Jun 6, 2014

2014 Champion Tier List - Solo Queue - Patch 4.9 Update

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SEASON 4 - PATCH 4.9 SOLO QUEUE TIER LIST
SEASON 4 UPDATE

This List has been updated, and new versions are available via this link

Preface Chatter
Hey everyone and welcome back to a brand spankin' new rendition of the Nerfplz solo queue tier list! I hope that Patch 4.9 analysis got your feet wet for discussion, because we're going to dive right in!

Patch 4.9 Summary
Buffs: Pantheon, Rumble, Soraka
Nerfs: Braum, Kassadin, Rengar
Tweaks: Kha'Zix
Updates:
  • Added Alistar Top, Gragas Top
  • Added Fiora explanation
  • 6/16/14 - Added support Anivia, support Veigar, moved Kayle support up
    • Moved around God Tier ADCs
  • 6/22/14 - Patch 4.10 Analysis now available here
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The Tier List

God Tier [Exceptionally Strong Choices]: 
Mid-Lane Gods: Kayle, Ziggs, Nidalee
Jungle Gods: Amumu, Warwick, WukongJarvan IV, Vi
AD Gods Jinx, Lucian, Miss Fortune, Draven
Top Lane Gods: Jax, Fiora
Support Gods: Morgana, Braum, Zyra, Leona

Tier 1 [Strong/Preferred Choices]:
Mid-Lane: Kassadin, Katarina, Orianna, Zyra, Talon, Malzahar, Swain, Karma, Heimerdinger, Anivia, Yasuo, Lux, Morgana, Lulu (AP), Galio, Zed, Leblanc, Ahri, Brand, Syndra, Pantheon, Diana, Fizz, Wukong
Jungle: Kha'Zix, Fiddlesticks, Xin Zhao, Rammus, Elise, Jax, Evelynn, Volibear, Shaco, Udyr, Lee Sin, Pantheon, Rengar, Aatrox, Sejuani
AD Carry: Twitch, Caitlyn, Graves, Ezreal, Varus, Tristana, Sivir
Top LaneTrundle, Kayle, Renekton, Nasus, Ryze, Wukong, Rengar, Irelia, Tryndamere, Darius, Shyvana, Jarvan IV, Singed, Warwick, Heimerdinger, Yasuo, Pantheon, Malphite, Teemo, Aatrox, Yorick, Kennen, Elise, Lee Sin, Udyr, Volibear, Karma, Nidalee
Support: Thresh, Sona, Karma, Nami, Lulu, Janna, Taric, Blitzcrank

Tier 2 [Viable/Balanced Choices]:
Mid-Lane: Twisted Fate, Kha'Zix, Viktor, Cassiopeia, Akali, Fiora, Annie, Kennen, Mordekaiser, Xerath, Vladimir, Vel'Koz, Teemo, Elise, Lissandra, Sion, Ryze, Soraka, Jayce,
Jungle: Nocturne, Hecarim, Kayle, Master Yi, Skarner, Tryndamere, Nautilus, Olaf, Zac, Dr. Mundo, Maokai, Nasus, Shyvana, Leona, Trundle, Malphite, Gragas, Diana, Zed
AD Carry: Ashe, Corki, Kog'Maw, Vayne, Quinn
Top Lane: Riven, Rumble, Cho'gath, Olaf, Zac, Xin Zhao, Soraka, Viktor, Poppy, Akali, Quinn, Swain, Kha'Zix, Vladimir, Garen, Vi, Dr. Mundo, Jayce, Lissandra, Zed
Support: Annie, Fiddlesticks, Alistar, Gragas, Vel'Koz

Tier 3 [Needs Higher Skill/Knowledge Than Usual]:
Mid-Lane: Gragas, Karthus, Veigar, Riven, Tristana, Cho'Gath, Fiddlesticks
Jungle: Nunu, Cho'Gath, Shen, Malzahar, Yasuo, Fiora, Riven, Poppy, Darius,
AD Carry: Twisted Fate, Kennen, Urgot
Top Lane: Shen, Master Yi, Gragas, Gangplank, Alistar, Mordekaiser, Sion, Vayne, Talon, Nunu, Galio
Support: Teemo, Nunu, Volibear, Lux, Kayle, Soraka, Zilean, Nautilus, Maokai, Nidalee, Anivia, Syndra, Veigar, Gangplank

Tier 4 [Low Effort to Benefit Ratios]:
Mid-Lane: Kog'maw, Zilean, Janna, Ezreal (AP),
Jungle: Gangplank, Blitzcrank, Alistar
AD Carry:
Top Lane: Urgot
Support: Malphite, Orianna, Poppy, Elise, Galio, Shen, Yorick, Lissandra, Ashe, Leblanc, Caitlyn

Instructions and Caveats:
  • Champions in BOLD I will talk about shortly
  • Champions UNDERLINED may be over/undervalued, but aren't/haven't played enough for me to make a better judgement.
  • Within each tier the champions are strongest from left to right, but within a tier each champion's strength is relatively close. This is especially true for Tiers 2 and 3 where these champions are ALL highly playable and player dependent on how strong they are in-game.
  • This tier list takes data from ALL players; however, since the majority of players fall in the first three tiers, the majority of data points will come from there. 
  • The creator of this list is diamond, so there may be some personal bias towards higher tier play on certain champions.

Champion Explanations
  • Alistar [Tier 3 Top] - While Alistar's not exactly an easy pick, he's definitely viable and offers a very tanky, safe top laner that can harass easily with W + auto, which deals a sizable amount of damage with Sheen proc. He also has decent sustain, but his effective radius definitely offers some issues late game when every second matters in a teamfight.
  • Braum [God Tier Support] - Despite nerfs I think he's still very strong. We'll keep an eye on him for now.
  • Darius [Tier 1 Top] - With the current state of balance in top lane, Darius should get more credit than he's due. While he's no powerhouse and also suffers from a bit of radial troubles, he dishes a lot of damage against melee heavy team comps and naturally synergizes from armor items like sunfire and randuin.
  • Gragas [Tier 3 Top] - His W gives him good sustain and his utility is nice to have on a team, but he's by no means a top pick from what I can tell. I could be mistaken.
  • Jarvan IV [God Tier Jungle/Tier 1 Top] - Jarvan's latest buff from a few patches back went largely unnoticed, despite some chatter on how strong he'll be. As one of the older champions in the game, a lot of people still shy away from playing him. However, his potential utility is some of the highest in the game, and his win rate in solo queue is soaring.
  • Katarina [Tier 1 Mid] - The power of a good Katarina cannot be underestimated, and she's been climbing the ranks in popularity and win rate steadily. It's only a matter of time before the Katarina OP QQ starts up again on the forums.
  • Kha'Zix [Tier 2 Mid, Tier 1 Jungle, Tier 2 Top] - Huge changes to Kha'zix this time around, but despite our original beliefs that a huge nerf had been smacked to his buggy forehead, it appears it really was just a tweak after all. His damage peak has definitely shifted, and he's slightly weaker, but ability to take down isolated target is better than ever. Nobody really plays him mid anymore, but I think he could still be viable there.
  • Nocturne [Tier 2 Jungle] - Feral flare nerfs dropped his power significantly; he's fairly balanced now.
  • Olaf [Tier 2 Top] - I've dropped Olaf despite knowing there will be angry Koreans at my doorstep shortly. With the lowest win rate in the game, he just gets kited too easily in teamfights if you miss an axe, and with the movement intensive AD carries that are popular today, chasing them down simply isn't as easy as it used to be. He's still very strong in lane though.
  • Rumble [Tier 2 Top] - The flamethrower buff should help him significantly, but I'm not sure if he's back to Tier 1 worthy yet.
  • Shen [Tier 3 Top] - Shen's been moved down despite being a very safe top laner. He simply doesn't offer as much in solo queue as he does in ranked play, and depends heavily on teammates knowing exactly what they're doing as well as the Shen being completely confident in his abilities. Otherwise, the scenario usually plays out as wasted ultimates and/or failing two lanes simultaneously.
  • Soraka [Tier 2 Mid/Top] - Soraka's another of those champions that you'll all say "she got a buff, why did she move down?" Well the previous patch's nerfs hit her harder than I suspected, and because of this I think she's significantly weaker. In fact she might still be placed too high, but time will tell.
  • Shyvana [Tier 1 Top] - Shyvana's a very strong pick for sure, but I don't think she offers enough utility to impact a game as heavily as other champions; hence her win rate. Despite that, if you're uncomfortable playing top, she's probably one of the easier choices that may still be strong enough to impact even if you get zoned out of your lane.
  • Twitch [Tier 1 ADC] - Twitch's damage potential is the highest in the game, and with pink wards the way they are, he's definitely got an edge up with his invisibility. However, I'm hard pressed to put him into god tier for solo queue simply because of his lack of escapes and his average win rate. He's definitely borderline and easily has the potential to be there, but other AD carries can aggressively flash for kills whereas if Twitch flashes early he'll likely have a rough time soon after.
  • Vel'Koz [Tier 2 Support] - A lot of you have been clamouring for Vel'koz to be moved higher, but I think balanced is already fairly generous all things considered; opinions on this may change in the future. He does do a huge amount of damage with low mana costs, but if he loses lane it seems like his ability for a comeback is very slim.
Disclaimer:
  • The purpose of this list is for discussion and to provide a starting point for hero selection.
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757 comments:

  1. Luís Paulo da SilvaJune 06, 2014

    This one was real fast, really nice job SSJ :)

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  2. Adam GhanemJune 06, 2014

    some background information on the god tier zyra? even though i agree id love to know why :)

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  3. Nice quick update!

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  4. Nocturne is in BOLD Teir 2, but not discussed.


    Thanks for keeping the site current and a great starting place for discussion, SSJ.


    To some of the other posters out there, I like to remind them that this site is not 4CHAN. Please keep posts respectful, and feel free to ask questions.

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  5. SSJSuntasticJune 06, 2014

    Thanks, fixed!

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  6. why is thresh tier 2 support?

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  7. SSJSuntasticJune 06, 2014

    That's Tier 1

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  8. i mean tier 1 sorry :p

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  9. Dagannoth RexJune 06, 2014

    Any opinions on Yorick?

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  10. This is probably my favorite tier list on this site for a while now.


    I would like to suggest that top Aatrox be moved up somewhat, though. He's a huge lane bully that scales well into the mid and late game as either a dedicated splitpusher or as a teamfighting off-tank. Between two forms of cc (one hard), a relatively long range gapcloser/escape, multiple steroids, a guardian angel passive (!) and incredible sustain, he doesn't really have very many abusable weaknesses, and never really falls off. Also, his worst matchup is currently sitting at ~80% ban rate, which definitely helps.

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  11. TonyTheLiger1412June 06, 2014

    SSJ, opinion on Anivia support? Also, you bolded Nocturne, but didn't mention him later.

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  12. I know this is off topic, but can you update the tier list for 3v3?

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  13. SSJSuntasticJune 06, 2014

    Kinda rusty in 3s, but I'll try and get back into it. Kayle, Lulu, and Jarvan IV are probably the strongest in game right now considering their buffs.

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  14. whoa that was a fast reply, Thank you.

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  15. SSJSuntasticJune 06, 2014

    He's very good, slightly unpredictable, and tends to be a bit hit-or-miss at the most crucial moments.

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  16. SSJSuntasticJune 07, 2014

    Foen7 pointed that out as well, fixed! I think Anivia support's fun, but she's definitely powercreeped a lot by newer mages with faster projectile stuns and higher base stats. Her wall also tends to backfire at times when you need it in the perfect position the most.

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  17. BoltOfSpadesJune 07, 2014

    Highlighting Gragas for a moment. As it stands, Gragas is currently better as a tank than the previous mage or bruiser builds. His kit makes him naturally good at peeling, with every move offering some form of crowd control. Iceborn Gauntlet is one of the better items on him at the moment, as it synergizes well with his W. While his lane harass is subpar due to some damage nerfs, his late game utility makes up for it. Regardless, I personally think he's best a jungler right now, but you're all entitled to your own opinions.

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  18. tyler straubJune 07, 2014

    i love these kayle gets banned a lot so now its time to play zed

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  19. I love these tier list kayle op so everyone bans now its time to play zed.

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  20. Sorry for a little spam : Wukong only
    What was your last msg to me ? i can´t see my post cuz it is no more tier list 4.8 but 4.9. Could you just write it again here ? i was asking about fiora against squishies and i would like to know your opinion.

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  21. why is rengar in tier 1? his laning phase is somewhat weak

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  22. DanieLegendJune 07, 2014

    I think he meant why thresh isn't on the God Tier.

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  23. Kyriakos SotiriadisJune 07, 2014

    Hi SSJ. I have been following your lists for a while now, and I think your job is amazing.
    Now, I've got some questions for you, if you can answer them :)


    1. Why Zyra got suddenly so strong in the past couple of patches, without getting directly buffed. Is it the fact that she can counter the OP Support Braum?


    2. I absolutely love Kayle and I've got a couple of things to say about her.
    a. Her Jungle might be a bit weaker, in the lower Tier 2 or top Tier 3. She needs skill and knowledge to play her correctly.
    b. Her Top lane, might be in the God Tier IMO. Renekton is not the most dominant force right now, and you can always ask to ban him (noone will say no to a Rene ban), Soraka with her heals and silences is nerfed too hard to be playable at top and LB is really uncommon. Also I think that she can counter really well both Fiora and Jax who are the current God Tiers.
    c. The only problem I see in Support Kayle is the misscommunication about using your ult. If you state to your ADC that you got ult for pretty much every fight (1 min cd), and you will use it on him/her, I think you got a beastly support. She's got chassing potential (Q), sustain (W), escape (W), harrash (E) and the 2-3 sec immunity to ALL damage. I can certainly see her being in Tier 3 or even Tier 2. I can't believe that Nunu, Syndra, Gangplank and Fiddle sticks are better supports than Kayle.


    That's basically it. Hope this helped see another Kaye from another perspective. I'd appreciate if you could answer, either if you agree or not. :)

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  24. "The only problem I see in Support Kayle is the misscommunication about using your ult."


    That, plus a lack of hard cc and mobility, plus the fact that you're about incapable of trading after your E is on cooldown. I mean, as a jungler, I'm delighted when I see a midlane Kayle. I can't imagine how happy I'd be to see one in a side lane, especially in a lane that's probably gonna have the likes of Thresh or Leona helping me out. I'd also like to point out that playing Kayle in a side lane only exacerbates her inability to harass or cs without pushing the wave, since it's easier to freeze the lane and force you to overextend in top or bot.

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  25. As near as I can gather, it's because normal wards don't really work against him and people in this tier list's target demographic aren't necessarily aware of how to ward against him effectively, or alternatively lack the map awareness to effectively utilize the correct wards. He's a bit like Eve in that regard (who I still think should be ranked higher, btw).

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  26. These tier lists are so useful, keep doing them ^^

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  27. i too enjoy playing aatrox, but i've been struggling a lot with him lately. do you have a top lane build you could share? and also, while he undeniably is very strong late game with high dps, don't you think he is easily kited by the peel heavy and mobility heavy support/adc combos seen in bottom lane?

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  28. Kyriakos SotiriadisJune 07, 2014

    I agree she has no hard CC, but she's got the mobility (W). I don't get why you are happy to see an opposing Kayle as a Jungler. I believe she is one of the safest mid laners. She has Slow, Speed boost and immunity to damage. Try killing her in a sort lane.

    But I have recently found my heaven in the top lane. Most of the times I go out of the laning phase 0/0/something. I don't chase for kills, but I make sure not to die, and make the enemy incappable of farming. Put Kayle against a melee champion and you got exactly that. Everytime the melee tries to cs, you are guaranted 2 autos. Early on it's 1/3 or 1/4 of his life. With proper warding (yes you need to spend money on wards) you are as safe as you can be, shoving the wave.

    And about her E's cooldown is 4 secs every 14 if you have no CDR and It's basically down for milliseconds if you have 40% CDR.

    Thus I can't see your point. :)

    Though I am really interested in you explaining why you love to have an enemy Kayle, when you play jungle.

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  29. KingoftheSocksJune 07, 2014

    SSJ What do you think of the jungle camps no longer scaling and how it may affect certain junglers who need their levels? Champs lile Shyv and Wukong may drop because of increased difficulty of getting to their usrful state (though I feel Wu is still t1 jungle)

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  30. He's got pretty versatile build paths. I personally enjoy Hydra -> Randuin's -> SV for maximum teamfight presence, but basically any LS item into tank items is functional under different circumstances. BotRK makes you a better duelist and helps deal with champs that stack health (Mundo, Voli, Singed, etc.) or the high mobility bot lanes you mention, while Hydra gives you more damage and sustain in teamfights and BT gives you better poke (I don't personally like it, but some people swear by it so eh). I'm not really a fan of building more than one offensive item, except for maybe Maw against super heavy AP teams (or a fed Karthus). As a melee, you're not going to be able to auto attack nearly as reliably as a true ADC - your role in teamfights is zoning the enemy carries out of the fight or peeling away the enemy front line from your own carries, depending on the situation. Not so much DPS.


    With that said, I don't think being kited is really the hugest of issues for him - with flash (which you should be using offensively most of the time), you've got over 1000 units of gaplosing and a 40% slow, plus movespeed steal if you opt for BotRK. Obviously, crap like Lucian-Morgana is incredibly obnoxious for any bruiser, but I don't think Aatrox is unusually kiteable.

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  31. Justin MiousseJune 07, 2014

    Zyra is insane right now. Her ap scaling and damage potential are so high that she can chunk down heroes without eating a shot. Better than heimer because of the cc.

    Kayle is really good as well. I exprct zed to get a little more play especially with the new kha tweaks/nerfs.

    I still believe thresh is god tier.

    Why was xin moved down? Similar reasoning as nocturne i suppose. J4 is really strong atm, can really get lanes snowballed quickly.

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  32. Braum is weak, no need to nerf him he depends on specific situations to be effective while other supports like Leona or Thresh can easily engage, disengage and do whatever without relying on 1 skillshot spell

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  33. To clarify, when I say mobility, I mean dashes, blinks, or *very* powerful movespeed buffs. The 60 MS you're getting from Divine Blessing in lane, while definitely nice, can't really be considered adequate preventive measures against crap like Elise that can gapclose from over 1500 units, hit you with a pointblank cocoon and drop 3 nukes plus redbuff while you're stunned, to say nothing of what the enemy's laner can contribute. Unless the enemy jungler is playing grossly incompetently, Kayle basically relies on summoners to escape 1v2 situations. Also, unlike similarly immobile champs like pre-6 Nidalee, Kayle doesn't have the luxury of hanging back and csing near her tower because her E pushes the wave.


    The ultimate is nice, but again, cc is a thing. Sure, you don't take damage from the Dragon's Rage, but now you're 1200 units towards Lee's team. How does a champ like Kayle get out of that?


    And yeah, being unable to trade for 4 seconds is pretty bad.

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  34. Kyriakos SotiriadisJune 07, 2014

    Yeah I can see your point. I usually dont have this problem because (although nobody in Bronze to low Gold does) I always have 3 wards on the map even on my first back. So if I see the enemy jungler coming, I decide to do something else (great time to back and buy).

    And yes Lee's kick is a pain in the ass as well as a 2-3 sec stun by Elise. It's just I don't usually encounter Elises in my elo or GREAT Lees. But if a Lee kicks you in the enemy team, the only thing to do is man up (Kayle's a women so that's funny... laugh...) Use your ult to absorb as much damage as you can while you try to take out a carry before dying.

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  35. Kyriakos SotiriadisJune 07, 2014

    Yeah I can see your point. I usually dont have this problem because (although nobody in Bronze to low Gold does) I always have 3 wards on the map even on my first back. So if I see the enemy jungler coming, I decide to do something else (great time to back and buy).

    And yes Lee's kick is a pain in the ass as well as a 2-3 sec stun by Elise. It's just I don't usually encounter Elises in my elo or GREAT Lees. But if a Lee kicks you in the enemy team, the only thing to do is man up (Kayle's a women so that's funny... laugh...) Use your ult to absorb as much damage as you can while you try to take out a carry before dying.

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  36. Apparently, you haven't seen a Vel'Koz single-handedly break a siege with simply an Ulti. I can accept that he might take more skill to play, but he has the tools at his disposal to turn a teamfight or siege.


    Even from behind, he deals true damage.

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  37. SSJSuntasticJune 07, 2014

    This comment got caught in the filter for some reason, sorry for the trouble~

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  38. Why is Miss Fortune not played? She's so strong atm and hard to counter her damage because she does both AD and AP damage and her ult with black cleaver is a free 25% armor reduction for her team.

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  39. To me Zyra belong to this category of Mid champion falling and getting out better as support and Zyra is in the Top 3.
    Morgana>Zyra>Karma are in my opinion annoying support to play against (mostly the 2last) Morgana is just a harsh counter of Thresh/Leona/Braum.(Due to CCShield)

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  40. You seem to underestimate him into the Support Role where he sustain hard and deal decently...

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  41. Squishy, immobile, and her ult forces her to stand still, which is generally a pretty awful plan for an ADC. Also, hybrid damage is a mixed blessing since it means you can't make as much use of LW or the aforementioned BC as an all-physical ADC.

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  42. Every adc is squishy... and her winrate is really high. I know she isn't really mobile but her passive is really good as long as you don't take damage

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  43. I mean, every adc is really good as long as they don't take damage. The main point is that, unlike most competitive ADCs, MF doesn't have any way to avoid taking damage. She doesn't have a dash like Lucian, Caitlyn or Graves, Hard CC like Jinx, invisibility like Twitch or stupidly long range like Kog'Maw. Sure, all of those champs are just as squishy as MF, but they're a lot better at mitigating that weakness than she is.

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  44. vrf är inte garen högra tier än renek och darius han är ju klart bättre än dom

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  45. Kyriakos SotiriadisJune 07, 2014

    No problem. And I was curious about why I couldn't post it... :P

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  46. I think viktor atm is definately tier-1 worthy :). Massive damaging. Q. Great early game harass. W. Best Counter-initiation in the game. E. Very high-damaging spell. R. Massive AoE damage with a nice silence.


    His only problem is his passive which is a double edged sword IMHO. It forces you to lose out on an item but gives you a great power-spike against mid-laners trying to get their first item. I also think Anivia should be a bit higher as well.

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  47. TonyTheLiger1412June 07, 2014

    It's really easy to slow people down and corner them in the lane.

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  48. I like him! my opinion! will be very strong with next few patches :).

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  49. Blubbernugget510June 07, 2014

    The pony is tier 2 D: I is sad.

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  50. Whats the reason with thresh not being?
    Is it just his yoloq potential or his overall strength?

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  51. Lulu support to god tier. Really think the amount of peel, harass with q's, and utility she provides is unbeatable. Especially with the active from mikael's, her shield, and her ult, keeping carries alive for fights is a breeze.

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  52. BoltOfSpadesJune 07, 2014

    I'm not underestimating him, I just think he's better in the jungle where he can gank with his ult constantly due to his low cooldowns.

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  53. ValvravesJune 07, 2014

    top lane lissandra should be added

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  54. Low Tier 2

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  55. RPGfan2000June 07, 2014

    Can you move Anivia up to slightly outside of God Tier? She has amazing utility, Powerful AoE and single target abilities, devastating damage, ridiculous kiting potential, her wall can split up enemy team, has two lives and is fantastic at seizing and protecting objectives. Only down side is weak early laning, but that can be mitigated by playing safe. As for mana, it is easier managed than most think.

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  56. rabidtangerineJune 07, 2014

    Alistar top hard counters Jax, something to note.

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  57. KingoftheSocksJune 07, 2014

    But unfortunately she has no inititiation by herself. With an Amumu, Malphite or J4 who can jump into the enemy then she can ult them, knock them up and with Yasuo get an easy ult opportunity. But by herself she can't initiate. Not to mention a poorly timed ult could harm your team more than help and she has no early game stun or snare in whick she can lock down the ADC like other supports can. And look at the God Tier Supports, Braum, Morgana, Leona and Zyra. All of which can lock down enemies with multiple stuns or other hard and often AOE CC , not necessarily having shields, high poke damage or heavy peel like Lulu. She's a great support and I main her myself if there is an initiator on the team but right now its better for high initiation power rather than pure damage or peel (eg Leona)

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  58. KingoftheSocksJune 07, 2014

    The problem is she's actually a fairly high skill cap champion. Unfortunately we are not all Froggen and we make mistakes with her which with her kit the consequences are large. A poor wall could do nothing or even kill off teamates as they become isolated and can save enemies. She's super squishy with the lowest base hp in the game and she has a really slow stun. Again she is Tier one for a reason, mastering her is worthwile and gives your team clutch walls, 2-3 man stuns and practically limitless waveclear. But with her mistakes are so very costly

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  59. DogetheDogeJune 07, 2014

    I personally think that morg is 150x better than braum and shen is just awful.



    And what elo are you in pal?

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  60. Olaf should be Tier 1 still, he is a heavy bully in lane and can out duel many top laners in the current meta. I understand that he is barely useful in team fights even if he is fed. However, he is a very effective split pusher and it takes at least 2 people to kill him. Even if they have a Jax, once Olaf has his ult he can kill him. If he has a strong initiator on his team, then he can stick to the ADC as a second man easily.

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  61. Potato KingJune 07, 2014

    Are you retarted? Shen is trash. No way Braum is better than Morgana, she is able to block her ADC from all cc. Braum just hits sucks.
    You really need to think before you post...

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  62. Hitkid AbsolutionJune 07, 2014

    Shen is no where close to being as good as Olaf.

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  63. Can you explain why Malphite is Tier 1 top? I mean, yes he is an amazing top, I just don't udnerstand why.

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  64. DogetheDogeJune 07, 2014

    I agree :D

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  65. He is really strong top lane and basically shouldn't die in the laning phase, his ultis win games and can actually bully well if he stacks armor his e allows him to bully and armor allows him sustain.

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  67. Sc VirdianJune 07, 2014

    I don't think Ezreal AP should be in tier 4.... Yeah his early sucks like hell but his late game is really Overpowered

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  68. wukong onlyJune 07, 2014

    oh i was just writing how fiora is a really good duelist once she gets a life steal item because of her aa speed boost and ult proccing life steal.

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  69. Potato KingJune 07, 2014

    Sorry didn't mean to offend your family

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  70. your point is making it valid for gragas support too...jungle i consider him viable just not good for his low speed clear thats all and many would diamond player would say the same actually...

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  71. FrostwireJune 07, 2014

    I don't think Nocturne should be in Tier 2 Junglers he has massive dueling potential, a power spike once building a BotrK and can easily counter-jungle most junglers. Whereas he was amazing with the old Feral Flare, he can be built Elder Lizard for the early game,and his kit can almost garentee a flash or maybe a kill when ganking top at 3. He is so.underestimated as a jungler due to other picks such as Evylynn, Lee Sin and Jarvan. He gets ahead and he can end a gam easily for his team.

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  72. Bruce LakeJune 07, 2014

    I would just like to say that in my humble opinion, I believe that Diana should be a Tier 1 Jungler. I say this because despite the fact she may have that Warwick syndrome where her ganks are mediocre to poor pre-6, her power spike when she hits six is retardedly huge. In addition to her gap closer which she could use TWICE consecutively if you wanted to, every 3rd auto-attack, she literally cleaves 80 fucking percent of her AP in front of her with the addition of the passive's base damage. That's the same ratio as her Q which looks deceivingly weak but really it's a knee to the face mid-late game. She jungles healthily and decently from the start, even without a leash (obviously with the proper runes and mastery, though) thanks to her double proc'ing shield which also deal AOE damage. That's 3 AOE damaging skills right there, her passive, Q, and W with an addition of her long-ass gap closer and AOE knock-up sucking slow. She has relatively low mana cost so jungling for her is a breeze, especially after she gets a spirit stone. She practically doesn't need blue after that. And did you know her ultimate sends her behind targets when she's within close (Not sure how long it is) range with them which could potentially juke/dodge crucial skill shots from her enemies turning the tide of the fight or just gain a bigger and fatter advantage against her opponent. Not to mention her typical/core build makes her beefy as fuck (Zhonya's+Abyssal). She's not just "viable" and way beyond balanced if anything. You could even go wriggles lantern if you wanted to for even more additional 80% AP to-the-face and magic damage per auto-attack. With Lee-Sin tier mobility, ability to take in a decent amount of damage, and hit like a truck every 3rd auto-attack, she could even be God-Tier.

    Anyways, thanks for reading, this is just from my personal experience, and it bothers me how you placed her as balanced in the jungle. Would love a constructive response to read that counters my argument.

    #balancedChampionDiana

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  73. Tristana AP should be ultra god tier imo.

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  74. apap12345June 08, 2014

    So im an ADC main, and i think kog and corki should be at least tier 1. Or at the very least as high as ezreal and varus. The fact that kayle, lulu, and nami have become so popular makes peeling for kogmaw really easy, and he outdamages pretty much any AD late game except maybe twitch. He may not be as viable is soloqueue as in the LCS but hes definitely better than tier 2. Corki simply does ezreal's job better right now. He has better poke, better burst, etc. Corki deserves a tier 1 spot or ez should be moved down. The only reason to pick ez right now is if your team has no peel against a dive heavy comp(this coming from a former ez main), while corki is strong in all comps- kind of like a slightly weaker lucian.

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  75. JellyNinjaJune 08, 2014

    Could you do a 1v1 tier list, please?

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  76. well, ty for yout tips :)

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  77. I still think lux should be god tier. She is way too safe, so a decent player will barely even die once in laning phase. Her poke is really good, and he utility is only matched by few. Late game if you build her glass-canon (which you should to take advantage of her tremendous range) you should be able to do a leblanc-tier burst plus provide peel and shield for your team.

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  78. Nicolas CageJune 08, 2014

    There isn't a 1v1 gamemode, so I wouldn't really think it necessary.


    ADCs (Caitlyn being the strongest) > Bruisers (ones with gap-closers and early CC in particular) > APCs with strong pre-6 capabilities > Everything else.

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  79. right now i really love the strength of braum and lucian in the bot lane. together with braums stun and lucians passive on basic attacks after a spell it equals death. been massacring with my duo support partner

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  80. Nicolas CageJune 08, 2014

    Despite his late-game potential (which isn't really important in the current solo-queue meta, all things considered) Kog'Maw isn't really a good pick for solo queue in my opinion. His laning is rather weak, and he has no means of protecting himself late-game. Those two factors really keep him from being strong in solo queue. With a coordinated team, though, I think there's potential for him to be very strong. I think he's a Tier 2 ADC.


    Ezreal has an easier time keeping away from enemies with his escape than Corki does, IMO. Ezreal's ability to pick up otherwise unobtainable kills (with his ult) is also pretty useful, and allows him more opportunity to get ahead than many other ADCs. That being said, I would mostly agree with your comment. Corki's stronger early-game strength and better trading potential makes him far more powerful in lane, though perhaps not as consistent (Ezreal will pretty much always farm safely, whereas Corki's ability to do so is fairly limited and he relies on bullying the enemy team through aggression to gain an advantage). He's better in teamfights generally too, since he scales a bit better into the late-game. I would say both are Tier 1, Corki towards the middle and Ezreal towards the bottom.

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  81. Lux's entire combo has just over half the AP ratio and 500 less base damage than LeBlanc's, all while being significantly less mobile than the latter. The two are nowhere near comparable.

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  82. Nicolas CageJune 08, 2014

    It's alright. Her ganks are pretty darn good, but her clearing leaves a lot to be desired. She also relies on the blue a little bit much. Tier 3.

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  83. I'm not really seeing it. Could you explain?

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  84. i main adc as well. and ezreal soars in his ability to burst and be able to fight in pretty much any situation and enter or escape. his late game could be more powerful but at levels 4,6, and just mid game he has high potential to shut down a lane. kog just is too easy to dodge and can his escape is too weak. corki is good but his build is what's having problems. he is just to variable in my opinion. lucian and ezreal are my favorites. lucian is pretty much all you need if you can get him. his e and it's cleanse pretty much offers you a way out of so much that otheres just can't break free of without assistance. his strength to either poke or burst is too strong. and the w that will also add to his speed makes him hard to escape or catch in a good peel. also both ez and lucian passive make it easy to blast turrets with basics, which is a massive part of being the adc especially in a siege where no melee champions can get close

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  85. It is still able to one shot the carry, which is the important part of the ap carry, while being way safer and providing utility to the team, instead of being completely useless other than single target assassinations. BTW, her ult can do up to 1100 raw damage, while her q can do over 800 and e over 700, and it is almost all aoe, making it more damage overall in the same amount of time.

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  86. also alot of the meta and listing for adc's is about how they can destroy a tower and as always keep constant damage from the back line.

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  87. Nicolas CageJune 08, 2014

    I accidentally played jungle Diana with 0/9/21 masteries once, and it worked out surprisingly well.


    I disagree with her not needing blue; I think it's a pretty essential buff to have control of for her as it allows for much quicker/healthier clearing than otherwise. She isn't that blue dependant relative to some other AP junglers, but she's still more reliant on it than popular carry-style junglers, who're statistically favored and able to give their mid-lanes constant blue buffs.


    If she gets behind, she has an extremely difficult time catching up because her entire contribution to her team is damage. Generally, strong solo queue champions have a stronger contribution to their team, even when behind.


    She lacks any sort of innate tenacity/survivability (her shield isn't really too effective) and tends to get blown up when she engages. She doesn't have any real escapes aside from being able to ult to minions/jungle creeps, which is pretty situational.


    I think she's towards the top of Tier 3 for the jungle list. That being said, I think she's a ton of fun to play as well when you can manage to get ahead as her.

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  88. braum's stun that procs on basic attacks in a lane with the adc is way too strong. also his ability to stop attacks and shield you is just too good. he is a support made to be a true support. like if you get lucian with him. gg bot if you're good. like for real.

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  89. zed is shut down by exhuast. hopefully the enemy doesn't know that. or goodbye kills with marked for death

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  90. The difficulty is, the delayed nature of Lux's burst makes her extremely reliant on landing her (skillshot) snare to actually land all of her damage, which generally won't happen if the enemy carries are familiar with Lux's kit and the range/projectile speed on her Q. You're basically relying on initiation from your team to follow up on, or positioning errors from the enemies' carries, which is a vulnerability that ought to be taken into account.


    I'd also like to point out that LeBlanc can max W for waveclaer and teamfighting - she's hardly limited to assassination as you imply. Her W-R combo is virtually instantaneous 690 base damage plus ~160% AP in a 500 unit diamater circle that's extremely difficult to respond to before she blinks away.


    I mean, for the record, I love playing Lux and she's one of my favorite champions. Still, implying that her burst damage is anywhere near LeBlanc's is just disingenuous.

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  91. BoltOfSpadesJune 08, 2014

    Ezreal is one of the few champions in the game that offers no cc whatsoever, which isn't all that favorable in the current meta. He's also too item dependant, his Q is useless without Lich Bane, if he falls behind, he REALLY falls behind.

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  92. BoltOfSpadesJune 08, 2014

    The issue is that reworking Viktor to incorporate the trinket system is that his Hex Core can be built along 3 different ways, which complicates the system.

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  93. Justin MiousseJune 08, 2014

    Reason why kassadin was dropped out of god tier? Id expect him to be higher with the kha zix early game nerfs.

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  94. ok thanks for the advice :)

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  95. Blue BallsJune 08, 2014

    he has no clear besides his ult, unless you buy cdr which seems like kind of a waste

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  96. Why is riven so low? . Riven should definitely be tier 1.

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  97. Tomorrow HeroJune 08, 2014

    Where is my Jayce AD carry?

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  98. Give an actual reason please.

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  99. YESS, SOMEONE AGREES THAT KHA'ZIX MID IS VIABLE, THANK YOU <3

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  100. AsianTaquitosJune 08, 2014

    He's a straight counter to some of the most popular top laners. With Jax and Fiora rising to the most common top laners, Malphite's attack speed slows, and ability to negate all poke with his passive, he's easily tier 1.

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  101. AsianTaquitosJune 08, 2014

    Can anyone please explain why shyvana jungle in tier 2? Her ganking potential is really strong with red buff, and her ultimate is easy to obtain, and very strong in team fights. She should at least be high tier 2 or lower tier 1

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  102. RaphiMaker .June 08, 2014

    I think that support alistar should be moved higher. :D

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  103. morgana's shield counters a lot of braums initiation, her ult is far more reliable

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  104. really strong? then elise & jarvan iv are godlike without red?

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  105. Can be a possibility too and what trinket change will do is that it will create like you say 3 hexcore option for each trinket so 9different hexcore aint so hard...
    Think about what you said on lvl6 kha'zix since hexcore initialy was giving him ap/lvl

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  106. Blubbernugget510June 08, 2014

    Lee sin support ftw

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  107. Suggestions: Anivia support works very well with ice wall cutting off adc supports and especially usefull when fighting in jungle complete team seperation and high cc slows. Twisted Fate adc: i believe is way better than tier 3 with the fact he can beat nearly all adcs late game with instant stuns. I carried and turned around many games with adc tf its really underrated right now.

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  108. John BeckwithJune 08, 2014

    thanks for moving Vel to tier 2 support. Its where he belongs

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  109. Any idea why Karthus win rate is so high right now ?

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  110. DogetheDogeJune 08, 2014

    Shen is only good for splitting and doesnt offer much really. A shield that has a cast that can be interrupted. Even if he gets it they an just back off. He loses most top lane matches and can't trade well.


    And morg is basically just an anti support and can block all cc and a ridiculous snare.

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  111. Hitkid AbsolutionJune 08, 2014

    Reason: Olaf has a better lane phase than Shen and he does a ton more damage.

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  112. Potato KingJune 08, 2014

    Shen isnt very good because he does little damage and other champs that can be just as tanky do more damage. And i did tell you why Morgana is better than Braum

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  113. Re:TF I feel like the enemy team is doing something horribly wrong if you're allowed to walk within 525 units of the enemy's ADC and survive, especially since you won't be building Zhonya's.


    I mean, I don't think he's a bad ADC per se. I'm just not really sure if the sustained damage he gets from building AD is worth the loss of burst, waveclear and easy access to defensive itemization he gets from building as a mage.

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  114. After that FF nerf, should I still get it for Warwick still or should I get Ancient golems now?

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  115. Sweetie BrellaJune 08, 2014

    Her Harassment combo - Q/E + Plant does damage and gets you a lot of gold when you use Ice Dagger line with it, as plant attacks on champions proc the tribute passive. Also her skillshots have decent range and aren't blocked by creeps. E-W-Q-R does a lot of damage and locks down enemies for seconds at a time. Her only real issue is sustain supports, but you don't see those too often.

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  116. swollenblueballsJune 08, 2014

    how is this at all useful? like half the champions are in tier 1... lol maybe we need more tiers than just 4. I understand that skill plays a large part, but some of the tier 1 choices are definitely stronger than the rest like ori and nid cause you see them more in LCS

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  117. I value your tier lists, but a major criticism of mine I feel that you pay *far* too much attention to win rates when organizing them when win rates are not always clear indications of a champion's power level. For example: no one can deny that Katarina has a lot of power and that her win rate is consistently +50%, but you're disregarding the fact that most people will often not pick Katarina against a hard CC-heavy team, against which her win rate drops dramatically. She thrives in situations where she can dish out her damage uninterrupted (i.e. against a low hard CC team) and thus her win rate should be higher. Just my 2 cents.

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  118. BoltOfSpadesJune 08, 2014

    Or, throw a good Morgana Black Shield and no amount of stuns will stop her ult. Champions have high win rates for a reason.

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  119. Champions in given tiers are listed left to right in order of power.

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  120. I think it's safe to say that if a champion consistently has a very high win rate and can be picked in an overarching amount of contexts (*cough* Kayle), then that is a relevant piece of data; but Katarina's isn't ridiculously high (oscillates between 51% & 53%) and she is most often picked up towards the end of champion select to bypass any hard counters or CC-heavy teams.

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  121. Samuel LachanceJune 08, 2014

    maokai is realy viable at support some pro have proof that so why put him in the last tier at support?

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  122. People are JUST starting to realize his hidden power! :o

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  123. Well, as there are scaling AP tiers it could go up by 60,80, and then 120 AP but I do sense that would be a little too strong.

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  124. Any thoughts on Lissandra mid? I've been seeing her quite often now ,and I believe she is actually really strong in the utility mid-lane meta

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  125. her shield nerf a while back hurt her a lot. I have been happy ever since then cuz Riven is my most hated champ in the game (yes this includes Teemo).

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  126. Kha was primarily mid when he was first released lol.

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  127. Not enough self damage.

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  128. Still get it for WW, its pretty hard to gank pre-6 so what else are you going to do than farm?

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  129. i know, riven is my most played champ. but even with the shield nerf, she is still very strong in top lane. i can win most matchup (except darius and garen)

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  130. A lot more people are playing him due to the VU being so cool, also LeBlanc is permabanned and Kassadin is getting hit with the nerf stick. Once people realize Galio though his win rate will squander IMO.

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  131. I feel like the power of other roaming, pick based mid laners like TF, LeBlanc and Kass leave her kinda overshadowed. She's definitely got the kit to be in the meta - I think that she's just not very powerful in her current state of balance.


    Her new skin is pretty amazing, though. So that's a thing.

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  132. Jessica MichelleJune 08, 2014

    why did thresh drop to tier 1 support? Like its a small drop but he is still one of the best supports in game. I play him and morgana when i hav to supp.

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  133. yea her q change was actually a hidden buff, its just that her shield is her only defense making her much easier to kill

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  134. Morgana is too popular right now

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  135. That's where it was last patch.

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  136. Lissandra is a bit underrated, Kass has been repeatedly nerfed lately and LeBlanc's ban rate is really high so she should rise up a bit

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  137. I'm not really seeing the relevance tbh.

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  138. Kha zix was jungle when he was first released. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKLK9zFiVII

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  139. No its not much an enemy team can do actually against ad tf late game cause if you are running with a standard team your burst damage on adc twistedfate is actually very high if you build correctly. Late game there is usually no one i cant burst down with eas so if im being focus all i gotta do is pull out a stun card and kite them. I main adc so i'm rarely ever positioned in anyway anyone can attack me without going through my other 4 teameates and out of most adcs i find twisted fate to be one of the most effective to be honest. Side Note. I believe Lucian being god tier is a bit overrated the fact he has zero cc and his ult and q which is his main damage can be easily voided. Just a thought.

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  140. Beg pardon? TFs burst is incredibly mediocre. A single 100% AD ratio is hardly anything to write home about when you're competing with the likes of Piltover Peacemaker (130%, with more than double the range), Piercing Light -> Lightslinger (50% AD+120% Bonus AD), Buckshot (130% Bonus AD, plus nearly triple the base damage), or Contaminate (150% Bonus AD, plus over twice as much base damage). To make matters worse, Pick a Card deals magic damage, which means you can't itemize penetration for it, while all of the aforementioned ADCs can build and benefit from Last Whisper.


    Also, I'm not really certain how you intend to simultaneously be within AA distance of the enemy's backline and out of range of the enemy's frontline. Judging from your description of your own positioning skills, that would seem to imply that you're playing against ADCs much, much worse than yourself, in which case your success can't really be called representative of your champion.

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  141. Viable =/= Strong


    Some pro pulled off Twitch Jungle, and its a play style in Korea. That doesn't make it God Tier, now does it?

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  142. ^^ YEAHH !

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  143. Uh your explanation is letting me confused o.O How Galio is related to Karthus dropping win rate ? since Galio isn't that picked : / but i agree with Kass and Le

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  144. ScarfedGaryBuseyJune 08, 2014

    I suggest that elise top me moved up to god tier for a few reasons. (btw this is ranked stats not norm stats)


    Elise in the meta right now is coming back around after the 4.4 patch nerfs which tanked her jungle win rate, however it has not detoured her in the top lane that much so. Taking a new path for her in which she stacks a lot of cdr on her still has not brought her win rate up that much, but while looking at some of the "mandatory" items she needs top for the most part she has an absolute gigantic win rate, let the take a few stats from lolking.net to emphasize my point. Randuins: 54.9%. Sorc boots:55.68%. Haunting Guise:51.67%. Liandrys:56.45% win rates on these items. From this it shows that the items that she mains in top lane provides her with very high win rates. Now lets look more subjectively for why she should be a god.


    Elise is a nightmare of a laner to face, not only from high base damages, but from great burst, poke, outplayability, gank setting up, zoning, and snowballing. The most popular and strongest top laners get destroyed by elise due to the fact that they cant outtrade her at range or if they gap close onto her she can either cocoon them and kite from there, or all in them right onto them as spider form has great 1v1 ing potential early game. Also while she isnt as strong as late as she is early, tank ap champs are always problematic to deal with late game for the most part.


    She also has tons of build paths that can either go from, a cdr tank similar to the jungle build but with visage and atheens to get to the 40% cdr better. Ap builds with dfg to 100-0 most champs in the game if the get caught out. Magic pen builds considering she not only scales with magic pen VERY nicely but the other stats the items give.


    It only helps that with the fact that if she does snowball her lane, (which isnt that hard to do) due to the fact she was designed to jungle she roams fantastically as landing a cocoon can instaburst the enemy mid and take objectives/champions with the free time.


    Also she doesnt have that many downsides, as her escaping ganks is hard isnt much of an issue due to her lack of strong waveclear early on, so you can reliably freeze it (great zoning remember) and deny ganks on her for the most part. As well as the more popular champs in the top lane not only lose to elise, they get VERY hard countered by her, and it only helps that the champs that can reliably "handle her" for the most part either are not the good in solo que i.e. shen or are not that viable in the top lane as is. And after the 4.4 nerfs to her, she was targeted in the jungle not so much laning wise so the stun scaling and spiderling health increases help her keep some strong relevancy late game too.


    TL;DR Elise is arachnophobia inducing top laner that needs to be looked at again as she fits the top lane meta nicely and is a strong counterpick to a lot of champs that excel in top. As well as being a "safe" pick too.


    Give her a shot in top lane and after a match or two come back and give me some feedback, love to hear it!

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  145. BoltOfSpadesJune 08, 2014

    Leblanc is mainly a counterpick, and has a 45% win rate since most low elo players have difficulty utilizing her. But she's still Tier 1 due to her insane roam and snowball potential. Now incorporate that into Katarina, who's wr has been consistently above average, and you have a champion quite worthy of Tier 1. Can't be picked up and played, yes, but very rewarding when used correctly.

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  146. BoltOfSpadesJune 08, 2014

    Remember this, trinkets themselves can be upgraded too. If his Hex Core was to be moved to the trinket slot, things would get complicated. You'd be able to not only upgrade your Core, but also the trinket itself. Now, implying you could purchase them in any order, Riot would have to make over a dozen unique items just for him. And if you have to augment it first, it would be inconvenient against a stealth champ such as Akali or Teemo. On the other hand, upgrading the trinket first would force an early investment in upgrading said trinket, which is unnecessary playing against non-stealth champs.

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  147. Can anyone explain the significant move up of Irelia? i know that Irelia is frequently played in the LCS and high ELO games now. What's so "new" about Irelia that made her move up an entire tier, inching towards God tier?


    I'm itching to play her especially with that Frost skin....

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  148. your forgetting a big fact that these champs have dont have 1 thing which makes the reason why twisted fate can easily over whelm every single one of them which is an instant stun.

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  149. SSJSuntasticJune 08, 2014

    I'd consider that more of a kill lane type composition. Might see more of that one the new items come out though!

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  150. Where is Syndra? Syndra should be God Tier or at the very least Tier 1

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  151. Dagannoth RexJune 09, 2014

    Bottom of Tier 1.

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  152. citizenofbangkokJune 09, 2014

    i dont see rengar on any of the top lane tiers. i honestly believe he is a top lane tier god.

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  153. tineothy haugenJune 09, 2014

    WHERES THE AP MID VARUS!?!??!!? HES OP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  154. such a bad list

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  155. I think that even if you keep him in tier 1, Zed definitely has to be moved up. Not only does he have a very good potential escape with his shadow he can also use his shadow to do some serious damage with his Q, and if you use his E with the shadow the slow is so effective for chasing people

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  156. Morgana can't block any CC if the enemy support just leads with burst. (Annie, Zyra, Sona, Nami, even Gragas) After Braum Q's he can just AA to get the passive up.

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  157. I think that even if you keep him in tier 1, Zed definitely has to be moved up. Not only does he have a very good potential escape with his W he can also use his shadow to do some serious damage with his Q, and if you use his E with the shadow the slow is so effective for chasing people

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  158. Olaf's win rate is terrible right now because he falls off late game bringing only a slow and true damage to team fight. Shen brings a taunt, which in team fight will usually only hit around 2 people, and the ability to save carryies from a distance.

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  159. Not related. You're just being mean.

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  160. Not even going to respond any further then this. First off you gave no reason for Braum to not be better. Second off I understand Shen is not the best top laner, in fact I believe he isn't even close to tier 1, but I certainly think he shouldn't be with
    Master Yi, Gragas, Gangplank, Alistar, Mordekaiser, Sion, Vayne, Talon, Nunu, Galio. Shen isn't awesome but, he is at least on par with Vladimir (give or take 1-3 positions)

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  161. Leblanc doesn't have aoe. Don't lie to yourself to make your argument look good. Lux can land her combo on at least two people. Leblanc's job is to 1 shot a carry and run. Lux brings SO much more late game, thus the win rate differences, also, the range on lux's ult makes for an awesome snipe utility. She just out ranks Leblanc in everywhere but, laning phase and mobility. Now, do I think Lux should be god tier? No. Should a champion who is obviously worse then Lux be used in an argument to prove that? No. This isn't about Leblanc over Lux. That's been established, Lux is better. This should be about Lux, and how she lacks reliable escape and has long CD, skill shots, thus why she shouldn't be god. Sorry for the text wall. XD

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  162. DogetheDogeJune 09, 2014

    Lol k dude shen is only 2 higher than olafs

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  163. DogetheDogeJune 09, 2014

    his comment wasn't related.

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  164. While I agree with most of what you said, the only problem I can find with Morgana, Leona, and Zyra is the lack of a viable escape.

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  165. I'm not really sure how to argue with that, because it's so obviously incorrect. Check the wiki - distortion is a 250 radius nuke. It's also more powerful than Lucent Singularity even without bringing mimic into it - with mimic, not only does LeBlanc deal nearly 3 times as much damage as lux, she does it from further away. In fact - and this is the really funny part - if both champs have the standard holy trinity of AP mids, LeBlanc's W-R actually does ~25 more damage than Lucent Singularity *and* Final Spark, with less than half the cooldown.


    I'd also like to point out Rafael was the one who brought the (absurd) comparison of Lux's and LeBlanc's burst to demonstrate the former's viability.

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  166. It's more skill with Leblanc also in each tiers they aren't too far apart in power if you read descriptions and Malz is really strong and has a solid winrate and swain is so underrated but imo one of the strongest mid laners late game if played correctly.

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  167. The places in each tier isn't too different also zed takes a decent amount of skill to carry in solo queue his place right now is ok.

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  168. Morg counters thresh

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  169. Lissandra is definately strong it's just that many laners out shine her.

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  170. It depends on how the game goes if you are ganking because your laners are losing hard get ancient golem, get feral only if your dedicated to farming. Also maybe get ancient golem if you need a tank for your team then build Botrk for damage. For feral if you buy a wriggles and check the stacks (or count them) you can tell if you need one or not, if you don't have feral around 12-16 mins just get ancient golem and if you get feral after 18 mins just sell it it's probably not worth it. It really depends on your preference of being a ganker/more tanky or carry/semi tank late-game. Last note you might want to get spiritstone and madreds (Madstone from trick2g) for sustain and choose which one you want depending on how the games going.

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  171. He was put out as jungle in champ spotlight but played as mid cuz of his op w before nerfs. Lulu was also a jungle in champ spotlight.

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  172. New Items in 4.10 are gonna change bot lane and maybe some top lane

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  173. He pays attention to win rates because most of the time it's true that the high winrate champions are good for the meta. A low winrate champion means either it's skilled based or lot's of people play and fail with them. Usually a consistantly high winrate champion is high because they are good and play well in solo queue. Some champions move drastically depending on the meta or if they got stronger/champions got nerfed that counter them.

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  174. I think he means a tier list of dueling 1v1 champions eg. jax, tryn, vayne are strong 1v1 duelists.

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  175. It's an obnoxious lane for sure, but I wouldn't call it a counter. Morgana counters champs like Leona or Blitzcrank because engaging is all they can really do - Thresh still brings repositioning with the lantern and zone control with the box even if you're holding on to your black shield for him. Also, it's worth mentioning that Morg's shield has a longer cooldown than Death Sentence, meaning that if you use it to block one hook, there'll be a 3 second+ window for Thresh to engage without retaliation.


    Like, I'd probably pick Morgana into Thresh before any other support, but it's a bit like leaving Kassadin open so you can pick an AD Assassin into him - sure, it's a good matchup, but the end of the day, the enemy still has a frickin' Kassadin. Same idea here.

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  176. I always found Elise's harass to be relatively cost-inefficient. Every time I've tried Elise top, I've gone oom well before forcing the other guy out of lane. The lack of waveclear is also super obnoxious - a lot of the time, I find myself shoved in and unable to use my harass without losing a bunch of cs.

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  177. please, control f, not that hard, dont be dense :)

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  178. "added Fiora explanation" yet it is nowhere to be found..

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  179. http://www.nerfplz.com/2014/06/why-is-fiora-good-god-tier-good.html

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  180. riven needs to be higher them donger donger

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  181. Leblanc is low win rate for a reason. High skill cap. She is obviously worse.

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  182. Yes, but, one requires skill the other one is a face roll champion.

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  183. keshin visahanJune 09, 2014

    Brrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand I WILL MAKE U NUMBER 1

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  184. keshin visahanJune 09, 2014

    Also....I love u for doing this

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  185. Thank you for putting together this list, but can you tell me if diana toplane is viable? i played a ranked game (low elo) and saw a diana top carry, i know this might just be an uncommon coincidence but can you look at and see if it really is possible for diana to go top?

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  186. I don't care at all. My (original) point is that Lux's burst is nowhere near LeBlanc's, which is a factual observation of the game's coding. I only mention LeBlanc's other virtues because you and Rafael were misrepresenting her capacity for AoE damage for some reason I'm not quite clear on, and I thought it'd be a disservice to people reading these comments if I didn't point out the error.

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  187. Most mages can be run effectively in top lane. The important question isn't really "Can they function in top lane," (because most of them can, just by virtue of the ranged auto attacks) but rather "Is this mage worth the opportunity cost of not running a bruiser?"


    Generally speaking, the answer is no - having someone like Shyvana or Jax on your team offers a lot of utility in the form of objective control, splitpush pressure, and the ability to tower dive late. Some mages like Kayle or Lulu can sorta fill the same niche because their abilities sorta make tanks on the fly for towerdiving, and both of them have the option to itemize for taking down towers, while others like Kassadin have kits that function well with both bruiser and mage itemization.


    Looking at Diana's kit, I'm not that sure that she can fill either role. Her base damages aren't really high enough for her to still deal damage as a tank like Shyvana, and her shield's not really powerful enough for her to function as an off-tank while still building as a mage.


    So, I think that she technically has the kit to be a viable top laner, but the moment her numbers are too bad for it to be her optimal role.

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  188. Riot just killed kha zix really 46% win rate !!!!! Ur kidding me ?he's at olaf tier now lol

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  189. DogetheDogeJune 09, 2014

    Nami doesn't have burst.
    Sona has somewhat but if you use morgs shield you can easily block.
    Gragas i have never seen but it would seem like it woul work.
    Annie isn't played much and it is easy to tell when she is going in, and morg can just block her stun or snare her even.
    You can block zyra's two cc's
    And braum is banned a lot.


    Anyways when morg lays her black shield on it absorbs the damage and on your screen it says "Spell Immune". It seems like you have never really played bot lane.

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  190. DogetheDogeJune 09, 2014

    Imo gangplank sucks would rather have shen over him.
    Galio is trash.
    Who the hell plays alistar anyways it isnt season 1.

    Vlad isnt great but he can do well, he just has no early level advantages.
    Nunu is so last season.

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  191. Karthus is strong right now because his Q cooldown is bugged... 0.6s instead of 1s.

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  192. ScarfedGaryBuseyJune 09, 2014

    Big question, do you use neurotoxin before level 3 to start the harass? Because if so she has such a dismal mana pool early that yes, it is a waste to use it. I suggest finding a balance of using it along with auto's for harass, considering it resets the animation so like auto q auto hurts like hell in lane. After 3, if you use it well and cs to get the doran ring passive going (at least like 90% of the time u want dorans) or get chalice of harmony you should be fine for the most part. I don't know I'm pretty comfortable with her in the top lane so I got all the nitty gritty parts out of her, and shes definitely a main pick if I got her top.

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  193. Awesome! Thank you for putting Jarvan back up in tier 1 top and god tier as jungler. I was concerned with his position in the last tier list, with his small w buff I thought it was odd that he fell to tier 2 in top. But your explanation here is much appreciated.

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  194. This is pretty useful but it is SOOOOOOOOOO outdated. Last updated in 2012. It also says that pantheon needs a buff....he is the most broken jungler in the game right now..

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  195. Also it says warwick is a god tier jungler. He is now a horrible jungler. He cant even gank until level 6. Things in this game change.

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  196. Nvm it was updated in 2014. Its just waaaayyy off.

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  197. I don't agree with Jarvan 4 is God Tier Jungle.


    While his passive and shield got buffed, they aren't enough for him to excel. His buff doesn't save him in the League of Mobility, where half the champions in the game can dash out of his ulti (not even mentioning flash). His e+q combo requires just that: a combo. Heaven help you if your e is out of position or on cooldown. He provides the utility of armor shred, yes, but doesn't have the power to duel in this meta of Dueling Hyper Carries from the jungle bushes.


    He might be a fairly easy champ to pick up, but his build is incredibly situational, require in-depth knowledge of the game, teammates, and enemies to really utilize - this is different from other junglers like Amumu, Vi, Jax, or Xin Zhao who can get away with just about any related build and still carry hard.

    As a bruiser/fighter/tank with a game-changing ulti, Wukong provides a stronger and more reliable pick for this niche. Jarvan 4 is more worthy of mid-Teir 1.

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  198. Warwick hasn't been able to gank until level 6 for a long time, bud.


    Some things in this game never change.

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