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Jan 13, 2013

2013 Hero Tier List - Solo Queue - Pre-Thresh Patch Updated (January)

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SEASON 3 - PRE-THRESH PATCH SOLO QUEUE TIER LIST


1/16/2013 Note:
The recent Preseason Balance Update 2 released 3 days after this tier list was made implements a LOT of new balance changes, which means I may have to update this list in a week or two when the changes become apparent...fun stuff!

Preface Chatter
With the tournaments going on all over the place I thought this would be a good time to update the tier list since a lot has changed since the beginning of the Vi patch. The Vi Patch tier list will auto-direct to this page for a little while so search engines won't be confused, but rest assured that it'll be archived to see later for those of you interested in revisions.

I know a lot of you would prefer a more stable schedule for the Tier List updates, but it's really just whenever some sweeping changes need to be made or a lot of balance changes are hitting. I'll change it at least once a month though! Anyway, check it out and post your thoughts in the comment section!

The Tier List
Tier 1: Kha'ZixEvelynn, Zyra, Amumu, Nocturne, Katarina, Shen, Darius, Nidalee, Jax, Malphite, Rumble, Twisted Fate, Elise, Ezreal, Miss FortuneTaric, Corki, Morgana, Caitlyn, Lee Sin, Blitzcrank, Talon, Ryze, Karthus, Sona, Cho'gath, Lux, Lulu, Orianna, Shaco, Graves

Tier 2: Olaf, Ashe, Master Yi, Riven, Teemo, Pantheon, Twitch, Fiddlesticks, Dr. Mundo, Kayle, Jarvan IV, Jayce, Gragas, Nunu, Ahri, Singed, Cassiopeia, Xin Zhao, Irelia, Skarner, Nautilus, Vladamir, Alistar, Renekton, Zed, Thresh, Mordekaiser, Soraka, Leona, Janna, Galio, Vayne, Maokai, Anivia, Tristana

Tier 3: Kog'Maw, Kennen, Vi, Wukong, Akali, Sivir, Draven, Varus, Nami, Shyvana, Gangplank, Warwick, Yorick, Syndra, Sion, Kassadin, Fizz, Swain, Annie, Brand, Viktor, Veigar, Diana, Malzahar, Garen, Xerath, Zilean, Rengar

Tier 4: Urgot, Rammus, Hecarim, Udyr, Heimerdinger, Ziggs, Trundle, Sejuani, Volibear, Tryndamere, Poppy, Leblanc, Nasus, Fiora, Karma

  • Heroes in BOLD I will talk about shortly
  • Heroes in Italics may be over/undervalued, but aren't/haven't played enough for me to make a better judgement.


Hero Explanations 
  • Diana - The nerfs are still hitting her hard. She's nothing like she used to be, and is simply unreliable at the moment.
  • Evelynn - The same reasons she was ridiculously OP before are still present today. Her roaming and ganking ability from mid are almost unparallelled, and forcing supports to buy pinks to stay alive gives your bot lane an automatic gold advantage.
  • Kayle - Kayle mid is extremely strong right now, and not only beats many normal AP mids, but also beats many of the popular AD bruisers mid lane very easily.
  • Kha'Zix - Kha'Zix is extremely powerful right now. His snowballing and burst abilities basically makes him an AD version of Katarina with stronger poke at the cost of needing to use mana.
  • Master Yi - AP Yi is very potent at the moment, and his waveclear and snowballing ability can turn the tide of a game by himself at any moment.
  • Miss Fortune - Her laning phase is ridiculously easy and can trade with pretty much any lane and come out on top. Her ult is also very faceroll at a decent range, which gives her great success in solo queue.
  • Nami - While her skillset IS very good, against supports like Taric and Lulu she really lacks reliability.
  • Rengar - Nerfs hit him very hard, he's still playable, but nowhere near the level he was before.
  • Shaco - Box aggro changes have REALLY made him very very strong. 
  • Taric - Seriously strong in solo queue, he's very reliable and fits in great with the meta. I'd actually like to place him higher, but lots of you would complain if a suppoprt is placed too high. :x
  • Thresh - From what I can see off playing him on the PBE, Thresh is a fairly strong support. He's got some decent utility and good damage. I think he's still lacking in comparison to Lulu and Taric though.
  • Twitch - Sword of the Divine really synchronized amazingly well with Twitch's ultimate, and I think he's extremely strong right now.
  • Udyr - Udyr's just simply getting burned in his current state at the moment.
  • Vi - She's still playable, but definitely losing the initial WOW factor on release.
  • Zed - He's definitely playable right now, but I don't think he's overpowered by any means. I'm having a hard time placing him above other more reliable bruisers like Renekton.
Disclaimer:
  • The purpose of this list is for discussion and to provide a starting point for hero selection.




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55 comments:

  1. Bro zed is not a bruiser, he's an assassin xD

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  2. Hey, im really happy you updated the list! Its kinda grim for junglers, only a few made tier one, and i dont think noc really deserves it...
    You mentioned some changes to shaco... What exactly changed that makes him so strong?
    Another question:
    Who do you think is stronger:
    The really tanky ap junglers like Maokai and Skarner or tanky ads like Jarvan and Xin?
    And one more:
    Does the order in the tiers count too?

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  3. Durem FeetkillerJanuary 13, 2013

    If i had to choose i'd go for tanky ads jarvan/xin, maokai/skarner has a bit more of "supportive" but jarvan and xin can get their own shit by themselves

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  4. Durem FeetkillerJanuary 13, 2013

    Leblanc is assasin, zed is... nothing

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  5. Teemo on tier 2. NOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

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  6. when is the next patch going to be deployed?

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  7. I'm a relatively new player, but can I ask why Kassadin is so low?


    I've been playing him on and off since I started and while he is unsuccessful pre 6 and against some of the better AD mids, the same could be said for a lot of the top tier mages.


    His late game is amazing, his mobility is unparalleled and he basically shuts down any AP mid out there due to his passive.

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  8. He's entirely match-up based. He's very good against certain characters and very bad against others. It's hard to pick him in blind pick because of this. And he's basically a counter-pick in draft.

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  9. saw this question earlier, but no response! From some of your comments I'd like to infer that the ordering of the names in the tier is relevant, but can you confirm?

    Thanks.

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  10. SSJSuntasticJanuary 13, 2013

    Hi cahnthas! I think I meant to answer earlier but it slipped my mind. The ordering of this particular list is relatively important, but as there are many in each tier, each hero of each tier are fairly close except for the first few in tier 1 who stand much higher.

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  11. SSJSuntasticJanuary 13, 2013

    Hi Alex, the reason the jungle changes made Shaco strong is that it's very easy to switch aggro on jungle creeps between yourself and your boxes now, which gives him a very safe jungle clear.


    Both types of junglers have their benefits. Personally I prefer tankier junglers, but Jarvan or Xin can definitely carry much harder if they get ahead.


    I answered this in a different comment as well, but the order in the tier does make a difference. In Tiers 2 and 3 the order matters a little less than in Tier 1 since there are a lot of heroes in the "very viable" category.

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  12. Hecarim? T4? Looks like someone hasnt seen one in a while

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  13. Kassadin is hidden OP tbh, or dunno if he is hidden he is banned alot but all the tier lists have him low, he is DAMN strong and also counters alot of AP mids, only weak part is pre lvl6

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  14. Thanks, very helpful. Consider adding that to the tier description section, even if you're putting just a little effort into ordering. Some of it is telling (like putting Rennekton right above Zed), and it's good to see the thought process too.

    I am a new player, and this list is one of my first stops in researching a champion. While I don't take it as gospel, it's great to be able to poll general experience so easily.


    Also, it's great encouragement to try out new champs if I see them in tier one here!

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  15. SSJSuntasticJanuary 14, 2013

    Thanks for the suggestion Cahnthas, I'll definitely take that into consideration! Glad I'm able to help out a little too. You're right, this list is by no means the end-all order to champion balance in the game (as you can see by the comments) but giving a rough order and discussing the differences definitely helps to pick out strong champions to play!

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  16. SSJSuntasticJanuary 14, 2013

    Hi FeurerFrei, I've always wanted to place Hecarim higher, but he's really a hit or miss champion. His ultimate is strong for sure, and if he's fed enough he can easily heal through a lot of enemy damage, but for some reason he simply isn't as successful as other junglers.


    I think it's because his burst damage isn't as high, and his main tactic is to chase down enemies and slowly wittle them away. This gives the enemy many more chances to lead Hecarim and his team into a trap, turn around, and counter-attack.

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  17. BITCH PLEASE ZIGGS IS OP

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  18. He is banned a lot in your elo, where people are still retarded. Kassadin is a bad champion. He has mainly a single burst damage(it's something you don't want for teamfights thats why Leblanc is never taken in the pros), he is a real mana eater (like OMG MAN), his W is unreliable (not to say unuseful past laning): it lets you farm better and get mana = you got to auto attack = you push your lane. + He is easy to shudown pre 6, he is ugly and god he doesn't counter a lot of mid.

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  19. @duremfeetkiller:disqus An assassin is a champion being able to jump in a fight to burst the ennemy carry and then get out safely. With his W and his ult we can say he is an assassin.

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  20. One more question:
    Do you think that lee is still the king of the jungle, or did his nerfs hit to hard.

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  21. SSJSuntasticJanuary 14, 2013

    Lee will always be viable just because of the way his kit works and the utility it provides. I wouldn't say he's the "king" of the jungle per-say, especially if the nerfs on the PBE make it to live.

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  22. Well, I looked at the nerf, the loss of armor on w sucks and so does the reduced slow, but I dont think it will hurt him that much! Still tier 1, gotta agree with you.
    God you should stop pestering you, but I just cant:
    What do you think the future holds. Will the new Op khazix see nerfs?
    And what about the solo que stomper MF?

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  23. SSJSuntasticJanuary 14, 2013

    I think Kha'zix will probably get some nerfs shortly, and MF may get a slight nerf on her ultimate. It's all up in the air though!

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  24. Durem FeetkillerJanuary 14, 2013

    @facebook-1015417165:disqus That's what zed does... jump in fight, ult carry, use flash+W , leave, and pray to get carried

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  25. Why is fizz so low down?

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  26. the_megatank_pwns_allJanuary 14, 2013

    Just out of interest, does the order in each tier mean anything, or are they all about the same?

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  27. SSJSuntasticJanuary 14, 2013

    The order does matter, but the difference between tiers 2 and 3 are less significant within the tiers.

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  28. Corki still Tier 1? I haven't seen him on competitive since S2 WC.

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  29. Ante BebićJanuary 14, 2013

    I think Pantheon and Master Yi should be tier 1 somwhere below Talon,but that is just my opinion.These two champions are in my opinion at the very top of tier 1 at snowballing,they are the best at it,it is just the thing when there is enemy team with lot of cc,and your team sucks hard/good or bad individuals but bad teamfigthers,they cant carry mid late game because they need perfect positioning for ace.But their capability of snowballing(they are two of my mains) is mad.At every elo,I believe.

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  30. SSJSuntasticJanuary 14, 2013

    Not sure Danny, possibly this Tuesday?

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  31. SSJSuntasticJanuary 14, 2013

    Hi Diend, Fizz is low down because if he doesn't snowball, he doesn't really offer much to the team in the way of anything besides being annoying. If he gets ahead, then yeah he can definitely carry a game by himself easily. It's just the reliability factor that holds him back.

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  32. He's still good.. if the person knows how to play corki tho, always sad to see Corkis who YOLO Valkyrie in the fights.

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  33. Why are Morg/Karth/Rumble picks I just happen to don't see anymore on soloQ. And why are they still tier 1? overall ultimate utility? They all look like getting counter picked by AD mids.

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  34. How come Zyra is so high even after the nerfs? I know she has high utility, but do you think her damage is still good?

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  35. SSJSuntasticJanuary 15, 2013

    Hi luka! Yes zyra's base damage is still very goods even with her nerfs, especially with her passive cooldown reductions

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  36. SSJSuntasticJanuary 15, 2013

    Hi gabriel, morgana may need to be moved down a little in a future patch, but karthus still does very well as long as he only focuses on farming, and rumble still dominates most matchups.

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  37. why is leblanc so low?

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  38. What is your opinion on kha after the nerf? Still a good pick?
    Also, which of these 2 do you find a stronger pick as a jungler:
    Moakai or jarvan?
    Cheers,
    Alex

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  39. SSJSuntasticJanuary 16, 2013

    Hi Alex, that's a good question, I didn't realize Riot would be pushing out so many balance updates so soon. I'll have my hands full getting a handle on the affects of all the changes, especially for Kha'Zix, Evelynn, and a few other Tier 1 champions. I might have to push out another rendition of the tier list myself shortly.


    Kha'Zix's nerfs are pretty substantial, they're definitely focused on making him less of a one-man wrecking crew, but with a strong team to get him the resets he's definitely still extremely good. He may no longer be worthy of the #1 spot at the moment though.


    Maokai is much easier, but Jarvan is definitely stronger if you can use him to his fullest potential. Mao also gets flash baited into towers much easier during ganks, which can be disastrous at early levels.

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  40. SSJSuntasticJanuary 16, 2013

    Hi LoLGoy, a lot of the meta right now focuses around placing tanky AD mid with strong waveclear, which pretty much smashes Leblanc in the face. Even without the AD meta, Leblanc suffers greatly against strong waveclear, and tends to fall off hard late game since she doesn't farm as well as most champions.

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  41. I play corki regularly in soloq. I currently have a 76% winratio with him, and he's my favourite champion in league :)

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  42. Do you still build trinity force on him?

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  43. JonnyBigBossJanuary 18, 2013

    Can you start doing two separate tier lists, one for normal play and one for competitive/high-elo?

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  44. Just a question, I take it the Twisted Fate on the list is AP, how is AD Twisted Fate doing?

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  45. SSJSuntasticJanuary 18, 2013

    Hi preston, the list is indeed for ap tf. Ad tf can do okay, but he plays much differently than traditional ads.

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  46. SSJSuntasticJanuary 18, 2013

    Hi jonny, well it'd simply be an additional list, since this one is only for solo queue. I've never really been a fan of team tier lists since I think it depends more on the compositions. I might start doing it in the future though, thanks for the suggestion!

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  47. Zed is a bruiser? Renekton is better? Are you kidding? Let me guess you're playing him top lane instead of mid and getting dominated?

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  48. I think Cho Gath is probably one of the best champion at the moment ... I'd want to have your opinion but I feel like he can't really be beaten mid or top with his passive sustain and uber nuke lvl 6 with ignite feast I know he lacks of mobility but you can't get past him with his utillities and no matter how you build him he will do a lot of dmg with his ult for teamfights and he will be very tanky.

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  49. well he talks about solo Q and ziggs is pretty hard to play so if you get a teamate that fail a bit it can be a disaster but well played I agree he can deal a lot of dps with a slow and a knock up

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  50. Ezreal in Tier 1? Maybe I'm building him wrong, but I haven't seen him have nearly the amount of success I would think a Tier 1 to have, especially with Essence Flux (his W) being practically useless. Maybe would could elaborate or help me out?

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  51. SSJSuntasticJanuary 22, 2013

    Hi Zach, Ezreal's extremely successful simply because he's extremely safe. Essence flux generally isn't leveled up anymore and only used to pick up some cheap stacks on your passive. He's not overwhelmingly powerful, but he's very reliable and difficult to kill in teamfights.


    A lot of people are also building iceborn gauntlet on him, which pretty much makes him a one-man kiting and chasing monster.

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  52. SSJSuntasticJanuary 22, 2013

    Hi RSG Cupid, Cho's definitely in an extremely good spot right now. His only main issue is of course using his spells properly and hitting his skillshots. A good Cho is quite unstoppable and his flexibility lets you pick him early without worrying about which position to play him in.


    So yes, I agree!

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  53. come on man when's the next tier list gonna be released

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  54. SSJSuntasticJanuary 23, 2013

    Workin' on it :P

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  55. Why is akali tier 3

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