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SEASON 3 - PATCH 3.11 SOLO QUEUE TIER LIST
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Getting over some food poisoning this week, so this tier list is coming out a little later than anticipated...that and solo queue power hour tends to extend into solo queue power month. Anyway, check out the changes below!
Patch Summary:
Nerfs: Thresh, Zac
Buffs: Draven, Fiora, Galio
Summary of Changes:
- Added AP Corki to the list
- Added Top Quinn
God Tier:
Mid-Lane Gods: Kassadin
Jungle Gods: Rammus, Amumu, Jarvan IV, Zac, Sejuani, Fiddlesticks,
AD Gods: Caitlyn, Corki
Top Lane Gods: Wukong, Tryndamere, Singed
Support Gods: Sona, Zyra, Janna, Thresh,
Tier 1:
Mid-Lane: Ahri, Malzahar, Zyra, Fizz, Zed, Kennen, Diana, Swain, Orianna, Twisted Fate, Lux, Kayle, Wukong, Brand, Corki, Lissandra, Morgana, Kha'Zix, Nidalee
Jungle: Elise, Nocturne, Aatrox, Nasus, Evelynn, Hecarim, Cho'Gath, Nautilus, Lee Sin, Volibear, Maokai,
AD Carry: Vayne, Twitch, Tristana, Draven, Varus, Graves, Ezreal, Miss Fortune, Kog'Maw, Ashe, Quinn
Top Lane: Darius, Jax, Renekton, Aatrox, Yorick, Kennen, Elise, Nasus, Jayce, Jarvan IV, Kayle, Irelia, Zac, Riven, Lee Sin, Udyr, Nidalee,
Support: Nami, Leona, Blitzcrank
Tier 2:
Mid-Lane: Jayce, Elise, Annie, Mordekaiser, Vladimir, Anivia, Viktor, Cassiopeia, Cho'Gath, Xerath, Katarina, Evelynn, Karthus, Ryze, Akali, Talon, Galio, Gragas
Jungle: Shyvana, Udyr, Shaco, Vi, Nunu, Kha'Zix, Master Yi, Shen, Warwick, Malphite, Leona, Trundle, Xin Zhao, Rengar, Skarner, Diana, Zed
AD Carry: Lucian, Sivir
Top Lane: Rumble, Teemo, Fiora, Rengar, Quinn, Vi, Swain, Kha'Zix, Shen, Vladimir, Gangplank, Cho'gath, Volibear, Garen, Zed, Malphite, Master Yi
Support: Fiddlesticks, Lulu, Taric, Alistar, Soraka
Tier 3:
Mid-Lane: Pantheon, Syndra, Veigar, Sion, Karma, Ziggs, Fiddlesticks
Jungle: Fiora, Riven, Pantheon, Dr. Mundo, Jax, Kayle, Darius
AD Carry:
Top Lane: Shyvana, Warwick, Xin Zhao, Ryze, Nunu, Pantheon, Akali, Galio, Talon, Trundle, Dr. Mundo, Poppy
Support: Morgana, Nunu, Lux, Nautilus, Shen, Nidalee
Tier 4:
Mid-Lane: Lulu, Kog'maw, Zilean, Leblanc, Soraka, Tristana, Janna, Ezreal, Heimerdinger
Jungle: Tryndamere, Olaf, Gangplank, Blitzcrank, Alistar
AD Carry: Urgot
Top Lane: Urgot, Olaf
Support: Kayle, Malphite, Gangplank, Elise, Maokai, Yorick, Lissandra, Karma, Ashe, Zilean, Leblanc, Caitlyn
- Champions in BOLD I will talk about shortly
- Champions in Italics may be over/undervalued, but aren't/haven't played enough for me to make a better judgement.
- Within each tier the champions are strongest from left to right, but within a tier each champion's strength is relatively close. This is especially true for Tiers 2 and 3 where these champions are ALL highly playable and player dependent on how strong they are in-game.
Champion Explanations
- Aatrox - As most of you have probably noticed by now, most pro observations on Aatrox being underpowered don't really hold true against popular champions in most Elos...he's extremely strong and does well in a lot of situations unless you build a team that specifically counters him. If he's split pushing and you don't send the right people to stop him, he can 1v2 or even 1v3 with ease.
- Corki - AP Corki is interesting, he doesn't have anything in the way of CC, but his burst damage and poking ability are pretty damn high. Of course, if you can't land your missiles he'll be near useless, but hopefully that's not an issue if you decide to pick him. AD Corki is also a solid play now, helped partially by the mana nerfs on his skills (which incidentally also helped AP Corki become viable) but also by the Phage "change" which was actually a buff to both Phage and Trinity Force.
- Darius - Nerfs to Elise and Jayce have helped Darius tremendously, and I think we'll see a resurgance in his play.
- Elise - While her laning phase has been nerfed, it's hard to dispute the amount of utility and potential she has with her kit.
- Evelynn - The fact that your team has to all buy pink wards instead of sight wards to have any effect at all makes her a nightmare...this combined with the fact that most people don't bother to ward at all to begin with...
- Fiddlesticks - Ninja bumped fiddle support up to top of tier 2. Although he's still best with a highly coordinated bot lane, even in solo queue his utility can make or break a game, not to mention his ultimate damage (even as support).
- Fiora - Fiora's buff definitely helped her out a bit, and like Darius, nerfs to popular counters have definitely upped her game. She's in a pretty balanced state at the moment.
- Fizz - As mid laners get dropped left and right in slews of nerfs, Fizz has barely been touched at all...leaving him of course and chief dunker.
- Jax - Jax hasn't been looked at in a while as well, and as everyone falls, it leaves the champ pretty high and mighty.
- Karma - Karma's actually not that bad, and does well against a few champions. She's still a champion I'd prefer on the enemy team rather than mine, but she's got her perks.
- Master Yi - Nerfed after initial broken remake, pretty average now.
- Orianna - A lot of the meta is shifting back towards AOE heavy comps rather than the poke comps that were popular a few months ago (blue ezreal, jayce, elise spiderling, etc.) and of course Orianna is queen of AOE set-ups.
- Quinn - Quinn top is an excellent counter to a lot of popular melee champions, and if she can get ahead it sets up the team well for a quick win. However, if the game drags on things can get hairy if you don't have enough in the way of a front line.
- Shaco - Shaco's rising back into popularity again, and of course we're reminded time and again why he's so fierce. His ability to control objectives, juke spells, and avoid wards really make him annoying to play against. His late game still isn't that good, but new items have given him greater strength than before.
- Shen - A lot of people think Shen should be Tier 1 or even God Tier, but his performance simply doesn't indicate that. Sure he's good if you can coordinate correctly and successfully pull off a countergank on every ultimate, but more likely than not then Shen ult will land right as your AD carry flashes backwards, leaving the both of you with any awkward "thanks..." as your only compensation.
- Swain - No nerfs on Swain makes the cripple a happy eccentric. With a lot of top laners choosing to go glass cannon instead of tanky, Swain makes for one of the few AP mids that normally builds tanky without giving up any of his usual power...which happens to be quite strong in its own regard.
- Wukong - This is mostly about Wukong mid. He does have to play passive for the first few levels just because he has no sustain, but once he gets his main skills he can basically smash the enemy mage for free shots whenever he wants, especially if he's being fed blues. He's very similar to Fizz in this regard, but with a better ultimate. It does require you to take an AP top to prevent putting all your eggs in one basket, which sometimes takes some convincing.
- Zed - Zed's AOE potential is amazing (see regi's play). While he definitely is a very skill capped champion and requires large amounts of practice to be good at, despite his nerfs he's still a very strong pick. He's no longer straight faceroll, but his farming ability still gives him enough oomf to be highly dangerous.
- The purpose of this list is for discussion and to provide a starting point for hero selection.
Agree? Disagree? Comment below!
Glad to hear it :) Wu's a rarity, but he's a pretty solid assassin, especially if you have someone like Rumble top.
ReplyDeleteTop lane Nasus popularity and perceived strength has spiked drastically. Check out lolking stats and GD forum ranting. Speaking from a good deal of Nasus experience (started maining him in open beta), he actually is fairly strong atm, in part because itemization is so great for him right now (dorans shield with his passive + LS quints making him a bit harder for common top laners to deny in lane, SV being amazing, 2 good sheen items). I've been playing and seeing a lot of top lane Nasus having great success, and I feel like he may be tier 1 material for the first time in a long time.
ReplyDeleteYou're right, he was actually on my list of champions to move up, not sure why it didn't translate over :)
ReplyDeleteWhat about AP Tristana? She is pretty op at early stages of the game and she can kill almost every carry amazingly fast with her combo.
ReplyDeleteShe peaks very early, and needs strong diving buddies, otherwise her role is very limited to lane stomping as her jump moves slow enough for her to die in teamfights even when she gets the resets.
ReplyDeleteWarning: low elo question. As far as carrying in Bronze elo is concerned, who would be a better mid laner? Fizz or katarina? I thought forsure katarina but now im second guessing myself based on fizz's placement.
ReplyDeleteCan you expand on why tryndamere is a top lane god? It's almost impossible to pick him in YOLO queue without getting counterpicked (cough teemo), and when you are 3rd-5th pick, good luck getting top. I think tier 1 is better for him.
ReplyDeletethe only reason karma remains underpowered is her terrible, terrible wave clear
ReplyDeleteOutside of teemo, there are very few Champions that will consistently beat him during every stage of the game. I don't really take how difficult it is getting a position into account when determining the placements.
ReplyDeleteKatarina is easier to use since she has no skill shots. Fizz is stronger overall though since he can kill tanky Champions as well.
ReplyDeleteHey, what do you think about veigar? Dat infinite ap at any stages of the late game should be killer right?
ReplyDeleteWow interesting wukong is a top lane god? How? What item path do you recommend?
ReplyDeleteNot related to soloqueue too much, but whats the best lane to carry yourself out of bronze soloqueue?
ReplyDeleteI've been going jungle a lot but even with an early advantage for all lanes Oceania players just are... bad.
Also I tried out mid quite often but i always end up going for safer champs (e.g ahri, morg - easy laning as well as escape) because im worried i might feed :/
It should be, but unfortunately to survive to that stage and to be effective at that stage requires some excellent aim and timing. Of course if you can pull it off it's great, but it's not reliable enough to be considered excellent.
ReplyDeleteBrutalizer -> Black Cleaver and Hydra are always good on him. The new Trinity Force is pretty good as well.
ReplyDeleteAny lane can carry as long as you're better than most of your counterparts who play that role. Ahri and Morg are both indeed very safe and strong.
ReplyDeleteso...i will start ranked now,witch champ do you think is the best for carrying in ranked?(my main is mid and i do decently on top/jungle)
ReplyDeleteWhat I meant was why is he a top lane god? Never even seen him past tier 2 on other ppl's list
ReplyDeleteDaniel, Elise is just awesome, but a little hard to learn to use correctly.
ReplyDeleteSejuani and Nocturne are excellent gankers.
Ninja change, moving Nocturne to Tier 1 and only second to Elise (I might be wrong, but it was tier 2 last list). Do you believe that he'll be performing better in this AOE meta? Once everything's been thrown, ult and do your assassin thing?
ReplyDeleteCurious to hear why Syndra is considered a tier 3, she seems like a champion who crushes teams once she gets a kill or two
ReplyDeleteKassadin!!! :')
ReplyDeleteI think Akali is good too if played well
Play what you know to play...
he is so stronk :')
ReplyDeleteafter level 6 puns of damage...100 to 0 maybe if you farmed well at least and what champion are you against and what build he has :')
Well I dont understand why is Tryndamere such a "God" pick for top lane.
ReplyDeleteShe's a very good duelist and one of the best early game champions in the game, but the skill and precision necessary to execute her skills during a teamfight effectively reduces her potential greatly.
ReplyDeleteSince her damage and utility focuses greatly around being set up in the right spot at the right time, during late game teamfights with high movement and fast engages she loses a lot of luster, which has consistently landed her in a bottom 10 win rate since her release day in and day out.
I do like her though, and I see some European players using her very effectively, but at the same time when you watch, you have to say to yourself "damn, I've never seen anyone play her like that..."
Once he gets his shiv he split pushes like a monster and can make clean getaways with his cheap ass spinny sword and bullcrap ultimate. :D
ReplyDeletewhere is rengar in tier 1 ?
ReplyDeleteBtw SSJ u dont play black cleaver since its nerfed.. its not cost efficient.
The ADC listing is really messed up... I mean no one in Tier 3 but 1 in Tier 4? It just feels weird to look at. Like I know Urgot isn't in the best condition right now but he doesn't really need to be that far down. If he is alone in Tier 3 and no one below him, people will still get that he isn't that good. I dunno, just my opinion. Like that Darius move though :D
ReplyDeleteSince you have all these awkward supports like Caitlyn, could you add support Heimerdinger to the list? He is definitely more support-like then Caitlyn and there is this guy named Kryptonian who mains Heimerdinger mid, top, and support (even jungle sometimes) and he says support is definitely more viable than the choices on the list currently. Heimerdinger top and jungle in the tier list would be pretty cool, but you don't have to do it if you really dislikee Heimerdinger. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPsLEiwhUQQ
ReplyDeleteHeimerdinger is indeed a viable support, that Caitlyn drop off is more of a fan service to a few people. However, I can't really say how effective it is since it really depends on the player...I've also seen tryndamere support dominate, but again, really hard to say how good it is...
ReplyDeleteTier list of the gods, Richard.
ReplyDeleteI still think you overrate Irelia, but I overrated Karma.
She's certainly Tier 3, but when she gets ahead she's more powerful than most because of her 150% AP rations on her R > Q. Otherwise her shields are worse than most utility mids and her snare is less reliable.
I'm 100% happy with this tier list.
This seems to be an odd adc list.. i feel varus and ashe should be much higher. With the amount of cc available from supports now. Having double cc bot can go a long way. Win percentages confirm this as theyre the only highly played acs with a win percentage above 50%. Caitlyn and vayne are still very strong. Caitlyn especially. I dont understand the corki pick.
ReplyDeleteThat jungle list is awesome. However im still pushing for vi to be higher. She counters both zac and j4 if played properly and can both tank and carry games. Not god tier. But high first tier. Not quite lee good, but good.
Fizz and zed are very strong atm, perhaps more so than ahri. Kass is still amazing. I mostly agree with everyone in tier 1, although everyone is very close in terms or strength. Khaz ix seems primed to go up in strength. Brand win rate was not a joke apparently.
Nothing to say about that support list. Very strong. Although I cant get a handle on janna. That support annie seems interesting.
At some point ill have to play wukong. I dont see him being able to control the game as much as singed or tryndamere. Teemo has been such an annoying pick. Those ap tops arent as strong anymore with the ad buffs and ap nerfs.
Like youve mentioned the aoe comps seem to being brought back hence my ashe and varus praise. Hopefully my kennen will come back strong!
Which support Annie are you talking about? You mean the one who was dominating my team earlier today? :P
ReplyDeletei still disagree with urgot top... He is an amazing duelist . A good urgot can beat most of players if it is a 1v1. Nobody plays him in bot (let alone top) so we cant go based on win rate .
ReplyDeleteI can counter a darius as much as a kayle would do
blind pick? anything that can carry and snowball in the jungle (j4,noc, elise, amumu ,hecarim) you have to start with a couple of offensive items to snowball , then go tanky for team fights. Lee sin works too but he is beyond hard to master
ReplyDeleteone advice u ll thank me for later :
ReplyDeleteDODGE THE GAMES YOU DONT LIKE, in placement games you can dodge freely , the game will wait until you have played 10 games . So go and lolking your teammates, and only play games where you have an advantage (example :fizz vs tf...) do not play any other lane than your main (mid,is it?)
even if it takes you a week to finish 10 games. 5-5 will get you in silver 5 most likely, but aim for at least 8-2 if you will go pick your games carefully (i did 10-0 on 2 smurfs pretty easy)
Thanks for the fast reply! I really appreciate your input, it just bothers me that the donger is only in mid on tier list (which is imho his weakest role, because he gets outranged like fiddlesticks)
ReplyDeleteTrue, but the fact that he's very rarely played makes people underestimate a lot of his utility and damage. I'd only trust someone with a win rate to back it up though...
ReplyDeleteI'm just saying what that diamond i guy said about him, i added him and he is very kind and answered all my questions about the donger. 38-16 as Heimerdinger in ranked diamond I is very impressive in my opinion. I realized that just because a champion isn't in a high tier doesn't mean their not viable if mastered, its just that it is harder to accomplish what is needed. Thank you for the replies SSJ :) You helped me discover the fun of AP Corki through this tier list
ReplyDeleteNo problem Jeffrey, that's what the list is for :)
ReplyDeleteI am rather surprised that you placed singed as god tier, don't get me wrong I am an avid singed player but he struggles against midgame power houses and gets countered awfully in lane. I think the main reason I stopped main ing him at gold 1 was due to the reliance on your team to do well especially your midlaner and without a xin or other powerganker as a jungler your god like displacement is use less due to lack of dmage and risk of countergank. Not to mention Singers greatest strengthening turn into team complacency being misconcieved and telling you to engage which results in getting listed and flames at.still tier 1 but too many f laws until really low or really high elo.
ReplyDeleteI believe personally believe that Shyvana is underrated in this list. I understand that she has no cc for ganks, excluding her Ult, however Shyvana can offer a lot to lanes to help them snowball or even make herself snowball. She can be built Tanky and peel for carries on a team, She offers strong Dps for duels and even an strong AoE Dps. Also i've been going Exhaust with her and most of my ganks have been very efficient. Also she has been buff & some strong junglers have also been nerfed. To conclude, i believe shyvana should be worthy of a tier one and if you do not agree, please state your reasons.
ReplyDeleteI am curious to see why Shyvana is placed tier 2. I understand that she does lack cc for successful ganks, however that does not mean that she isn't viable. I believe her perks include - Strong Dps with Aoe damage, Movement speed buff for chasing, VERY fast clear time, VERY tanky even without the use of defensive items ( items just make her more annoying and to shut down), also i have been going Exhaust to make up for the lack of cc and most of my ganks have been successful, not to mention my chasing abilities are amazing. In late game, she can peel for the carries, strong initiation, become tanky when team needs one, and i find her split pushing to be very effective. If you do not agree, please state your reasons.
ReplyDeleteSo Let Me ask, Is Corki Or Caitlyn better in teamfights, lategames, and laning, and EASY to use.
ReplyDeletecan you guys give me your thoughts on swain?
ReplyDeleteSwain is awesome
ReplyDeleteErmagerd. As a player that mains mid and likes to play Le Blanc on occasion and generally dominate (Not to boast) I question why she is being grouped with Soraka in terms of mid lane ability. I personally think that Pantheon and Le blanc should switch Mid Lane tiers. But just my opinion :P
ReplyDeleteI know wukong as a champion is great but can I ask why is he a god tier in the top lane but only tier 1 in mid? He is much stronger in mid as he has much easier matchups than top lane.
ReplyDeleteI know I am not the author of the tier list, but i got some light to shed here:
ReplyDelete1. Being placed in tier 2 leaves no implied shade of unviability. I think if shyvana had strong CC, she would be tier 1.
2. It's matter of meta, when you got things like Zed , Kassadin, Fizz (Aka squishy assassins) at mid, you strongly prefer your jungler to be Nautilus or Zac than Shyvana.
I know I am not the author of the tier list, but i got some light to shed here:
ReplyDelete1. Being placed in tier 2 leaves no implied shade of unviability. I think if shyvana had strong CC, she would be tier 1.
2. She has some strong damage, but her utility is almost entirely dependant on her items and summoner spells. I can't find any strong SHYVANA utility sides you posted here, the strength lies in YOU building her tanky, and taking exhaust over flash. All that THE CHAMPION provides is some mobility, AoE and damage. You can build her hydra to give her lifesteal, but she has no lifesteal built in like Lee Sin. You can give her Exhaust to provide with a strong slow, Nasus has a strong slow himself. You can use your R to initiate so you don't need your flash, but Hecarim does the same thing ... just better, cause he has a fear.
3. It's matter of meta, when you got things like Zed , Kassadin, Fizz (Aka squishy assassins) at mid, they strongly prefer the jungler to be Nautilus, Hecarim or Zac to Shyvana.
I think it largely comes from her poor late game. She can really dominate early and mid game, but doesn't provide as much late game. Of course, if she can nuke the AD carry, she's still providing a huge amount of utility that way.
ReplyDeleteGlad I'm not the only one who has a hard time typing ratios.
ReplyDeleteSwain is annoyingly strong...
ReplyDeleteCaitlyn's easier to use, everything else depends.
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely amazing, my main
ReplyDeleteIt's mostly because Leblanc is *supposed* to outdamage other AP champions early since she's an early game assassin, but if you miss her chain then she'll generally lose in trades to a lot of popular mid-laners, which really doesn't make much sense.
ReplyDeleteThat being said, a lot of Tier 4 champions are very skill-based and can still do well, it's just the effort to reward ratio is a lot lower than other champions.
Quick question. When did Tryndamere get into the God Tier? Last time I checked he wasn't even in the top portion of Tier 1. Just curious is all.
ReplyDeleteThe issue with doing that is that even though she can 1v1 Fiddle, fiddle still has more utility and hard counters certain champions like Vlad.
ReplyDeleteLe blanc may not have any sustain but she has the burst to take down her opponent and have time to recall with giving her enemy mid free farm also she has cc and counters champs like Ahri and Ziggs but I understand your point of view I'm just saying my opinion.
ReplyDeleteCan you pls update dominion tier list?
ReplyDelete60 + 30 + 60 = 150
ReplyDeletetotal AP scaling on all three instances.
lol
Since the highlight of Ravenous Hydra which made splitpusher like Tryndamere or Wukong being God picks :)
ReplyDeleteOkay thanks, I've never played Trynd, plus I'm kind of new to League overall, so I was just wondering why he made the jump to God.
ReplyDeleteI noticed you've bumped up 'ol Rammus to the top spot in God Tier. What was the reason for change? The biggest complaint I hear about him is his power ball is easily dodged by going through your own minion wave.
ReplyDeleteI think Rengar is at least tier one right now. (Or I am just playing against noobs)- xSir Troll Alotx
ReplyDeleteHe's not as tanky nor as lethal as other junglers...he's kinda blah, when my team has him I cry cause jarvan/Zac will just tank his shots he has to have a great initiation
ReplyDeleteWhy did you suddenly move Caitlyn to god tier? What has changed?
ReplyDeleteDoesn't do much late game or ganking without a bush, if you want to assassinate out of the jungle nocturne is a much safer pick,
ReplyDeleteAA range is op, has a natural escape from ganks, her ult can pick off targets from a ridiculously safe distance, and her traps can reveal enemies in unsafe places. She brings more to the table then the others
ReplyDeleteKarma shoulda be added for top lane. She is a VERY strong top laner.
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Have you considered Poppy jungle? I'm sure early game harass and farming are an issue with why she's "only" Tier 3 for top.
ReplyDeletei personally think rengar should be put higher in the tier list... if built glass canon and played correctly, the adc will be practically gone during any teamfight. PLUS the oracle sight range nerf will mean that supports wont see him until the last second meaning the only counter to him are vision wards.
ReplyDeleteIsn't tiget stane udyr and IRELIA top GOD?
ReplyDeleteThere's a lot of reasons why he's as strong as he is, perhaps the biggest one is thatt he current meta extremely complements splitpushing and tryd is an absolute god in that department.
ReplyDeleteA couple patches ago, I asked why Malzahar was tier 1. You said you would explain it, still waiting. lol
ReplyDeletecan you use underline instead of Italics for your under/overvalued champs.. would be loads easier to see
ReplyDeleteWhat the helllll happennd to OLAF?! :(( From tier 1 to tier 4 on like everyone's list! I took a break from LoL for a while, so I'm really just curious. What exactly nerfed him so badly? The jungle rework?
ReplyDeletehum... just wondering, if there is support Lissandra on the list; why isn't there top Lissandra? She is way more viable as a top than a support and way more frequent.
ReplyDeleteDo you still reconn Zac is God tier jungler after The nerfs ?
ReplyDeleteI'm surprised we don't hear that much about Quinn Mid. She rips through melee AP's like Fizz, does major damage with Harrier and Vault to AP casters who normally build MR with their AP items, rather than armor, for which there are really only two items that give armor and AP. Her W allows Valor to act as a check for any incoming ganks if you're feeling that Zyra is being a LITTLE too kind with your pushing, and if someone tries to gank you, just pop your R and fly away laughing!
ReplyDeleteI think Gangplank is pretty underrated on this list. But that's mainly because he's so underplayed and if he's played, it's not to his fullest potential. But if you max W you get sick sustain (afterwards max E), you just build statikks and wits end for dmg (maybe gaunlet too) and then get really tanky. I like getting randuins next, then mercs and rest according. Masteries should be pretty tank orientated (i go 1/22/7) because most of you dmg comes from your passive early and like this you can duel longer and sustain through everything with W. And - contrary to many other tops - you can help out on the whole map and even net some kills and assists!
ReplyDeletei have a 70%+ winrate with this build, for even "hardcounters" like pantheon cant match your sustain. try it, i he is my most played champ in ranked!
He got destroyed with massive nerfs at the beginning of season 3 and nothing else happened to him since.
ReplyDelete1. Your team should not always expect you to engage and flip a carry. If you're getting kited by the enemy carries or hampered by the support, you can just stay in the middle of the enemy team and flip/glue tanks and assassins away from your ADC/APC.
ReplyDelete2. Singed is a god tier precisely because he comes back easily. Even when countered or down in farm or kills.
Zac still god tier jungler after the recent nerfs `
ReplyDelete?
Zac still godtier jungler after recept nerfs ?
ReplyDeleteI sincerely think Aatrox must get into God Tier...
ReplyDeleteCompare to Wukong i see Aatrox doing better in laning phase lately than Wukong and botch got amazing utility for team fights!
Why no Lee Sin for mid? ;( He isn't that kind of "pure assasin" like AD-casters Zed, Kha'Zix but he has a pretty good damage and (imo) insane ratios (Q has 180 bonus ad and ultimate 200 bonus ad, oh and E with 100 bonus ad) + his very nice escape-tool (ward-W).
ReplyDeleteYou got my point... Any objections?
where is GANGPLANK mid ?
ReplyDeleteXerath is quite good in mid lane, easy to farm and stun. With Rylai staff and Liandry mask he can kill and sp well. His Q skill is quite dangerous for magic pen, spam skill from every far and retreating (or chasing). He should be tier 1 in mid. If play safely, almost no one can bid him in 1vs1 mid at the start.
ReplyDeletewhy master yi is so high? he is tier 3 at best. In top he is too squshy to fight brusiers/mages, his mana cost are so high that he cant rely farm with q. After rework his early/mid game was nerfed, and now they nerfed his dmg even more so he cant trade with like any top.
ReplyDeleteIn jungle his clear time is good and that is all. His ganks pre 6 are meh, post 6 he still need red and teammate with good cc to get kill.
So what was your reason to pick him in tier 2?
Also, why you think his rework was broken?
Why is Sion only listed as a tier 3 Mid? I was reading this, hoping to find out sion's top or hell, jungle tier... not like you ever see him anymore :c
ReplyDeleteAatrox is really effective for beginners (Unranked play)
ReplyDeleteIf you play him correctly you will always end up carrying the team
then you are doing it wrong, build crit' damage for massive success
ReplyDeleteWheres Mordekaiser on the top lane tier list? I mean. I've played him so much recently, and I'm just plain impressed at how amazing he is, especially champions like Xin Zhao or Jarvan. He can play super aggressively, and he can 2v1 if he gets ganked, but he dies if mid comes along too. Most of the time I just end up zoning the enemy top laner till I have like a 100 cs and he has like 20. His lane presence is amazing.
ReplyDeleteAnd the fact that due to his passive and his usual build, he can just fight both the top laner and the jungler at once, especially since a good Mordekaiser will keep his enemy top laner at low health. But of course he is situational, Certain picks like Jax just wrecks him. If he gets stunned or knocked up too long, he wouldn't be able to get his shield up or utilize his spellvamp, but this only applies if the Stun-er is able to deal alot of damage during the window of time in which MordeKaiser is stunned.
FYI. This isn't based on one or two games, I've been playing Mordekaiser a lot these recent months. And I've had a very good time playing him. More than often, I find myself snowballing and eventually winning the game, He's definitely my favorite pick for the Top Lane, And I believe that he should be at least listed on the Top Lane tier list.
Y vayne is not in god tier!!!!:(
ReplyDeleteI'm not the author of this article but here is my opinion. :)
ReplyDeleteFirstly, Because the meta right now is all about lane dominance. And unless Vayne get paired up with a support with a lot of damage, she just doesn't do much early game. Especially since she has 525 Range, where as most champions have 550 range, her 'stun' is so easy to prevent, its pretty much meaningless to have at high level play. These factors makes it easier for other carries to assert their dominance in lane. Other carries such as such as Graves, Caitlyn(600++ or 600 range) or Corki all have a stronger earlier game. However the reason as to why Vayne is so high up on tier 1 is because of her potential late game DPS. Which is only 2nd(maybe) to Draven. But even then, her invisibility allows her to juke better than Draven. So Vayne is good, But her early game just can't compare to those of Caitlyn and Corki which are good throughout the game.
Please add Jungle Twitch hahaha
ReplyDeleteI really feel like lulu should be a tier 1 support, I mean she has so much utility and allows the lane to be very aggressive, yet still remain pretty safe. She has an amazing silence/slow in the form of whimsy, allowing her to shut down an incoming gank or adc. She also has great poke and slow with glitterlance, and combined with her shield and ultimate which is almost like a shareable nasus/renekton ult, it gives a good amount of turret diving options to your own adc. Is the reason she isnt high enough on the list because she has no heal or something? What is your opinion on the lulu?
ReplyDeleteHi Antivenom, I think you might be a little confused, God Tier is higher than Tier 1.
ReplyDeleteHi Joosh, the reason why Lulu isn't tier 1 is because she needs more coordination to use correctly, which is harder to pull off in solo queue. Other champions have a much higher margin of error.
ReplyDeleteMan tier god it's better '-'
ReplyDeleteJungle Twitch is so hit or miss it's kinda hard to place him on a tier.
ReplyDeleteThe problem with Mordekaiser top lane is that he's very reliant on playing aggressively in order to keep his shield up. This means that he tends to overextend, and is easily camped, which is amplified when he's top lane as he has no actual escapes. While 1v1 he can do well, it's too easy to feed off of him with jungler support, even if he wards.
ReplyDeleteSion's just a little underwhelming, but he's by no means weak. The main issue with him is that a lot of champions can blow up his shield from long range, which takes away the majority of his AP damage. If played correctly he's still very strong, but that's a big if. Against a team with low kiting power, AD Sion can be a beast as well, but that's also rare to see.
ReplyDeleteEven though his win rate has dropped substantially, I think his diving ability, jungling sustain, and disruption capabilities are still amazing.
ReplyDeleteI'll keep that in mind Daniel, thanks for pointing that out :)
ReplyDeleteExplained it a few patches ago, his damage is above average, and his synergy with liandries allows him to solo peel tanks and instagimp carries, especially now that his pool is instant and can be hit 100% of the time with his suppression.
ReplyDeleteYea my brain derped, other than that its a great list you can remove the comment if you want
ReplyDeleteHaha it's all good, maybe someone else has the same question
ReplyDeleteXerath is very vulnerable to ganks due to his lock down as well as he is item reliant to land his skill shots.
ReplyDeleteI feel any adc in mid lane leaves your team with a lack of ap as well as most mids can easily out range them.
ReplyDeleteA junglers job is to set up kills so your lanes can snow ball for rengar to be good he needs to be fed or else he will fall off late game. Also his top lane isn't as strong as he needs to be for falling off late game. Late game most bruisers can deal massive damage to squishys as well.
ReplyDeleteSplit pushing is very good with the current meta even if tryn doesn't win lane he will give you hell.
ReplyDeleteI think its to underplayed to pin point where it should be on a tier list.
ReplyDeleteIm wondering what counters Wukong and Jarvan mid? I realize that their top lane counters could just lane swap but i feel like most mid laners wouldn't swap. And not just soft counters im talking someone that is almost unbeatable against one of them.
ReplyDeletePoppy jungle isn't that bad she has some insane burst and the new jungle changes really helps her. But with a slow clear time and a lack of cc i'd say shes a situational jungle pick for when your team has a lack of burst.
ReplyDeleteIt's silly to think that 1v1 is all that matters why chose urgot if you can get a better duelist with an escape and good late game instead of falling off in team fight stage. if you enjoy urgot top just play jax or tryn.
ReplyDeleteThe problem with urgot is that he lacks a reliable escape as well as his auto range is terrible. He relies on landing harass yet needs to get close to cs. his play style and kit is very bad compared to other adcs barely making him viable.
ReplyDeleteI meant the word 'ratios'. In the first post you typed 'rations'. I make the same mistake almost every time I try to type the word ratios.
ReplyDeletewukong can counter many ap mids
ReplyDeleteWhy do people always assume jungle Rengar? Top Rengar is very strong built glass cannon, especially with the resurgence of squishier tops. Mid and late game his ultimate used correctly in a team fight is a guaranteed kill on the apc or adc.
ReplyDeleteTop Rengar could be tier 1. He can be played well against squishy or tanky tops, and even against traditional counters like Jax. Even if he loses top lane he can roam mid for a guaranteed kill. Rengar should almost always have enough cs and kills to become a huge threat to the enemy apc or adc mid and late game.
ReplyDeleteHi, i was reading you blog and i saw the God Tier List
ReplyDeleteJungle Gods: Rammus, Amumu, Jarvan IV, Zac, Sejuani, Fiddlesticks,
Do you Could Describe why are this champs in God Tier?
i mean, ever the ppl say that Fiddlesticks is OP, but why as a God?
Regards ,and thanks for you reply bro
Do you still believe that Rumble is tier 2? I've seen many people do well with him, so I just wanna know if he's tier 1 or not.
ReplyDeleteI know this. I'm just saying its only adding insult to injury by putting him that far down when he really doesn't need to be.
ReplyDeleteWell someone's gotta be last, with a second to last place win rate and a dead last popularity rate (by a long shot) it's hard to find a higher contender!
ReplyDeleteI'm not the author, but I think you've already hit it on the spot.
ReplyDeleteTake Fizz. Fizz can do everything you say LB can do early-mid game, but doesn't have the poor farming or late game scaling LB suffers from.
The difference between Zyra and Lulu is that the latter's shields/ult more some team coordination and communication and is also reactive to what happens on screen, whereas it's easier to see Zyra's root/knockup coming and react to it.
ReplyDeleteHe deserve Tier 1
ReplyDeleteI guess urgot better fits tier 4 then 3.
ReplyDeleteTier 3: These champions can still do very well, but tend to need a little more snowballing to get rolling. Even if they get an early lead, it's still very possible to turn the tides on them with just a mistake or two. They may also have some weaknesses that can be capitalized on.
Tier 4: These champions are either underpowered or offer less reward than other champions for the same amount of effort. These champions basically start winning from the get-go or get made fun of for the rest of the game. They need gold to do their job correctly, and if they don't get enough of it, they become sandbags for the enemy team to punch. Chances of a comeback with one of these champions feeding on your team is almost none.
I feel like you overlooked Vi's capabilities, as someone who plays wukong top lane alot i find that when im facing a Vi i barely even stand a chance and her ability to just shred armor without even building and cleaver or whisper is pretty ridiculous. though i am stuck in the void of bronze 5 so i dont know how credible i am to be saying this, i would like it very much if you explained why she is a tier 2.
ReplyDeleteHmm wat about tristana mid?
ReplyDeleteyea I have to agree, Vi is among the best junglers in the game now and imo without question she deserves tier 1 or probably god tier. She just brings so much to the table.
ReplyDeleteso could you give more details about wukong like masteries and runes cause its seems other toplaners like nasus rene etc just outscales him
ReplyDeleteWell, she does well against some champs and not so well against others. Her pros are that she has a gap closer, armor shred, and can poke you behind minions. On the other side, aside from her q and her ult, she has no way to stick to a target and no ability to escape outside of the Q dash. I'd say tier 2 is about right for her.
ReplyDeleteWhat Tonnerz said. Her early game is so weak and her range so small that she's bound to get beat up unless there is a high skill advantage vs your opponents.
ReplyDeleteTier 1 maybe...But god tier plz keep the facts real...
ReplyDeleteShe is a version evolved of Warwick let's say but she is really harder to master to be "God" material and even "Tier 1"
SSJ make this tier based on his own opinion and his opinion is by most Vi he sees IG he judge her about "Tier 2" and it isnt bad at all!
Glass cannon just like Corki same same but different!
ReplyDeleteNo banana bushes = less threat
ReplyDeleteSquishy assassin mid meta= not impossible,just hard to get to
Also falls off late game
Plz add jarvanIV mid.
ReplyDeleteJust saying there is a reason riot is reworking him, and it is not because he is too weak.
ReplyDeleteExactly
ReplyDeletei think you should add adc kennen. its pretty damm strong and quite alot of people play him in this role (and also tf adc is kinda sweet).
ReplyDeleteFiddle is op because..
ReplyDelete1. Year Long Fear
2. Intiation over Wall
3. Massive Sustain in Jungle
4. Bouncing Silence
Both Kennen and TF as ADCs are a bit underplayed, and subsequently hard to place. They're not quite at the same level of effectiveness as most of the true ADCs, IMO.
ReplyDeleteThey can work, but they're not necessarily ideal picks. TF's roaming potential is hampered when he's put in bot lane, and Kennen loses his AOE effectiveness.
Thanks for you reply bro, Would be good if you can try to explain about god tier champs in the article.
ReplyDeleteOnce time more, thanks for you reply :) this is an amazing blog
Depends if you mean Tristana AD or AP?
ReplyDeleteive been playing Vi lately and it seems to me that she should be higher. I understand that she can be brought down. but i can see why she is tier 2 just want more info as to why?
ReplyDeleteMabey you are right about TF, but kennen is actully really strong compared to other AD carries. He is probebly the ADC with the most consistent CC (AOE stun with his ult and the ability to stun individual targets every few seconds) and he also does alot of hybrid damage (very similiar to corki IMO), so it's really hard to counter him with items.
ReplyDeleteI think Gragas should be Tier 1 or top of Tier 2 not the bottom.
ReplyDeleteI feel like Gragas should be in tier one. He has very safe farming against the current mid lane assassin meta, is great at sieges with his poke and his ability to spread the enemy team out of the fight with his ult (watch the Najin Black Sword vs SKT match), and he has insane damage and mobility allowing him to roam and possibly pick up a few kills here and there.
ReplyDeleteAD Tristana as a mid is okay. Tristana takes a very long time to get going, meaning that your team's likely going to lack a strong mid-game unless you can really get ahead in lane, which doesn't always happen.
ReplyDeleteAP Tristana's basically burstmaster. Doesn't work with every team either. She's fun, though.
I'd say Tier 4 when AP, and I think she's a bit underplayed as AD mid. Maybe Tier 4?
Extremely good players can probably put him around Tier 1 in terms of effectiveness, but for the rest of us mere mortals, he's a little too difficult to use (and thusly inconsistent) to be a valued pick.
ReplyDeleteTotally viable if you take the time to learn his nuances, but there are stronger picks overall.
Rammus has tons of single-target CC to the point where his ganks are practically guaranteed kills.
ReplyDeleteAmumu has an absurd ult, and still does decent damage while building tanky.
Jarvan IV does tons of damage, and offers plenty of CC at all stages of the game.
Zac and Sejuani offer tons of CC while still providing tons of damage.
Fiddlesticks gives a lot of CC in ganks, and can provide an absurd amount of late-game damage.
Don't mix SoloQ and competitive play (lvl asian) Gragas has strong moves with experimented hands but his ult is like a great and bad at the same time if you apply in a form of team fight damage you might save up some of the enemy team and you team will bash you for that.
ReplyDeleteSo think twice when you pick it!
Because Zac Jarvan Sejuani for exemple will always do better ! until some changes.
ReplyDeleteHi, I was just thinking about the thresh ADC build and decided to try it top lane. I played quite well overall, i'm not saying it's in the top tiers but I think top Thresh deserves a place on the list.
ReplyDeleteany thoughts?
Fizz should be in one of the top lane tiers, i use him to counter top lane jax
ReplyDeleteWhy is lux Tier 3 support?
ReplyDeleteWhen I support, I either main Lux or Zyra, and I feel Lux is more effective in team fights than Zyra, because of her combo w/ Ult that can drop HP's.
Rengar is just too squishy early game and relies heavily on snowballing to be good. His burst is fantastic but if you can't get kills you fall behind quickly.
ReplyDeleteI rather have a late game Zyra support than Lux...just saying!
ReplyDeleteBut if you are great Lux support (which is super rare...) keep the good work up!
Also notable is that Kennen needs a few items to really be a threat, and at the stage of the game where he has those, most of the other ADCs outshine him, either with higher damage potential (Vayne), or safer engages (Caitlyn, Tristana, Kog'Maw, Ezreal).
ReplyDeleteNoting you focus on how much it atributes to the team, I just can't comprehend you placing Corki in GodTier, I highly doubt he can carry a game to late game like most late game hyper carries like Tristana, Miss Fortune or Vayne just because of losing critical dpm lategame because of the manamune build. Sure, he has a decent early game, but late game he is nowhere to being a "God". He's got a built in flash? so does tristana, and her damage amps up lategame to become a monster. AP builds strong? I'm yet to see the 10,000damage Lucian's ult (one of the most broken ap rations in the game). And more importantly, corki is a pretty rare pick for ranked for a reason: lots of counters.
ReplyDeleteAnd for mid pick, I doubt kass would be god tier...tier 1 or 2 at most. Why? Counterability, and doesn't contribute to the team much but damage. Lux on the other hand, has some absurd ability to play against almost any match up safely, provide decent utility, CC and support to map plays, a lot more than most ap carries that can just do damage and kill. Same goes for ahri, extremely mobile, high CC kit that provides huge potential por team plays, where kassadin does...just damage. Even a diana provides more damage, tankiness and CC for the team than kassadin.
As for god tier...wukong??? I, and I'm sure many, many players know wukong isn't much of a problem. Simply put he doesn't scale to greatly to lategame and apport as much to the team and plays like say...a Riven, an Elise or Jayce (CC, mobility, AoE kit and damage), he just becomes a tank with one good ult. Same goes for trynd, even if you were a pro trynd, not to hard to counter him and beat him with team plays. Sure, he can backdoor an entire base in solo queue, but once again, it's a risky move dependent on snowballing, something that doesn't come every game, and if does, it's at a cost (Trynd becomes fed, rest of the team becomes worthless, killing trynd ends the game).
Sorry, but I feel your tier list is rather biased on damage, rather than how much it can contribute to the team. I know it's solo queue, but hell, I can easilly bet a pro vayne/tristana will have a higher win rate in solo queue than a corki, just because it can carry the game to lategame, just as I'm sure a lux would have a higher win rate than a kassadin on solo queue because of the utility it can provide to help other lanes. I hope you consider this on your next tier list...just by watching Tournaments you can get some idea which are the real "God tier champs". Forgive my bad english, and no offense, just giving out my opinion on these picks.
Hi Sarxion, those are some very good observations you have there, and a lot of the champions you've mentioned are actually getting shuffled around in the next update to the tier list, which is falling behind due to the changing meta every world championship provides.
ReplyDeleteIn terms of solo queue, the easiest way to win is to either use a "cheese" strategy - Tryndamere/Teemo, or to use something with extremely high team synergy that can help your team snowball to victory in a way that's easy to follow up on (Amumu/Fiddle/Malzahar ultimate).
There's also another type of "cheese" strategy, which is to simply win your lane, which will automatically win you the game about 1/3 of the time, which reduces your 50/50 on teammates to 33% instead of 50%.
In any case, a properly executed strategy is always more "OP" than relying on teammates to follow up on than a hard to predict engage with low telegraphy (such as an uncommunicated Alistar flash pulverize or InSec Lee Sin play in solo queue).
While certain plays are game-changing and can allow a team to easily snowball, they require higher amounts of communication since the time gap between their effectiveness is very small compared to say an Amumu ultimate or a Rammus gank. The enemy team and the allied team can see both of them coming, but will find it very difficult to stop once it's in action. The same can be said for a well warded Tryndamere or Singed split push, as both teams naturally understand what's going on, but will find it difficult to coordinate a counterattack in solo queue.
The main reason why Corki became God tier all of a sudden is the huge trinity force buff that Riot plugged in, reducing the cost and increasing the strength simultaneously. After the nerf it should bring Corki back into line with the other Tier 1 AD carries. Just to note, no Corki should ever be building manamune. Trinity Force and Infinity Edge/Bloodthirster should be your priority. He's also got the 6th highest ban rate of any champion at the moment.
The reason Lux and Ahri haven't been placed in God Tier in the past is because they're very reliant on executing their combos perfectly to one shot a team, and Lux has the rare ability to absolutely nothing if she's bad enough.
Wukong's very strong right now with the current state of Hydra, and the fact that he's not played more often is due to public sentiment. His solo queue win rate has been the highest of any top laner for about 4 patches in a row now, and it's hard to argue with the results.
Your English is actually quite good, if you didn't say anything I wouldn't have said anything. Thanks for your comments!
Why is Panth Tier 3 for Top?
ReplyDeletei think you underestimate fiddle on top and mid lane. he can be very strong there if you play him well.
ReplyDeleteWhat about support Heimerdinger?
ReplyDeleteCan do the job but extra "exotic" imo
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ReplyDeleteHm he falls kinda hard late game and you rather snowball early or you are screwed...
ReplyDeletewtf why lulu is tier 2 lol
ReplyDeleteMatchup specific, and not all that good even when it does work. It's not absolutely terrible, but it doesn't come highly recommended.
ReplyDeleteHarder to use and less consistent than the supports above her. She is also a bit more picky on ADCs she works well with.
ReplyDeleteShouldnt top mordekaiser be in teir two with mid mordekaiser?
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ReplyDeleteI think you should have donger in all Gods teir or have his own teir Donger God
ReplyDeleteI'd like to ask, is it worth it to invest in playing Katarina in ranked? I know she's an average tier champ but does she have the potential to carry games, mostly in lower elo like silver?
ReplyDeleteNext tier list you should consider placing a top-lane Diana on the list. I have yet to be destroyed top lane as her, and the longer lane gives her ample room to use her ultimate twice and give a good chase.
ReplyDeleteUpdate Please!
ReplyDeleteIn Progress. .. reading over comments too
ReplyDeleteHi samantha she absolutely does, but you'll want to try and pick her against low cc and low tank teams since against teams with a lot of the above it's difficult for her to get her resets.
ReplyDeleteHi guys i am trying to get to platinum. Right now i am on gold I but I feel I am lacking something. My main is rammus. Please feel free to comment!
ReplyDeleteAh, thanks for the reply. Another question if I may ask. I remember Lux being tier 2 and I might've missed out on how she got to tier 1, is it the same reason for other mids going up the tier list and how counters got nerfed?
ReplyDeleteI see a lot of comments from the admin saying that because champs like Syndra, or champs in certain positions like Heimer in support require more skill to pull off, and therefore aren't on there, or are lower, yet has it explained that Zed is so high because despite nerfs, a very skilled zed can own. ??
ReplyDeleteDarius should not be that high as he is prown to lose hard in 1v2; and if the enemy is smart they will do so.
ReplyDeleteI feel like fizz, fiora, poppy and yi deserve a place higher in the tiers. All they need to do is farm and they scale just too well.
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