of ADCs. The "AD heavy" path of itemization for ADCs is much weaker than the attack speed/critical chance path of itemization, and that translates into gameplay in that champions who build BotRK, Infinity Edge, or Statikk Shiv (not totally convinced on Statikk Shiv first myself, but some people quite enjoy it) first and tend to build around those items do better than champions who opt for BTs and ERs. Oh, champions who build Trinity Force first are also strong right now as well, though they aren't really controlling the meta.
Once we see changes to ADC items, we'll see more Graves.
He's an extremely consistent assassin who fairs well against most mid-laners at the moment.
ReplyDeleteLots of damage and little outplay potential due to his silence.
I would disagree that his pre-6 ganks are awful. He's got a decent slow and a stun as well as a fair amount of damage if you take any sort of offensive runes/masteries.
ReplyDeleteBut, I haven't really been playing him much lately, or seeing him, so I can't speak to his effectiveness too much.
I think he's still Tier 1, though perhaps low Tier 1.
I play a bit of Poppy, so I'll comment quickly on her strength.
ReplyDeleteShe's got a good early game, and a good late-game. Her mid-game is only good if she does well in the early game.
In order to do the necessary damage with her, you want a Trinity Force first, then a Hextech Gunblade. With those two items she's generally more than capable of one-shotting squishies for the entire game. Afterwards, I'll generally get a BotRK, then a Last Whisper and Void Staff, so that I can tear through bruisers a bit easier as well. Last Whisper goes a long way in dealing with AP mids who get Zhonya's. Phantom Dancer is also a very strong item on Poppy, as she makes use of its passive better than perhaps any other champion. The crits you can achieve with this item and Triforce are insane as well.
I think she's at the top of Tier 2 for top-lane, and around the middle of Tier 3 for jungle due to her blue dependency.
I've seen it once, and it was once too many.
ReplyDeleteI don't think I want to endure another one on my team ever again.
With the meta shifting to hyper-carries, more champions with strong defensive attributes are being played. Fiora doesn't do too well when she's up against champions like Maokai who really mitigate her diving strength.
ReplyDeleteNasus with enough stacks = OP.
ReplyDeleteNasus otherwise = dog with stick.
His strength totally depends on how well he's able to survive the laning phase, and with champions like Shyvana being so popular, he's having a bit of a tough time.
Of course, he's very meta otherwise. I think in a patch or two we'll be seeing a lot more of him, for better or worse.
I just hit plat within 50 wins with a 70% winrate on Warwick top. It's great how nobody plays it and how ridiculous it is. There's very few people who actually can beat him.
ReplyDeleteThank you for showing me the way of Warwick top. 70% winrate on him and I hit plat within 50 games.
ReplyDeleteHmm idk though her winrate and pickrate went down instantly at patch 4.13, so I was wondering if it was because of some sort of bug, because she wasn't changed (neither was maokai)
ReplyDeleteCongrats Figgots! You can probably still go farther considering how many people refuse to acknowledge his strength. Good luck!
ReplyDeleteGuess you're not reading then, for somebody that's such a big fan you seem to be fairly ignorant on this subject. To make insults like that is to insult the admin, SSJ himself because that is precisely what this tier-list is meant for. I've been a fan since beginning of season 3, and I've seen him mention it twice.
ReplyDeleteIf you don't mind explaining, what are you doing that is so great with him? Such high praise everywhere, yet when I play him I get stomped up top. What do you do against someone ranged? Or someone that simply melee out-damages you? I'm in the position that I have to ask for a gank to get a kill when I play him top lane, otherwise I'm screwed up there.
ReplyDeletetbh, most champs are balanced right now. The god tier is similar to tier 1...
ReplyDeleteNot versus anyone strong early game, including Garen...
ReplyDeleteUsed to be broken at the beginning of Season 4, but tier 3 now(CTRL+F, or command+f for macs). Nerfs to his sustain hurt him wayyy too much.
ReplyDeleteYeah that's true, but late game he's basically unkillable in teamfights, and he has less of a margin for error then fiddlesticks. Pony should be at least tier 1 or low god tier if Fiddles is so high
ReplyDeleteI dont agree with this but I think it is due to Caitlyn being everywhere. He should definitely be above Corki though.
ReplyDeleteHecarim is extremely strong late game, if that wasn't already obvious. I don't see the placement as being tier 3 is absurd. Haven't seen too much but he's at least tier. I once saw a hecarim do crazy damage and could even 1v1 me as wukong mid game and I was shocked. But it seems like the elder lizard ibg build's damage falls off hard as he basically became a non-factor and we won that game. But regardless of how good he actually is I like when he is on my team and dislike when he's on the enemy team.
ReplyDeletebecause your a mid or feed moron.
ReplyDeleteI suppose I'm not entirely sure, then. There's nothing in 4.13 that's directly pertinent to her strength.
ReplyDeleteWin rates do just tend to fluctuate a bit, though. Give it a few days, and check to see how her win rate is evolving under the new patch.
Twiddle i asked the same question and SSJ said: Graves did get buffed, and he may move back up to Tier 1 shortly; Tier 1 ADCs were getting a bit crowded but he's definitely at the top of the balanced pack right now. A lot of the high range ADCs are popular right now though, so his late game has a bit of trouble with getting kited by others.
ReplyDeleteBlitzcrank higher than thresh?
ReplyDeleteHe is an amazing mid laner for sure but without ult he lacks escapes and if his combo cant at least get someone down to 20% hp then he will have a hard time. also it should be noted that this list usually bases itself off win rates and some people do not know how to use him properly.
ReplyDeletewin rate most likely and its good to know that blitz is much more easier to use then thresh and thats what puts him down is that he requires skill to use while with blitz its easy to use him that you are less likely to screw up.
ReplyDeleteyou got a point there but you must remember that this list is based of win rates partly. the reason why there is a god tier is the champs that are up there have a good place in the current meta.
ReplyDeleteI feel as if Darius should be in god tier for top. He makes life a living hell for melee's and is one of few capable champions that can fight you in any stage of the game even when behind. Also when losing to Darius its hard to itemize because he his passive does magic damage, his abilities and AA do physical and his ult does true damage, not to mention the armor pen he gets from apprehend. He's one of those people were ganking is a waste of time because i mistake can give him an easy double kill with his ult reset
ReplyDeletei think he is good where he is. yes he does a lot of damage even when behind he is decent in a team fight and is tanky but he is slow so ADCs can kite him easily if he misses apprehend and ganks are actually easy to achieve on him. He is no doubt a strong champ but he is not deserving of god tier.
ReplyDeleteI agree its easy to kite him and early ganks can really take a toll on him but it also gets to the point where gets a few tanky items and becomes unkillable in a 2v1. again the ult reset, Btw, i think Maokai is extremely overrated is gonna end up like skarner v2
ReplyDeletethat is also true you make a fair point my good sir.
ReplyDeleteand on maokai you need to remember that this tier list is partly based on win rates not only that but the change they gave maokai and other junglers getting nerfed means lots of his old weaknesses have been abolished.
SSJ did an explanation about it look for it and youll probably understand.
you hating on viktor mate? O.o XD
ReplyDeleteAnyway i would love to see a high elo tier list from you :)
ReplyDeletemao kai top is not strong and will never suceed in solo queue as a top laner. You cant carry as this champion and he should stay in the jungle. That is literally the most absurd and hipster thing ive ever seen on this site. Maokai is heavily dependent on items and has lack of disengage to have actually good harass leaving him as a practice dummy in lane.
ReplyDeleteMAOKAI GOD TIER TOP IS BAFFLING TO SEE
I've been accused of many things, but I think this is the first time I've been called "hipster"
ReplyDeleteMaokai is surprisingly strong as support - providing great cc and zone potential with his saplings and W+Q combo; whilst providing safety to his carry with a shields, roots, knockback and slows up the wazoo.
ReplyDeleteI don't think he gets enough credit for this.
:D I just try to play out of meta picks! More fun.
ReplyDeletewell, that escalated quickly
ReplyDeleteZed is back for sure! Assassins in general are in a great spot now because of kog/trist being used so much. Also, much fewer tanks in the top lane makes assassins able to sucessfuly gank any lane in most games.
ReplyDeleteHe's actually just copying what the LCS did. The opposite of "hipster". And really he isn't God Tier. He is good at the LCS because he is a strong tank and helps the team stay up, along with a better laning phase then Mundo. However in Soloqueue, you can't rely on your team like you can in the LCS.
ReplyDeleteZiggs is still, by far, the best Mid Laner. Don't know why you removed him from God Tier, even if you did want to slip in Swain.
ReplyDeleteHey man what do you build on your wukong mid?
ReplyDeletethe recent patch has done wonders, but Morgana is still op
ReplyDeleteWhy is Nunu so low on the list, he's one of the best counter junglers in the game and hasn't even been touched.
ReplyDeleteHe's been weak for a long time despite not being touched. He's got a lot stronger now though so I agree.
ReplyDeletegood point on hipster thing kinda....Still its something that has never really been thunk of in solo queue so in my eyes hipster. But all in all it sounds like your agreeing with me???
ReplyDeleteYasuo tier 1 top, but tier 2 mid? Yasuo is a popular and a good choice for mid lane. He can easily cs, and easily annoy ranged jungles with his windwall, and block out skills from ap mid laners. Yasuo tier 1 mid please. Lulu tier 2 support? With the crazy cc with the ability to bruise partially too, Lulu I'd say is a tier 1 support. But the Maokai choice of top lane god, I like it, with his tanky-self and the ability to destroy bruisers, he is awesome top.
ReplyDeleteok so here is how i see it. You're looking at darius as if hes some kind of overpowered top laner that destroys everyone, when in fact hes as useless as having a master yi in your team. The only time darius is actually so god damn overpowered and seems unkillable is when he's super fed and hes 7-0 and that doesn't seem overpowered to me cause every champion seems "overpowered" when they are fed. During the laning phase, this is were darius does the best (early game). All you have to do is play safe and not feed darius and he becomes the most useless champion ever. The thing that makes him so damn useless is that if he goes the damage darius build he's super squishy with absolutely no escape so hes gonna get focused and destroyed in an instant without actually managing to deal the final blow with his ult. If the player decides to go the tanky darius build (which what everyone usually builds) he's going to be the weakest shit ever in team fights and he might kill 1 or 2 persons by finishing them with his ult but his other abilities will be so weak that it makes him HEAVILY rely on his team to deal the damage and then finishing them off with his ult. Honestly i don't think you should even compare darius to maokai because late game maokai shits on darius and maokai's teamfight capabilities are 3x better than that of darius because maokai has damage reduction AND a root for 2 seconds which will catch out ADCs.
ReplyDelete2 things i think about nunu
ReplyDelete1: hes the worst jungler for solo Q and he brings absolutely nothing apart from counter jungling
2: if you're talking about 5 vs 5 premade teams and u want a comp to protect the adc such as kog maw or you want a jungler with insane disengage then nunu is amazing. but as far as solo Q goes he's terrible
I do AD runes and start with a doran's ring. That gives AP/regen for your Q to be able to sustain you against just about anything. Literally the only top lane I've lost to is Zac, all the others you at LEAST go even with them. Basically you just keep sustain and poke a little with your Q until you hit 3, which is usually when you can start trying to wittle them down with Q's and auto attacks. Against range it's basically just farm as much as you can until you get enough for a chain vest, at which point you can seperate them from the minions. A lot of it is just waiting for them to mess up and let you get a Q in.
ReplyDeleteAlways start doran's ring, always. No matter what. The AP gives you more heals, the mana regen/passive gives you more sustained mana. There's never a reason to not go doran's ring. You're exactly right about extended trades, though. The longer the fight goes on, the better. People think they can win it until your Q comes up for a second round, at which point your passive will probably kick in and let you keep up and grab an early kill. Don't be afraid to just right click and let Warwick do the work for you.
ReplyDeleteThe way I ranked up to platinum was to just spam amumu and bank carries, the other thing that helped me tons was to take all chat off. And to duo with people as much as possible. Preferably solo laners :P
ReplyDelete"Victory Awaits" -Swain
ReplyDeletewell 1 is a very small sample size
ReplyDeleteAlright, I'll provide a bit of context for my reasoning on Sejuani mid.
ReplyDeleteShe doesn't have any sort of escape mechanism once she engages, lacks the AOE damage of a mage, lacks the single target damage of an assassin, and has to be alive for the entire duration of her W to properly utilize the damage it offers.
All of those things together mean that she's better when built for tankiness/survivability rather than damage, as I would assume you would when playing Sejuani mid.
She also has absolutely no strength in lane, and most mid-laners will tear her apart before she ever has a chance to get close.
Hm?
ReplyDeleteHis ganking isn't too bad, given he's got a strong movement speed slow that does a lot of damage and an ability which gives movement speed and attack speed to a teammate, which makes his ganks for bot lane extremely strong (also top-lane on most champions).
His chase potential is also ridiculous, and his disengage/defensive potential makes him a very strong choice alongside all popular ADCs at the moment.
He also does a ton of damage without even building AP.
I think he's low Tier 1 in the jungle right now, since his skillset doesn't cater well to certain team compositions. In the majority of circumstances, though, he can be a very valuable choice.
If anything, he's far from the WORST jungler for solo queue, as you suggest.
well ok i didn't mean hes the WORST jungler because obviously there are many worse junglers out there. As far as his lane ganks go i don't think they are very good. While he does get movement speed from blood boil it just isn't enough to cover the fact that he has no gap closer and he relies on his snowball to hit. If it does land though and the others are not in tower range yet then it might turn into a kill Surely though his lane ganks aren't the best out there. When it comes to team fights this is were nunu shines. He has great disengage, high damage and great slow with his ult and blood boil helps beef up the adc. I personally wouldn't suggest nunu in solo Q because team work is a must when playing nunu jungle but if there is a 5 vs 5 premade team and you want someone with amazing protection for the adc, then he is the go to jungler
ReplyDeleteJunglers and mid lane are getting much tankier though
ReplyDeleteYou don't gank a jungler during laning phase.
ReplyDeletethere is a diamond 1 who mains it, mister oink. Not to say it's viable or anything, I laughed my ass off when I heard about him.
ReplyDeleteHow does Singed and Yorick fit the top meta?
ReplyDeleteI agree with Swain being God Tier. Although i don't like seeing it.... I like my Swain being less well known to people....
ReplyDeleteAs a Lucian main, I believe he should be moved down to the top of tier 1. The CD nerfs really hurt his earlygame, and I ended up missing out on a couple kills early game because my E was on CD, costing me the lane in the end. Additionally, against any lane with Slow CC, Lucian will be a lot more vulnerable, leading to his overall performance suffering.
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