Nov 14, 2014

2014 Champion Tier List - Solo Queue - Patch 4.19 Update

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SEASON 4 - PATCH 4.19 SOLO QUEUE TIER LIST
SEASON 4 UPDATE

This List has been updated, and new versions are available via this link

Preface Chatter
Hey everyone, I was out of commission for about a week due to work, but I did see the great artwork you guys put up...

Since we're all waiting around for the new season, there aren't many updates this time around besides the massive Ryze nerf.  Anyway, let's jump right into the list!

If you're looking for a more meta based tier list based on popularity, check out the FOTM list via this link!
Patch 4.19 Summary
Buffs: Singed, Sion, Leblanc
Nerfs: Janna, Lucian, Ryze, Zilean
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The Tier List

God Tier [Highest Influence]:
Mid-Lane Gods: Katarina, Ahri
Jungle Gods: Rammus, Amumu, Warwick, Fiddlesticks, Wukong, Jarvan IV,
AD Gods: Jinx, Corki
Top Lane Gods: Wukong, FioraGnar, Maokai,
Support Gods: SonaJanna

Tier 1 [Strong/Preferred Choices]:
Mid-Lane: Annie, Orianna, Akali, Malzahar, Swain, Talon, Lux, Zyra, Wukong, Vel'Koz, Brand, Syndra, Galio, Xerath, Anivia, Morgana, Heimerdinger
Jungle: Maokai, Vi, Kha'Zix, Sejuani, Nautilus, Pantheon
AD Carry: Draven, SivirGraves, Miss Fortune, Caitlyn
Top Lane: Swain, Warwick, Irelia, Akali, Malphite, Lulu, Jarvan IV, Rumble, Tryndamere, Yorick, Singed, Teemo, Vladimir, Lissandra, Jayce, Riven, Heimerdinger, Pantheon
Support: LeonaBlitzcrank, BraumMorgana, Zyra

Tier 2 [Viable/Balanced Choices]:
Mid-Lane: Ziggs, Fizz, Sona, Twisted Fate, Diana, Lissandra, Pantheon, Lulu (AP), Karthus, Viktor, Kayle, Karma, Zed, Fiora, Mordekaiser, Vladimir, Teemo, Jayce
Jungle: Master Yi, Lee Sin, Skarner, Volibear, Udyr, Xin Zhao, Kayle, Jax, Shaco, Zac, Cho'Gath, Sion, Nocturne, Aatrox, Malphite, Dr. Mundo, Nasus, Tryndamere, Olaf, Trundle, Diana, Zed
AD Carry: Tristana, Lucian, Kog'Maw, Vayne, Ezreal, Ashe, Varus,
Top Lane: Kennen, Nasus, Darius, Volibear, Alistar, Rengar, Jax, Renekton, Dr. Mundo, Trundle, Aatrox, Udyr, Karma, Garen, Lee Sin, Kha'Zix, Shyvana, Kayle, Cho'gath, Olaf, Gangplank, Xin Zhao, Viktor, Poppy, Quinn, Vi, Zed
Support: Nami, Thresh, Vel'Koz, Alistar, Annie, Fiddlesticks, Lulu, Xerath, Karma, Taric, Soraka

Tier 3 [Needs Higher Skill/Knowledge Than Usual]:
Mid-Lane: Kassadin, Ryze, Zilean, Master Yi, Kennen, Gragas, Jarvan IV, Veigar, Leblanc, Nidalee (AP), Kha'Zix, Yasuo, Riven, Cho'Gath, Fiddlesticks, Azir, Tristana, Kog'maw, Ezreal (AP), Elise
Jungle: Hecarim, Rengar, Nunu, Evelynn, Leona, Elise, Shyvana, Shen, Malzahar, Yasuo, Fiora, Gragas, Riven, Poppy, Darius, Fizz
AD Carry: Quinn, Twitch, Twisted Fate, Kennen
Top Lane: Shen, Gragas, Nidalee, Master Yi, Zac, Galio, Talon, Ryze, Kassadin, Rammus, Elise, Mordekaiser, Sion, Vayne, Yasuo, Nunu
Support: Nautilus, Lux, Gragas, Maokai, VolibearZilean, Nunu, Kayle, Teemo, Malphite, Anivia, Syndra, Veigar, Gangplank

Tier 4 [Low Benefits for Effort Used]:
Mid-Lane: Cassiopeia, Urgot, Soraka, Janna
Jungle: Gangplank, Garen, Blitzcrank
AD Carry: Urgot
Top Lane: Soraka, Urgot
Support: Nidalee, Orianna, Poppy, Elise, Galio, Shen, Yorick, Lissandra, Ashe, Leblanc

Instructions and Caveats:
  • Champions in BOLD I will talk about shortly
  • Champions UNDERLINED may be over/undervalued, but aren't/haven't played enough for me to make a better judgement.
  • Within each tier the champions are strongest from left to right, but within a tier each champion's strength is relatively close. This is especially true for Tiers 2 and 3 where these champions are ALL highly playable and player dependent on how strong they are in-game.
  • This tier list takes data from ALL players; however, since the majority of players fall in the first three tiers, the majority of data points will come from there.
  • Win Rates are important in analyzing each champion's strength, but are not the end-all criteria for any champion's position.
  • The creator of this list is diamond, so there may be some personal bias towards higher tier play on certain champions.

Champion Explanations
  • Annie [Tier 1 Mid] - With most of the "poke" and "sustain" based champions heavily nerfed, Annie has a much easier time both winning lane and impacting teamfights than she used to. As a mage, she also has extremely high impact with her AOE stun that's relatively easy to land and fast cycles through her spells.
  • Gnar [God Tier Top]  - Gnar's actually insanely strong right now, and synergizes very well with many popular team compositions. His kiting power is through the roof, and although can be taken advantage of when he's in the wrong form, has more than enough utility to make up for it.
  • Graves [Tier 1 ADC] - Nerfs on Lucian brought Graves to a whole new level of power, and he's definitely a contender again.
  • Janna [God Tier Support] - Despite the nerfs on Janna, her strength hasn't been dramatically affected much.
  • Lucian [Tier 2 ADC] - At this point, Lucian is fairly balanced and while you might still see some highly skilled players stomping with him, that's mostly because...they're highly skilled players.
  • Ryze [Tier 3 Top] - The base damage reduction in his Q absolutely demolishes his ability to harass early game vs most top laners. This coupled with the fact that he has poor escape mechanisms leaves him very open to being camped and crushed (even more so than before).
  • Singed [Tier 1 Top] - The snare doesn't really come into play an awful lot, but he did get a decent numbers buff and I think he's in a decent spot right now. Just stay away from Darius.
  • Sion [Tier 2 Jungle] - Sion's buffs were solid, and I think he's very playable in the jungle right now.
  • Sivir [Tier 1 ADC] - Similar to Graves, Lucian nerfs have brought her back. Her ultimate is still absolutely amazing for teamfights, and I think we'll be seeing a lot more of her on the field, especially if Sion and Singed get popular.
  • Sona [God Tier Support/Tier 2 Mid] - I talked about Sona for a bit at the end of the Season, but basically her poke, burst, and heal are absolutely insane at the moment and beyond easy to execute. I know a lot of people are going to go bonkers over the fact that I've placed her above Zed in midlane, but honestly once she gets 40% CDR she absolutely crushes, and with Lichbane she can burst down pretty much any squishy with her powerchord instantly from long range. The fact that she'll likely get blue mid lane also helps her reach her pinnacle faster. The only drawback is that her waveclear isn't very good, and she can't hold her powerchord as long in mid compared to bot.
  • Zilean [Tier 3 Mid/Support] - The global passive nerf really hurt him, and made a somewhat difficult champion to do well with weaker. His full burst speed is a bit slow, and requires quick reflexes and decision making in order to maximize his potential. Although he can still work, in solo queue there are better choices now.
Disclaimer:
  • The purpose of this list is for discussion and to provide a starting point for hero selection.
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552 comments:

  1. Hey SSJ what's your opinion on veigar right now? with assassins and poke mages being nerfed just like annie rising up in power I think veigar deserves low-tier 1 with his infinite scaling plus 1 shot potential, and arguably the most broken stun in the game.

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  2. Rafik VardanyanNovember 14, 2014

    Ive been waiting years for this :D

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  3. DAAAMN They finally balanced Lucian! <3
    Also, don't you think Ashe, Ezreal and Vayne should be higher?
    And Ryze should be in tier 2 imo

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  4. Draveeeen<3 Funniest adc out there imo!

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  5. RIP Ryze ;_;

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  6. Holy shit Ryze T3 :o Well, at least I don't have to deal with his bs poke early game.

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  7. Talon/Zed are too popular right now, he can definately contend well with other mid laners as he does have the highest burst potential in the game.

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  8. Don't know about Ashe and Vayne, but Ezreal still has the problem of not being able to fight in between minions vs strong hitters like Draven/Cait etc. He needs a rework on his W, in order to be able to compete with other adcs, in my opinion.

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  9. RisingFlamesNovember 15, 2014

    Did the Lucian nerfs really hit him that hard? The W AD removal is almost neglible (it did almost no damage anyway) and the Culling having a longer cooldown really doesn't hurt that much, seeing as it wasn't a major part of Lucian's teamfighting. I'm just curious as what makes him Tier 2 and not Tier 1.

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  10. SquirrelNutkinsNovember 15, 2014

    SSJ, we know you love the art...

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  11. I've recently picked up Miss Fortune and I have to say, I haven't lost lane in all of the games I've played (~15) but one because I had to leave. I don't understand why but she just stomps in lane and her team fight presence seems to be enormous. This is high silver/low gold mostly, with the occasional platinum and rare diamond 5. Any explanations? (I'm not that good as an adc so I'm kinda confused XD)

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  12. I don't agree with knocking Lucian down to tier 2. The W "nerf" is hardly a nerf as it didn't do much damage to begin with and the increase in his ult CD hardly makes much of a difference IMHO.

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  13. Draven has just been sitting at the top of tier one...
    Waiting...
    Soon...

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  14. Where does Azir belong ?

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  15. Ahri might belong to the God tier of laning, but how does she do in Pvp ?

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  16. Hey there, I used to be a miss fortune main, I always thought that she's god tier, however, adcs aren't about damage only, she deals shit tons of damage throughout the entire game, but she has now escape, means she can be easily ganked in lane and focused in teamfights, also her ult makes me so vulnerable as she cannot move like Lucian's ult, combine these 2 together, and you'll have the easiest ADC to focus in team fights/ camped in lane, as a MF player I think she should be t3 because she really does need higher skill level, thats mf.
    her landing phase is strong because of her Q harass and the bonus DMG from W and the AS buff from W, and about the enormous teamfight presence its probably that the enemy team is rlly bad at focusing, however if you feel like miss fortune is your champion, then play her :)

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  17. can somone tell me why nami is in tier 2???

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  18. Armedbullster159November 15, 2014

    bronze-gold around tier 3. Platinum upwards he is definitely tier 1

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  19. Daniel BarcelosNovember 15, 2014

    I'm glad to see Galio in tier 1 mid, but why only tier 3 in top? He can trade with many dps champions after he gets some mana item the farm is pretty easy

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  20. Why is Kassadin Top tier 3?
    he is realy strong there.

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  21. gg gnar is gonna be nerfed next patch XD

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  22. NICE :-)!!! Thy new tiar list. good stuff man, yes i agree

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  23. Tier 3 is a nice way of saying tier 2 or tier 1 with a higher learning curve. Kassadin isn't the "easiest" champion in the world to play well. While I'm a big fan of playing Kass top, understanding when to go in against tanks is a bit different than understanding when to go in against a squishy midlaner.

    However, I will agree that at the moment I feel Kass top is in a much better place than Kass mid, because typically you aren't getting bullied out of lane top like you can be mid. Additionally, bringing teleport top allows you to Kass roam which can get some "free" kills and start the terror of Kass late game rolling. But yes Kass Top is strong, but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it to all bronze-gold players, so I'm okay with the tier 3 ranking. However, if you want a really fun snowball champion most people don't know about, Kass top would be one of my favorite picks at the moment.

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  24. How is she not balanced in a bronze-gold tier list?

    She has a very good kit, but most people don't really use it correctly or maximize it. However, even basic play makes the kit balanced. In addition, a lot of supports tend to play supports they can do a bit more damage on, and while she has sustain, Nami really isn't a huge damage champion without sacrificing some of her other jobs. In addition, Nami's catches (ult and bubble) aren't as distinctively timed as say a Morgana binding, which can make it so that team coordination at lower levels isn't as well orchestrated or forgiving.

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  25. Depends how good you are at hitting your combos. Once she gets a DFG, if she hits a charm on someone she can make them disappear quickly. Also because of how her ult works she can weave in and around teamfights fairly well, which makes her a monster in the cleanup, and her Q can do some real damage to teams in a small space, especially if they're trying to chase her down.

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  26. KingoftheSocksNovember 15, 2014

    More ad champs in the top lane. Which galio won't like

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  27. Somewhat dependent on position. I would probably go tier 3 for this list, but I would currently rank him a bit higher top lane than I would mid lane because of his zoning capabilities in top make it so even when not playing the rest of the kit well you can absolutely just crush someone in lane and split push for days. However, like most complicated champions for a bronze-gold tier list he wouldn't be one of my most recommended champions. Although if between now and say January someone came out with a really simple and easy to understand Azir guide that REALLY breaks things down, then that could cut the learning curve for some people.

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  28. The ult nerf is actually really huge when it comes to team fights. Being able to use his ult every minute was actually really huge both being sieged and trying to siege. Essentially removing every other lane of minions with 1 spell or doing a lot of damage to the champions trying to hold a turret etc, makes a big difference. While the W isn't that much of a nerf, little bits of damage can make a big difference.

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  29. With veigar's damage output he really doesn't need ignite to kill people as much, so he can run cleanse in a zed match-up and talon is falling out of favour.

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  30. Maybe that peep meant that Nami should be higher/lower. cant know.




    Nami fcking awesome :-)

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  31. KingoftheSocksNovember 15, 2014

    Finally I can play Graves again without being bitched at that I should just play Lucian

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  32. BoltOfSpadesNovember 15, 2014

    Dear SSJsuntastic, why did you put (x) champ in Tier 2 below (y) champ? Is it because you're an idiot? Is it because you're salty about those 2 champions? Is it because you have personal malice against me?
    Please note that any reasonable response to this will be regarded as bullshit from a noob that has no idea what they're talking about. I personally think (x) champ is god tier, because I personally stomp with him every time. Ignore the fact that I'm Bronze, I'm actually a challenger level player, I'm only stuck there because of baddies that listen to a noob that thinks (y) champ is good.
    ((Cue ACTUAL comments along these lines in 3...2...1...))

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  33. YE MEH TAW MI VER8I GOUD I CRI CAZ BRONZ MI PRO

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  34. but... but... Garen jungle!! Also in your opinion should I get varus or quinn for mid-lane? (don't judge I'm plat :p)

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  35. BoltOfSpadesNovember 15, 2014

    Probably Quinn. She has an escape, while Varus doesn't.

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  36. but AP varus doesn't need one, because he 4 shots anyway.

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  37. BoltOfSpadesNovember 15, 2014

    So does Veigar, but he's still weaker than champs like, say, Ahri, for the same reasons I'm suggesting Quinn over Varus.

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  38. Horrible list, whoever follows this is actually retarded.

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  39. You can blindly follow a support player who is stuck in D5 on a server that doesn't even tryhard in soloqueue, that's up to you.

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  40. BoltOfSpadesNovember 15, 2014

    I'm legitimately interested to know what division YOU'RE in.

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  41. I agree he needs a rework on his W, but now that Lucian AKA. Ezreal 2.0 is nerfed he can trade fairly well against other ADC's (except Corki) when done correctly

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  42. D1 72LP peak in S3, took a 6 month break and decayed to D5. Make sure you're higher than Silver V when calling out Bronze players by the way.

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  43. You liked your own comment, now we can see the kind of character you are :^)

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  44. @SSJSuntastic What are your thoughts on Vlad? I feel like he is very strong right now and ive been seeing him a lot more in ranked games. Also most top laners arent taking ignite anymore

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  45. Michael ArcherNovember 15, 2014

    How do you think the PBE Fiora nerfs are gonna effect her winrate?

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  46. I think they will make her teamfight a lot weaker, but the ult damage to the same target is gonna be almost the same. A fed fiora will still stomp hard though, because fiora has no counterplay, but by reducing numbers she just has to get a little more fed to do what she did before. I'd guess around 50% win rate. On a side note I'd think the last thing they'd do after worlds is buff jayce, but riot is still doing it, urgot is waiting for this kind of love.

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  47. actually it does more damage, less aoe though.

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  48. Hi, I enjoy playing wukong. Which champs could have a similar playstyle so I can get some variety?

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  49. I'm considering some 3150 or 4800 IP champ.

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  50. But when positioned correctly even without that much peel from your team, as long as you don't take that first hit you're hard to catch because of your passive speed. But getting caught when ulting can be a problem if you don't use it when your whole team locks down theirs with an Amumu/sona ult etc...

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  51. I've seen quit a bit of kayle mid recently, and I've gotten beat every time. please look into mid kayle I think its around the same teir as sona

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  52. j4 isn't similar to wukong at all actually. No real champ that's the same kind of fun as wukong with a similar playstyle.

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  53. which is funnier/stronger, Panth or shaco?

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  54. talon,you jump and ult for kill everyone like wukong

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  55. can you share build,runes and masteries for kass top
    do i have to go for the classic 21/9 hybrid penetration runes with tear+roa?

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  56. kayle mid got terribly bullied by alot of champs early,you should play her top or jungle where you won't be bullied too much

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  57. no because even her ratio got nerfed,so her damage now is anyway weaker

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  58. now that they nerfed ryze he's much more viable,just don't take him in very aggressive lanes

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  59. what was the comment?

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  60. Why is fizz in tier 2?

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  61. because low elo people tends to be afraid of going in with melee champs and this hurts fizz because he's all about all in and kill while talon got a poke

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  62. i personally don't like graves but with lucian's nerf i can't say he's still not viable

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  63. Maybe Talon?

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  64. Might check it

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  65. is wukong jungle goona be op in the next patch?i mean with brutalizer you already got +20 arpen ,20% cdr and 55 atk

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  66. Yea talon is pretty close. A lot closer than jarvan.

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  67. wukong anything is strong.

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  68. The clostest to wukong is actually eve and pantheon which is weird.

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  69. LOL. Those aren't even that similar, no champ is even close to wukong's playstyle I guess..

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  70. Nvm was going off of similar skill utility/playability

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  71. I've had the most success going Tear+RoA to start, but there are a couple of different options. Some people build the Ryze tank build path, which can work but I tend to stick with a primarily damage build since I tend to try and split push and roam quite a bit as opposed to straight team fighting. There are actually some people that use the AD Nidalee Split push build with Trinity Force 1st item, which can work using W as first max spell, but it is a bit riskier. Another variation is RoA into Trinity Force.

    Depending on the matchup will also make a difference for what you max your skills first. Most of the time you can do okay in lane, unless you have a few of the AP mids at which point you would play it similar to Kass Mid if you have any experience with that.

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  72. "this tier list is bad everyone who follows this is retarded" or something like that, what a douchebag

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  73. you just summoned the all mighty "wukong only"
    wait for it

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  74. Eh, barely. Still gonna be great.

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  75. Azir mid below Cho'Gath mid... ok

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  76. At last, Sona mid. I love you SSJ. <3 <3 <3 <3

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  77. Can you explain why Morgana supp is tier 1?

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  78. Learning curve more than anything probably...

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  79. SquirrelNutkinsNovember 15, 2014

    Wait for it....

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  80. Armedbullster159November 15, 2014

    elise is back and shes back better than ever in season 5 :D, i absolutely can't wait!!!. Does anyone know when will season 5 be starting pls?

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  81. Having Tristana in tier 2 is absolutely insane.. Tristana is still very strong I feel.. Nerfs have hit her hard but her carry potential remains high and her laning is very decent too..

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  82. Learning curve definitely. Only good Azir I've seen was Bjergsen, and he is basically midlane god.

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  83. Faker has been picking him up as well

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  84. Also you want to be aware of what to pick Kass Top into. If you go against some big tanks like Mundo, you lack a lot of kill potential, which does make it so you're not necessarily super great later on when they hit their you can't kill me phase. However, if you get to a split push position, you can be harder to stop when they don't have a lot of wave clear. So just be aware of what the teams are looking like if you have a choice, and don't necessarily blind pick it. However, once you get to 6 you have so much roam potential that it can be really fun. There is a reason that snowball Kass received perma ban for most of season 4.

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  85. ChickenkitchenNovember 15, 2014

    Thinking about buying Fiora, Gnar, Irelia, Jinx or Vel' Koz. Just curious about overall strength, fun, versatility and difficulty.

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  86. Get Gnar or Irelia. Both are hella fun and fotm!

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  87. Honestly, I love Vel'Koz. He does sooo much damage even if you fall behind (because of his passive), it's absurd.

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  88. I believe it will be early January?

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  89. Matias Ignacio Araneda ArayaNovember 15, 2014

    Braum>Morgana???????? explain this pls

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  90. PoopyFartyPoopNovember 15, 2014

    Any thoughts about sivir mid? I don't know if it's viable but I want to try it out. She has long range wave clear, pushes quickly and has utility in the form of her ultimate.

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  91. Keep a minute of silence for another mage nerfed, RIP Ryze

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  92. Ok which build a AP Sona (or the aggresive sona SSJ talks so much about) build should be used as Support?

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  93. This is Brad.November 15, 2014

    I actually use her Mid against easy CC, I play her with full CDR (5% from masteries, 15% from Ionian Boots, 10% from Brutalizer and 10% from Essence Reaver), Life Steal and Mana, your W goes really well with the passive from EssReav post-6, having your Boomerang really often helps you harras and succesfully makes you and AD Caster and helps a lot when kiting, I can 1v2 on the laning phase easily with then heavy AoE, you can roam as Sivir having your Ult, Youmuu's and Trinity and Fury enchantment, You can gank and no one can escape from you, not even a Kassadin if you're smart, for the other items as I said before I almost always go for a Trinity due to it's perfect synergy with Sivir's kit, phage and Sheen's passive and Fury Enchantment have you with 4 thriggers on hit against champions, and with the Auto reset with sheen from your W you hit like a truck and you become phreak's wet dreams of tons of damage. Then, you got 2 more slots, I try to get Infinity Edge and a defensive item, I try to counter as much as I can via Randuin's, Banshee's, Scimitar, etc, but your priority is to get as mobile as you can and hit hard to, it all depends on the game, also, you become a better pusher because now you have enes sustain, also in late game you can rplace boots and essreav for Zephyr and even more movement speed items, Sivir is god. Also this buiLd work insanely good for Lucian and Graves and they're my favorite AD Carries/Casters. I want to make this build popular xD

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  94. Morgana's ult and CC in general requires a slow skill shot to land or them to stay near you. On the other hand, Braum's ult is much more reliable in team fight and if his passive gives him CC even after blowing his Q. That being said they are literally right next to each other so, it's not a big difference.

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  95. Also a good Braum shield can be very OP, Morgana's single target is nice, but it doesn't quite do what Braum's can do to cancel out some big directional attacks.

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  96. The patch or the professional season?

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  97. Dunked By ViNovember 15, 2014

    And riven is slowly making the comeback to one of the best top laners....

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  98. Kevin NicolasNovember 15, 2014

    I'm going to miss Ryze, but not as much as I miss Talon :(

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  99. Dunked By ViNovember 16, 2014

    I wouldn't say talon is dead just requires some more knowledge of when to actually go all in instead of just silencing them and getting an easy kill. He can still demolish people with his combo in mere seconds.

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  100. Yeah but come on, Cho'Gath mid? I have never seen it happen, except for like once in URF.

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  101. Eh... despite popularity, i think sona lanes cane be easily shut down with jungler help because of her lack of escapes.


    What i conclude after playing her for awhile:


    1) Since she got back her original q range, we saw win rates go up.
    2) She can be oppressive in the lane but it makes her lane more vulnerable to ganks.
    3) She can choose between safety(wards + max heal 1st) or dmg(max q, buy dmg)
    4) can be quite snowbally (lose lane and you're a healbot ult, win lane and you chunk squishies)


    Thoughts about this anyone??

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  102. Popstar OlafNovember 16, 2014

    I think Leblanc should be tier 2 at least. Though she may have one of the worst base stats in-game and not to mention her low win-rate, she still has a high potential on kills especially first bloods. .

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  103. great reply, thanks so much :) And i heard her Spirit Rush can only hit the same target once ?

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  104. Can someone please give me an Into Depth Azir breakdown ? this guy seems to dish out tons of damage when it comes so single or multiple targets, but i would like to know his Cons/ weaknesses ?
    Take a look at this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eqJmQMSaAg, skip to the last 5 minutes of the game, azir doesn't have the best AP items but he does so much damage and just destory's everyone ?
    HE IS UNREAL

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  105. Can someone please give me and In depth breakdown of Azir ? He seems to be relatively good at late game, but i would like to know his weaknesses etc. ? :)

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  106. Josh ThurlowNovember 16, 2014

    She's pretty strong in low elos, I have a 100% winrate with her. A lot of people haven't seen MF a lot, so they get srprised by her kit and damge. She's a very strong caster type, as well as just AA (with her Impure shots).

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  107. Josh ThurlowNovember 16, 2014

    He's still good, you just need that late game more than ever.

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  108. Josh ThurlowNovember 16, 2014

    Early game all he has is zoning harass, but if you can get close to him, he's squat useless. He's very strong with kiting, so you want to play someone who can match his mobility and range and get out of his powerful zoning.

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  109. So he is only dependent on his Soldiers ? - do you personally he's worth buying, for ranked games but also for fun games ?

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  110. Ryze now is almost no kill until 25 minutes. But at least it's still better than the recent experiement on PBE: damage reduced by removing mana scale. Fortunately they reverted that nerf, not applied to official servers otherwise Ryze would fall into obvilion, actually...

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  111. YAY im considered highly skilled becuz i still do well with lucian.

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  112. Nicolas CageNovember 16, 2014

    It took quite a few matches for me to understand him at all.


    Basically, he's all about harass early-game, zone control mid-game, and DPS late-game.


    I like getting Athene's first, generally. All of the stats go quite a long ways on him. After that, I'll build normal AP mid items. The one exception to this is I usually pick up Ionian Boots of Lucidity, and therefore usually get a Void Staff as a second or third damage item.


    Harassing early game isn't too hard. All about spamming your W and using your Q for troop positioning. W -> Q -> E can be used for escaping, and it even though it takes a little bit to become accustomed to the timing necessary to pull off a move fluidly, it's very helpful as Azir tends to push lanes and therefore becomes rather vulnerable. Knowing when to use his ult early on is hugely important as well, as it can either be a valuable damage contribution to an all-in, a total avoidance of a death when you're ganked by a jungler, or have a totally opposite effect when used poorly.


    Mid-game, you'll hopefully have 2 damage items + tier 2 boots at this point. Using your troops to zone and control enemy positioning is extremely important. This is when your ult is at its most useful, as you can totally block off enemy escape paths, and protect your backline from assassins very easily. Also, if you're going to Azir-sec, this is the point in the game to do it.


    Late-game, your ult's overall contribution goes down, IMO, and the strength in Azir's kit switches over to his sustained DPS. Play safely and do as much damage as possible with your troops. You're doing the same thing as an ADC at this point.


    That's about it. I've gotten a lot more comfortable on Azir since his release, though I haven't really played a ton of him. Take my advice with a grain of salt, but I think if you're a bit lost on the champ the advice I gave above should be useful.

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  113. yeah Ryze' lack of early tankiness leaves him way to vunerable in the early stages so with his base Q being nerfed that shut off his viability

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  114. If you are talking about AD carry role, Thresh is a better ADC than Urgot :) .
    Nevertheless, there is some guy who managed to get Silver with 51% winrate of Urgot :
    http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/40783652#profile

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  115. if anything tier 1 is the best spot in this list.. this means that the chances of that champion getting nerfed are low and there ban rates are farily low too and honestly its safer to main a tier 1 champ becuz they wont recieve anything hard in the patch notes. if anything u should be glad vi is at the peak of tier 1. go ahead and pick her up shes very strong

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  116. Justintrouble8November 16, 2014

    Shes still just as strong. I think some other champions were just stronger then vi and he had to make room. You shouldn't play only god tier champions.

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  117. the thing i dont understand about the adc portion of this list is that mechanically adc is the hardest role in the game. (positioning, kiting, awareness,knowing your matchups) so making a tier list is honestly hard becuz if ur good at lucian u can stomp anyone imo but the same can be said for jinx,vayne and sivir etc. the point im getting to is that twitch should be placed higher becuz all adcs require higher skill and knowledge than usual and twitch is by no means weak in this meta he even has a decent laning phase if ur good at twitch. im defending him becuz i have a 66.7% winrate with him and around 70 games on him and im by no means a masterfull adc so coming from an average gold 5 player how is twitch bad? a good example is jinx... besides her passive just like twitch she has no escape but yet u put her at god tier above everyone else even when shes not that easy to play the funny thing is twitch can snowball just as hard as her so i just dont get how u can live with urself putting twitch under QUINN. i just cant take ur list seriously if u just place adcs by there winrates and dont take into account the POTENTIAL of the champion. im not some butthurt twitch fanboy. if he really was worse than quinn ashe varus kog maw vayne trist ezreal MF and cait i wouldnt have made this comment but i know for a fact that hes at least on par if not above all of those ESPECIALLY IN LOWER ELO where adcs thrive in carrying those games. not to mention twitch is very simple to play all u do is auto attack get poison stacks and press E then press R in teamfights how is that HARD?

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  118. Justintrouble8November 16, 2014

    The new dorans shield is going to destroy just destroy ryze even more. It blocks 8 dmg from autoattacks AND single target spells

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  119. LegitosaurusRexNovember 16, 2014

    Pretty sure this is made by a high-elo player with high elo solo queue in mind. Good adcs will be able to punish twitch in lane and shut him down so he never has enough damage to assassinate people until late game. Plus, he needs more peel than jinx because of her traps, and it's hard to guarantee that in solo queue.

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  120. what do you still think about diana?? is she is still strong for carrying?

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  121. Kingkarus AztyNovember 16, 2014

    Jinx just using only her Q to win team fight. She can kill everyone in safe range, she can also destroy every bruiser/assassin try to touch her with only Q...Easy for play, easy for snowball.

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  122. Armedbullster159November 16, 2014

    the patch were we get the new map on every game mode and the season 5 changes

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  123. Josh ThurlowNovember 16, 2014

    Everything uses his soldiers, so yes he is dependent on them. Literally, you can't have any ability except for the summon soldier at lvl 1. For fun games you can, he's a very good champion if you can coordinate with your team (playing with friends in normals or team ranked). He requires a lot of coordination is his main problem, he has good combos, but needs that follow up. I would say he's worth, because he can teach you a lot about so many different situations because that's where he shines.

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  124. Josh ThurlowNovember 16, 2014

    To start, with the point you made with if you're good with them and whatnot, that goes for every single champ and role. In low elos, you won't have that amazing positioning and knowledge in lane to properly propel twitch into that teamfight demon that he is.
    2nd, your personal accomplishments/downfalls won't affect the list, because some people main some of this stuff, you just have more knowledge than maybe the "average" twitch player in low elo.
    Also, Twitch and Quinn are in the same Tier, and right next to each other, if you read the description about tiers it says: "within a tier each champion's strength is relatively close. This is especially true for Tiers 2 and 3 where these champions are ALL highly playable and player dependent on how strong they are in-game."

    He does take in their potential, but you do have to take into the account of the success of the champ and their popularity. Twitch has a 45.41% win-rate, and popularity pick is 6.07%. Ashe beats him in both. Win-rate is 50.95% and popularity is 8.11%. But he does do some champs that have potential, like Anivia, who's popularity is 1.96%.
    And finally, ESPECIALLY IN LOWER ELO, a lot of ADCs can just AA and throw an abiltiy (Varus) so.... I agree, it's not hard, hell, you're right about that. But, unfortunately for Twitch, if you don't get by that harsh early game properly well... you won't do well enough to just AA and hit R and E, and you rape the fight GG.

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  125. Josh ThurlowNovember 16, 2014

    He explained last patch, it's just if she misses Q, her gank is over (pre-6 at least). And she is more of a ganking/pressure jungler, so that sucks if she can't follow through from missing that ability.

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  126. Your premise that she can be shut down by a jungler applies to most champions though. It also assumes that 1. the other team is coordinated enough to shut you down 2. that your jungler doesn't also help you out and 3. that the enemy doesn't telegraph it and fail to gank correctly. Which in solo Q all of those things are hard to predict, so playing a champion because they MIGHT be shut down by a jungler would make it so nobody would play anything but jungler.

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  127. Jeremy CandraNovember 16, 2014

    Why does rumble moved to lower tier 1? Surpassed by tanks like malphite and swain.

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  128. The new map is supposed to slowly be incorporated to live over the next few weeks, just dependent on making sure they fix errors and what not. So depending on how quickly they can get some of the bug fixes taken care of the new map should be all out within a month I would say. As far as the season 5 changes there is supposed to be a patch 4.20 but then there are conflicting reports from Riot as to whether they're ready to ship 5.0 or if they'll do a mini-patch like 4.21. Either way I'd say within the next 2 or 3 weeks there will either be an announcement made about the exact date of 5.0.

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  129. Spirit Rush can be used on the same champion. Which if your enemy tries to run away from you, you basically get 3 flashes that also include attacks with them. In team fights if there is more than 1 champion in range though then the attack from spirit rush will be divided among the champions. So that might only hit the same target 1 time with each use of ult, but if you're on the side of the fight and they are the only 1 in range they will get hit with each of the shots from the ult for that use.

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  130. There could be multiple reasons. 1. Rumble is slightly harder to use. However, I think 2. Rumble falls off later in the game if not way ahead is more likely. Addressing number 2 a bit more directly, in solo Q because teams aren't as organized games tend to last longer (unless one team is way ahead or the other team has a D/C, etc). Because games take longer having late game champions can be very beneficial in solo Q, where Rumble is more of an early to mid game champion that also requires team coordination in parts to correctly use his ult to do the most damage and follow up against the other team.

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  131. The big difference between Twitch and other champions is that to correctly use Twitch's kit requires a bit more knowledge and positioning than other champions. The use of Q for example, means that Twitch needs to know how to stealth in for an assassination which in team fights if done incorrectly leads to Twitch dying and your team getting slaughtered. Where most other ADC's just stand back and shoot at whatever is in range.

    Not using Twitch to get close enough also means that your R probably won't do as much damage as getting a bit closer. Additionally, knowing when to press E in a team fight takes a lot more knowledge than some people think. Using E to get 1 kill on a target that is already almost dead because they are being burst down by your team, means that you don't have it to kill the next person because it's on cooldown.

    Twitch's "good" lane phase, is probably the benefactor of going up against players who aren't great in lane themselves. If most champions are immobile it doesn't really hurt that entire position. Which Jinx has the benefit of just needing to drop chompers if she sees the gank coming to get away. She also can avoid pressing too far up in lane due to her extended range of Q or can use W to really farm from a distance if necessary. Twitch on the other hand can't really do that and other than his Q (which doesn't really work as an escape) can only escape using a flash. Which ganks are ganks, you either avoid them or you die regardless of the champion, especially as an ADC. Unlike others though Twitch doesn't bring anything in his toolbox to deal with aggression from the other team other than just do damage and hope to kill them.

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  132. Azir's weaknesses tend to come from his reliance on mechanical skill, game knowledge, and coordination with his teammates. For a bronze-gold tier list, this makes him a fairly hard champion to recommend to someone looking to move up the ladder "quickly". That said like most mechanical or knowledge based champions, learning Azir can benefit individuals in lots of areas.

    Some of the big things about Azir that make him both good and bad is that he's designed to be a bit more of a distance based champion, yet also has some maneuverability to dash away or through you. This means that while he can be somewhat hard to catch, if the person doesn't really understand the mechanics can also put himself right in the middle of a teamfight which can lead to him getting blown up. Another common example is the use of his ult... while in some settings such as the baron pit he can be absolutely devastating by locking in the enemy team in the pit with the wall allowing your team easy AoE points to kill everyone, he can sometimes also help the enemy team escape by accidentally pushing them away instead of trapping/isolating them.

    Also at the moment it's actually a little hard to really know what the "final" product of Azir is going to look like because there are still a few bug fixes that are going on that should help smooth out his game, but that could also lead to him being overpowered or underpowered which can lead to an immediate buff/nerf so power level is a little harder to know at the moment, especially since there are so few GOOD Azir players at the moment.

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  133. Puddleglum567 .November 16, 2014

    Hey guys, which champion is a more fun to play jungler: Elise or Vi? I need to pick up a new jungler and I seem to do the best with junglers that are fun to play (amumu, Kha zix)

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  134. Mhhm thanks for the tip, but sometimes when i'm playing janna or karma, heck even velkoz, we usually turn tables and kill 2 or either escape in bot.


    i just feel there's something off in the safety in sona than compared to other champs, like i don't ever feel safe when i play sona, ever.


    Ironically she's the champ that i own every single skin for, used to love her last time. I might go back playing her with more confidence like you suggested. Thanks :)

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  135. Not a fan of Vel.. But Jinx is a must buy for all adc mains.. as for fiora snowball champ just have to get fed.. i liked irelia a lot too

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  136. Ryze nerfs have hit him real hard.. But still he is very viable and i dont really think he deserves to be in tier 3.. His late game is still op because he is still an AP off tank.. Though his laning is harder now

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  137. What do you consider fun? Vi ganks a lot. Elise is much more tactical and somewhat of a support jungler which can be fun in a different way.

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  138. Well Sona does lack some of the peel that other support type champions have, but her heal can be quite OP to try and gank into. Adding in summoner spells like barrier or heal and it becomes even harder to really pull off a gank against her. At the end of the day though there are going to be times when the other team sets up a gank and they do their job correctly... it happens. Otherwise though if your team has good coordination and communication as well as some vision it's much harder to get caught in a lane gank than otherwise. So Sona isn't any "worse" than most other champions in the fact that if you get caught you get caught, but having a speed up and a heal can go a long way to staying alive.

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  139. Josh ThurlowNovember 16, 2014

    She has a powerful mid game, Idk if the average player could carry with her, but if you can master she can really do that damage.

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  140. Nicolas CageNovember 16, 2014

    Everyone has a different definition of fun. Most people do not find Amumu to be fun, though you do. Many people will find Elise not to be fun because of the incredibly high skillfloor associated with her kit.


    Play champions on their free week if you want to gauge how you feel about them. Of the two champions you listed, though, I enjoy playing Elise more.

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  141. I just bought Irelia, I would love some good advice on her ^_^

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  142. I'm not a D1 irelia main or anything, but I'll give you what advice I can:

    1. Max r->w->e->q. Maybe put 2 points into q if you really feel the need for that reduced cd, but you want w first for that ridiculous dueling and e for that stun.

    2. Run tp over ignite. Because you're a good splitpusher, tp can help your team get that inhib and eventually a win. You're naturally a good duelist so you don't really need ignite unless you know you're facing mundo or something like that.

    3. Farm a lot. Your items are really expensive, because you usually want to rush that triforce (you can go for botrk vs health stackers) ASAP and then build straight tank, maybe picking up a damage item 3rd or 6th depending on how fed you are. If you go triforce phage-sheen-zeal is safe, sheen-phage-zeal gives more kill potential. If you go botrk, just get bilgewater cutlass and finish it. Also, choose your boots: mercs if you're gonna push/feel like you need even more tenacity, berserkers if you're ahead/want to be an even better duelist.

    4. Make sure you have your e stun before you go for an all-in. Tank minions if you have to.


    5. Know your q damage. You need to know when you can kill a minion with it, as it's your only escape. Sheen helps a lot as your q will proc spellblade, effectively doubling the damage.


    6. In teamfights, your job is to dive that enemy carry and kill them as fast as possible; late game, you can sometimes kill them before the stun wears off. You can peel somewhat, but you usually function best as an anticarry.

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  143. Leblanc is purely a burst mage, meaning after she kills one person she's basically done. Her teamfight is pretty terrible: she has one aoe spell, 2 if you count her mimicked w. She's both tricky and risky to use; if you mess up your combo, you're done.

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  144. Supposedly Riot will fix Talon's silence problem by S5. The silence removal was a temporary fix.

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  145. Kay, thanks for the advice.
    What items are good on her (what should I generally choose from)?

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  146. 27% reduced attack speed at level 18, a q nerf, and ult cd increase? Trist is pretty balanced right now. By nerfing q, her laning isn't great compared to other fotm adcs like jinx, corki, or lucian. Her previously bad midgame is even worse now, with the ult cd increase and as/level nerf. Lategame, her q lost 2 full seconds of its duration; with a 20 second static cooldown, you'll probably only get to use it once per teamfight. She can still carry, but she's definitely weaker now and honestly quite balanced.

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  147. Start dorans blade.

    Generally, you should always rush triforce. You can sometimes go botrk against healthstackers because her q can proc botrk passive, but you generally want triforce because Irelia synergizes ridiculously well with the item. (Side note: Irelias build triforce 84% of the time and have a ridiculous 55% winrate with that item. Botrk is built only 34% of the time but has an even more insane 60% winrate.)

    Build bruiser, as Irelia's dps is insane even with only two damage items. Warmogs, BV, etc. will help you get to the carry and get out safely.

    You generally want merc treads as they synergize with your passive (more tenacity, more better).

    If you really want to go damage irelia, build things with attack speed over ad, so as to take full advantage of hiten style. I wouldn't recommend it because lategame you really can't afford to sacrifice tankiness and your dps with a tank build is still incredibly good with 75 true dmg from w.

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  148. DivideByInfinityNovember 16, 2014

    Fun is in the eye of the beholder.
    Try people on the free rotation and find someone you like.
    Only time can tell.

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  149. how do i beat lucian in lane? i pretty much never have a problem against any champion in bot lane expect for lucian... how am i supposed to win lane if my support is scared of fighting him. heres what happens everytime i play against one. he gets a thresh support and begins to push me into my turret and keeps poking me with his Q my support is too afraid to help me or at least zone thresh off of me. how am i supposed to beat a skilled lucian player as corki its just not happening i lose 100% of the time when i play against him. i try to trade with him but i always get out traded and outplayed. ive tried just poking him and avoiding extended trades but i keep geting zoned from creeps and he always gets a lead on me. how am i supposed to stop him if my support wont do anything to him should i just keep losing lane? im trying to find a way to beat him if my support sucks. i typically carry my supports but i cant do it when lucians on the other side. i tried staying on the same side as him to avoid the Q but he always ends up with a good support like thresh and i get nami that cant even throw bubbles andgets caught trying to ward like wtf am i just having bad luck or am i missing something? TL DR how do i carry bad supports against lucian i lose lane 100% of the time against him becuz my supports to scared to engage and i keep getting pushed into turret early HELPPPP

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  150. q nerf hitted him very very hard,now you have to wait about 35 minutes with a decent score for at least doing similar to old ryze
    and if you're feeding well,goodbye

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  151. elise is not fun because she's so hard that you will miss ganks and receive reports for every game
    vi is not fun cause she lacks ks potential(ks is really fun in lower elo)

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  152. easily killed early game,needs to menage the hardest resource in the game and missing ult is very easy

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  153. actually her mid game is really strong but late game she will falls off,akali is better overall than her

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  154. if you miss q only your laner can backup the gank,also her late game's damage is pretty low compared to wukong or amumu and her ult isn't as impactful as it used to be(aoe>single damage)

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  155. azir is a dps mage and so you should play carefully in lane,you can herass well but you lack 100/0 capabilities like syndra,using soldiers isn't very difficult because you can reposition them with Q pretty often.
    NEVER BUILD NASHOR,yeah it gives to you tons of atk spd but the low ap and the never used passive make this item useless on you

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  156. bad waveclear,if you're not good you will just camp tower and never roam
    one of the hardest champions in the game,you will never kill anyone without a good skill and her late game is bad because of the completely lack of a good aoe

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  157. you should be greatful riot just deleted his silence,look at kha zix and kassadin

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  158. same problem with me,i think no one can straight outdamage lucian cause he has got one of the highest early damage among ad carries,riot nerfed anything but no OP q and OP passive,with corki you can have some early problem but post-trinity you can easily outdamage him as long you dodge at least 1/4 of his ult(or you support tank it)
    good counter to him is braum cause he can cover a q and an entire ult.if you're support is bad sorry but nothing can help you deal with it

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  159. unfortunately the lucians i play against are always really smart. they conserve there mana choose the right trades and play aggresive the other problem is that he doesnt ever fall off hes a lane bully that DOESNT fall off so theres no cons to him which makes him really annoying to deal with. i understand that he sucks if he falls behind but its really hard to get him to fall behind unless hes just bad and i dont want to have to bet on my enemy being bad. and theres really nothing i can do if my solo laners dont do well. im tired of being on some no tank team playing against lucian with a bad support like wtf is this shit?

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  160. Take someone like Varus or Caitlyn and just poke the crap out of him with your Q rather than just someone like Corki. If they still want to push the lane, just stand at the base of your turret and farm under turret... if you do it right your turret won't take damage and you'll get free farm. PLUS if you have a somewhat competent jungler just call them down when you are constantly pushed under turret and you get a 3 on 2 fight that hopefully you can manage. Additionally if your so worried about Lucian, just tell people to ban him or tell your support to at least bring a heal for sustain like a Nami, Sona, or Soraka.

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  161. Yes, remove Kha'zix's non-existent silence.

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  162. Matias Ignacio Araneda ArayaNovember 16, 2014

    The question is syndra, annie or veigar? soo broken bursty champs

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  163. Don't start dorans blade lol. Her earlygame is weak and the ad will go to waste. Flask or shield are better options almost 100% of the time.

    Both give sustain which is what Irelia needs in lane. Flask also gives mana so generally I do that. I also prefer the e max before the w, it lets you have a 2 second stun at level 9 which is absolutely ridiculous. With this build I prefer sheen first in triforce because It lets me get the most out of the short trades that will be occurring. Phage gives more tankiness but implies that you want to make longer trades and sheen gives more damage on e and gives the sheen prod the attack after which you can then run away after that attack. :)

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  164. Her early game is not the best, but her w gives her insane sustain by level 9 (13 hp per hit, 26 when activated). Maybe you could start flask or shield into aggressive early game toplaners such as Pantheon, but Irelia does benefit a lot more from the ad and she should be constantly autoattacking, whether lasthitting or trading. You should be maxing w in general, as she really needs it to keep her dps up as well as granting sustain. However, an e max second is good.

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  165. Imo Soraka should be at least tier 1. I've been seeing a lot of her in challenger and many players think shes really strong. She's being banned here and there in challenger solo queue as well.

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  166. Still waiting for it....

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  167. I would say either syndra or annie.

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  168. kassadin has a minute of silence on his own, Oh wait.....

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  169. Josh ThurlowNovember 16, 2014

    Yeah, Syndra or Annie for sure. Veig has a harder time carrying, but if you get good he's so powerful, very strong in a comp that excels in catching people off. Annie and Syndra are both fairly easy (Annie is a recommended starter champ). and work well in teamfights as well as catch comps.

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  170. Yeah i was about to post the same. As a diamond support main i find sorakas poke and low cd heal amazing for soloq

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  171. Josh ThurlowNovember 16, 2014

    If they are overly aggressive then their mana will drain quickly. You mostly just need to play his game against him, worked for me a lot. You just need to zone him, force him to use mana to creep-score, and you'll get an advantage. Also, as Corki you're under tower last hit is great because of your passive, and lucian can't farm under your tower unless he uses spells or draws aggro. Call your jungler too, if you get trinity before he gets a core item (trinity or IE), just beat him. Cait is a good pick too, because your range is very strong. So use someone who can abuse back, or strong under tower farmers. As long as you don't fall super behind, you don't necessarily "lose" lane, you lose tower but then you can have some free farm

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  172. Josh ThurlowNovember 16, 2014

    Start flask, she has great sustain and damage with W, so the flask just makes you over the top. You can pick up a dorans blade on your 1st back if you want, but you usually want to just get right to getting your trinity-force. Get the Phage part if you're trading/need some defense or kite, get Sheen first if you're looking to start bursting or you're farming a lot (Bladesurge[your Q] uses sheen proc). Then you generally build tanky. Botrk is a luxury item.


    Boots, you usually go for Merc treads because then you have amazing tenacity BUT, if you're laning vs an AD who doesn't have amazing CC (like renekton for example), you can go for Ninja Tabi, and build a Zephyr later.


    You don't need much raw AD or Lifesteal, your Hiten Style covers your damage and sustain, as well as your ult.

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  173. Josh ThurlowNovember 16, 2014

    One awesome thing to learn is this: when you get your trinity force, you can one shot a caster minion when you activate Hiten style and have sheen proc for bladesurge. This will help your chase potential, also if you can: try to space out your ult procs so you can have the sheen proc multiple times.


    Also, remember that your Bladesurge (Q) resets on kill, so you want to use it to kill a minion next to your enemy, before using your E to stun the enemy. This is effective for 2 reasons: 1, it helps make sure you can stun them, as your Q may damage them too much for you to stun, and you'll just slow them. 2, it makes it so you have your Q to catch them if they try to escape.


    Again, just remember bladesurge resets on kill (and gives some mana back), so you can easily farm under tower, so don't be scared if you have to do that.

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  174. Josh ThurlowNovember 16, 2014

    Personally, I like Elise. Vi is simpler to use though. Based off of your junglers, I'd say you'd probably like Vi better.

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  175. Josh ThurlowNovember 16, 2014

    This edit helps my view of you, better. You explained very well how and when twitch is good, and I agree with you. Don't drop him if you enjoy him, because he really is pretty strong out of lane.

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  176. Josh ThurlowNovember 16, 2014

    I think her main problem is she sacrifices her own health, and if you don't hit Q, then you burn mana too.

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  177. Where is Sion support on this list? I've stomped with him (in normal queue lol).

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  178. Josh ThurlowNovember 16, 2014

    He's not on here for sup. Personally, I'd say he's Tier 3 for sup. Right now, his jungle power is strong, that's where I play him

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  179. Dunked By ViNovember 17, 2014

    So what do you guys think on riven? I mean as in her possibly making a comeback because with her counters getting nerfed she can make a serious comeback. Would love to hear your guy's thoughts.

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  180. ThatOther MichaelNovember 17, 2014

    Can anyone tell me how to build Sion in the jungle? Which has the better results, do you build him full Tanky, DPS, AD, or a mix of everything?

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  181. List is kinda bs as Zed is the most broken mid in the game atm.

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  182. Still got that Garen counterpick

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  183. Thanks for all the advice guys, I'll be sure to keep it all in mind when testing her out~

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  184. Look, he has a tier list specifically for you:
    http://www.nerfplz.com/2014/10/solo-queue-fotm-tier-list-october-patch.html

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  185. when i said look at khazix and kassadin i meant their permanerf,at least talon got only the silence removal

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  186. lucian is op because as a lane bully he doesn't fall of as he's supposed to be,this make a smart lucian able to dominate everygame
    i think varus and caitlyin could be right choices for deal with the nigga,since his range is low you can try to poke him low enough for an all in,also you don't need a support for poke so maybe it can work
    if nothing works just pray your god he's bad,a bad lucian is good for the other team XD

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  187. she's way too difficult and heavily dependant on making firstblood(or atleast the first kill of the lane)for doing something,if a riven falls behind she really falls behind

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  188. oh they already suggested varus and caitlyin :(
    well at least i can confirm both

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  189. veigar is very difficult but a good one can seriously carry a game,try to land those stuns,syndra is less difficult but still not easy because is hard to land stun and she falls of later and need knowledge for being still relevant
    annie on the other hand is very easy and do well against low range mid and can even WOMBO COMBO so i personally suggest annie(you can try her anyway cause she only costs 450ip)

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  190. main problem with soraka is that she cannot heal herself,in a game i tried to kill the enemy carry but it was impossible because op heals and then we started to focus support and we won easily

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  191. as i said,just having some hard cc doesn't make you a good support,in sion's case only a dumb person will stand on his q

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  192. everyone will suggest to rush sotag but is way better to rush sotel,sotag won't immediately help you while sotel gives you really strong ganks and OP clear(one of the fastest clears)
    after sotel rush tanky and if you need more damage take trinity,youmuu,iceborn or hexdrinker(hydra is a bad standalone item)
    when you're starting to stack up hp just sell sotel and buy sotag that is better mid/late game

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