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Nov 2, 2013

2013 Champion Tier List - Solo Queue - Patch 3.13 Updated November Update

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SEASON 3 - PATCH 3.13  SOLO QUEUE TIER LIST

This List has been updated, and new versions are available via this link

Preface Chatter
Also known as the omg-what-have-they-done-to-Sivir patch...

Patch Summary:
Buffs: Heimerdinger. Master Yi, Morgana, Olaf, Sivir, Syndra, Thresh, Ziggs
Nerfs: Aatrox, Ahri, Corki, Fizz, Jarvan, Jinx, Kassadin, Rengar, Shen, Tryndamere, Zed, Zyra

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Since this list was made shortly after the patch note release, not all balance changes were integrated. Rather than releasing a whole new list, I'll make small tweaks here and there as it becomes more apparent the effect of changes on various champion strengths. Mid lane was hit especially hard by a slew of balance changes, so it'll take a little bit of time before things pan out and the water clears.

11/6 Updates:
- Moved up: Morgana, Nidalee, Riven, Shyvana (Top), Swain, Syndra, Ziggs
- Moved down: Aatrox, Shen, Zed, Zyra

The Tier List

God Tier [Very Strong]: 
Mid-Lane GodsKassadinNidaleeAnnie, Fizz, Orianna
Jungle GodsRammus, Amumu, Jarvan IV, Nocturne, Sejuani, Fiddlesticks, Vi
AD GodsSivirJinx, Caitlyn, Twitch,
Top Lane GodsJax, Tryndamere, Singed, Wukong,  Renekton
Support Gods:  Sona, Janna, ZyraAnnieFiddlesticks

Tier 1 [Really Strong]:
Mid-LaneSwain, Lux, Zed, Malzahar, Kayle, Ahri, Ziggs, Syndra, Morgana, Kennen, Diana, Twisted Fate, Wukong, Brand, Gragas, Lissandra, Zyra, Kha'Zix, Corki
JungleElise, Zac, Aatrox, Nasus, Evelynn, Hecarim, Cho'Gath, Nautilus, Lee Sin, Volibear, Maokai,
AD Carry: Draven, Corki, Vayne, Varus, Tristana, Ezreal, Graves
Top Lane: Darius, Riven, Nasus, Aatrox, Yorick, Shyvana, Kennen, Jarvan IV, Elise, Kayle, Irelia, Zac, Lee Sin, Udyr, Nidalee,
Support: Thresh, Nami, Leona, Blitzcrank

Tier 2 [Balanced]:
Mid-LaneHeimerdinger, Mordekaiser, Cho'Gath, Anivia, Viktor, Cassiopeia, Vladimir, Xerath, Katarina,  Jayce, Elise, Pantheon, Akali, Talon, Galio,
JungleShyvana, Udyr, Shaco, Nunu, Kha'Zix, Master Yi, Warwick, Malphite, Wukong, Leona, Trundle, Xin Zhao, Rengar, Skarner, Diana, Zed
AD Carry:  Ashe, Lucian, Miss Fortune, Kog'Maw, Quinn
Top Lane: Rumble, Teemo, Fiora, Shen, Jayce, Rengar, Akali, Quinn, Vi, Swain, Kha'Zix, Pantheon, Vladimir,  Gangplank, Cho'gath, Volibear, Garen, Zed, Malphite, Master Yi
Support: Lulu, Taric, Alistar, Soraka,

Tier 3 [Needs Higher Skill/Knowledge Than Usual]:
Mid-LaneRyze, Karthus, Veigar, Sion, Leblanc, Evelynn, Karma, Fiddlesticks
JungleOlafFiora, Riven, Pantheon, Dr. Mundo, Jax, Kayle, Darius,
AD Carry:
Top Lane: Olaf, Mordekaiser, Warwick, Karma, Xin Zhao, Ryze, Nunu, Galio, Talon, Trundle, Dr. Mundo, Poppy
Support: Morgana, Nunu, Lux, Nautilus, Shen, Nidalee

Tier 4 [Difficult to Win]:
Mid-Lane Lulu, Kog'maw, Zilean, Soraka, Tristana, Janna, Ezreal,
JungleTryndamere, Gangplank, Blitzcrank, Alistar
AD Carry: Urgot
Top Lane: Urgot
Support: Kayle, Malphite, Gangplank, Elise, Maokai, Yorick, Lissandra, Karma, Ashe, Zilean, Leblanc, Caitlyn

  • Champions in BOLD I will talk about shortly
  • Champions UNDERLINED may be over/undervalued, but aren't/haven't played enough for me to make a better judgement.
  • Within each tier the champions are strongest from left to right, but within a tier each champion's strength is relatively close. This is especially true for Tiers 2 and 3 where these champions are ALL highly playable and player dependent on how strong they are in-game.

Champion Explanations
  • AD Carries - Starting to be a more clear distinction between Tier 1 and Tier 2 AD Carries as a result of synergy with more popular supports, split them back up.
  • Annie - Annie's extremely strong right now as both mid and support, and especially more so than before as support since they'ver nerfed Zyra, making her the perfect counter to kill lanes since well...she has more killing potential than even Blitz or Leona.
  • Corki - The nerfs hit him pretty hard, and while he's still very competitive, he's no longer as big a snowball threat as he was before, so he's dropped out of the faceroll tier.
  • Fiddlesticks - While his laning phase isn't always faceroll depending on the adc you're paired against, his late game utility is ridiculous due to his strong CC potential. Although you'll want to avoid picking him into certain kill lanes like Blitzcrank, he dismantles popular squishy supports with ease.
  • Heimerdinger - The buffs made him considerably stronger, but nobody really remembers how to play him, so he's still a bit medoicre at best.
  • Jayce - Manamune nerfs have sent him spiraling down in win rate
  • Jinx - On release she was almost definitely the strongest AD carries on the field. However, with her nerfs and Sivir's buffs, she'll have to relinqish that position. Even with the nerfs she's still very strong and her lvl 1 invasion potential is insane with her passive and long range slow.
  • Kassadin - Kassadin's nerfs didn't hurt him all that much, and while it's tough to say he's the all-encompassing best mid in the game, mid lane's generally fairly balanced at the moment and it's hard to say any one mid laner is that much better than another.
  • Nidalee - Nidalee's one of those champs that lower Elo players tend to underestimate because she's very skill based and needs strong match-up knowledge. She's also one of those champions that has to be the star of the show, and the team has to adapt to her playstyle. However, at the same time, like Season 1 Teemo, it's one of the most frustrating playstyles to go up against. With an Athene's and blue buff, as long as the rest of your team has enough CC and burst, simply grouping for 5v5s mid will result in victory, since each of her spears can potentiall send almost anyone back to base for healing after 1 shot on a squishy or around 3 on the tank.
  • Nocturne - With nerfs on a lot of popular junglers coming out left and right, Nocturne's seen a fast rise in popularity as he's starting to outduel more and more junglers now. His ult, AOE, and CC makes him a perfect counterganker, and if you elect to build trinity force on him his burst is pretty slick as well.
  • Pantheon - Doesn't fall off as hard with t-force and hydra anymore, with other assassins nerfed he's start to be a solid pick. 
  • Ryze - Ryze's tweaks were definitely a nerf, and it's very difficult to land his snare now without putting himself directly in harm's way.
  • Shen - Nerfs on top laners have made him more dominant in game, and of course with his team fight changing ultimate he always had the utility to be a top competitor. However, in solo queue, it was simply a matter of stats.
  • Sivir - The Sivir changes made have created a monster...luckily they nerfed her during her initial testing phase, I shudder to think what she was like before.
  • Zac - With consistent nerfs he's dropped off since his damage isn't enough to make him a consistent threat unless he's able to get his sunfire at a reasonable speed.
  • Zyra - Nerfs to Zyra have made her slightly weaker as a support, but she's still extremely powerful in lane and later on chiefly through her utility.
Disclaimer:
  • The purpose of this list is for discussion and to provide a starting point for hero selection.
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261 comments:

  1. Um... Pantheon and Jayce are bolded without explanation <_>

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  2. He probably hasn't gotten to them yet. Wait awhile, this was just updated.

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  3. SSJSuntasticNovember 02, 2013

    Queue popped, got distracted...

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  4. nidalee is the best mid right now (after kassa maybe), in diamond tier she got a stable 55% winrate and it is understandable : laning against her early is a SUCH A PAIN, even when hard countering, and late game, well, welcome to spear hell.
    in lower tiers apparently she doesn't perform so well, chain suicides nid i guess

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  5. Pulsefire MegamanNovember 02, 2013

    Malzahar's kit is amazing on paper, but his voidlings are very very buggy. Give him a shot in a bot game or something. The Voidlings just start spasming when you E a target and walk out of autoattack range. Sometimes, they just ignore the target and follow you instead. So annoying. Definitely not a reliable mid laner. That alone should drop him to tier 3?

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  6. I noticed that Ziggs also had a sudden drop to tier 3. What's your reasoning behind that?

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  7. what do u think of olaf?

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  8. Clayton CarknerNovember 02, 2013

    imo kog should go up a tier or two as APmid. i really dont know why hes so far down. n AP kog at a good standing can really explode with kassadin-like burst

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  9. Richard DannieNovember 02, 2013

    soooooo lux last time and now annie for mid???

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  10. Chekhovs GnuNovember 02, 2013

    Super happy to see Fiddlesticks in god tier after I started to love playing him as support this week <3

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  11. Chekhovs GnuNovember 02, 2013

    Oh- and just a question, why did you drop Thresh a tier? Do the others just outclass him now, or have some changes in the strongest other characters made him a less effective support-tank?

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  12. SSJSuntasticNovember 02, 2013

    Thresh is always going to be one of those champions that hovers around God tier to Tier 1, He's pretty good against sustain lanes with squishy supports, but he's not that great against aggressive supports who outdamage him when he doesn't land his hook.

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  13. SSJSuntasticNovember 02, 2013

    I think he's pretty strong right now, his engages are still pretty meh, but if he gets ahead he has good sticking power.

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  14. I recently laned bot with a sivir in ranked gold and... it was like trying to 1v2 the lane. My sivir was so weak it wasn't even funny. 0 damage, and she had items too, i was feeding her a lot with thresh. Idk how she is really strong, i just don't see it. I'm pretty sure i was doing more damage as thresh than she was. And when i had to go against a sivir as twitch, it was painfully easy. How is she god tier?!?!

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  15. I fail to see how Sivir is God Tier 1..

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  16. SSJSuntasticNovember 02, 2013

    It will become apparent over the next few days...

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  17. I didn't start long ago on LoL, so this might be the noob in me talking, but what the hell. I want to give my two cents.

    Is Zed really good for the god-tier anymore? His damage didn't get nerfed at all, but that can be deceiving. His shadows are fairly slow now; no more dodging a lot of skill shots; and it's very easy to CC him if he's going over a wall, thanks to his shadow not being "almost instant" but instead some sort of Nidalee spear. It's just a split second later (0.3 or so), but that's good enough for most people to catch him if they can; so no more safe getaways.
    However, the real nerf is to his slow. Slowing people with your shadow seems pretty hard now; it's dodgeable; and since you use two moves and half your energy for that slow, which is your only CC; I think that hits him pretty hard.

    Ulti gives a veeeeery fair warning now. Basically, if there's any possible way they can avoid your ulti, they will every single time. It's just so easy to counter it now,; and with it's long cooldown, I don't see him killing too much with his ulti anymore. And since Zed depends on his ulti so much to get a kill unlike other melee assassins like Talon or Kha'Zix; that hits him very hard.

    Or am I wrong and it's all in my head? I hardly get any kill with him now, from an average of 8-11 on victories (this on normals against other non-thirties); deaths have doubled or so.

    Would love a correction if there's one. Someone to tell me that we just have to get used to the new speed and work with it.

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  18. Nicolas CageNovember 02, 2013

    Zed's still sitting in God Tier, so I suppose SSJ isn't of the opinion that Zeds nerfs hit too hard.


    I'm not an experienced Zed player or anything, but IMO he's significantly weaker after this patch.

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  19. SSJSuntasticNovember 03, 2013

    There's been a lot of balancing going on in mid lane at the moment, and Zed is definitely much weaker than before. He's still got a very safe laning phase, but I think players just need to get used to the new Zed timings before going completely ham. He may be getting moved down next update, but he's by no means weak by any standard.

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  20. Really good tier guide! I direct all my friends here and with a much clearer idea of current tiers, we have both gotten from low silver to high gold. Thanks SSJ!

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  21. She does more AoE but idk how much more and nothing has been changed about her that much..

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  22. TonyTheLiger1412November 03, 2013

    Why is Kha'Zix a tier 2 jungler? That's the only way I play him, since it's so great, compared to his mid and top. Provided I get at least a reasonably good leash on blue, I end up carrying the team. This happens in 9/10 games that I play with him. He falls off in those super long games where everyone has at least 14k, but that doesn't happen too often. I'm just not really sure why he isn't tier 1, or why I never see people play him.

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  23. You may need another tier, honestly.
    God Tier
    Tier 1 [Really Strong]
    Tier 2 [Strong]
    Tier 3 [Balanced]


    anyway, why is Sivir an AD God? Lately the only five champs I have touched are Fiora, Brand, Sivir, Vayne and Jinx. I know she's strong and all but you didn't elaborate much on why she's as good as a Jinx, Caitlyn or Vayne.

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  24. Ahri dropped alot in tiers did the nerf hit her that hard?

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  25. What are the thoughts about getting a tear of the goddess and a chalice of harmony early on for Heimerdinger? I've been leading those items into archangel's staff and athene's unholy grail and its been pretty awesome. I've gotten cooldown reduction and a huge amount of mana and mana regen so I can spam a lot without fear of worrying out of mana during and before team fights. That's only been my experience so far so I'm not going to say for certain that is the way to build him as situations vary but I am interested to know what others think about that item combo early on.

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  26. Jonathan AvilaNovember 03, 2013

    What up with ahri? Was she needed that badly? Is she still viable enough to use 6300 IP on anymore?

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  27. Black SabbathNovember 03, 2013

    Ahri is extremely viable, not to hate on this tier list but i feel there are some serious inaccuracies, based on what we saw at the world tournament for league i would argue that the 5 strongest mids, in no order, are zed, fizz, ahri, gragus, and orianna, i dont think kass or annie are quite up there, annie especially, her support game is more viable at this point. So yes, ahri is extremely worth 6300 now, her high burst damage in addition to her engage with charm makes her a highly dangerous lane opponent and a great late game asset to the team, buy her

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  28. You should add Lissandra Top. Playing against her a lot these days. As a AP top laner she's definately viable!

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  29. I'd reccomend taking a closer look at Karma. She's very undervalued and can be a really good top, I would say tier 2. Spammable Q and lots of utility

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  30. well, imo jungle udyr is tier 1 and Olaf is at least tier 2 top

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  31. What about mid kayle? I love her alot, and I play her nonestop, I also recently bought Aether skin. But is she really that good for competitive play?

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  32. TonyTheLiger1412November 03, 2013

    Her ultimate can save lives and can often turn around team fights if you use it correctly. She can chase people down really well, boosting her own speed(or an ally's) and slowing the enemy. Her splash attacks can shred the armor and magic resist of most of the enemy team, not to mention her heal.

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  33. lollllll my kass will crush any zed, ahri, gragus or orianna. fizz is trickier, but kass is the king of mid lane. i main him, and there really are no counters, just harder match ups.

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  34. Cyrus GivianpourNovember 03, 2013

    uh zyra tier 1 mid? have you played her? against her? she sucks now, her ult is garbage too, i feel it takes longer to knock up

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  35. Trombe SupportsNovember 03, 2013

    LeBlanc? Difficult to win?

    ... (:

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  36. Thresh get buffed but falls down to tier 2?

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  37. Bennett AlstonNovember 03, 2013

    how is yi balanced

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  38. Ziggs' win rate has jumped to 53% and is the second highest of all mid laners. You might want to move him up from tier 3. While the buffs by themselves don't look like much, they stack extremely well.

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  39. Well it doesn't take longer to knock up, so feeling like it does isn't really a valid argument. Here laning wasn't touched, actually got late game buff since she has an extra 5% on her Q ratio.

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  40. She just requires your team to play in a certain way. Kinda like Nidalee except that Karma doesn't really fit into split pushing or teamfights which is really the only thing solo queuers are willing to do. She's more of a positioning small skirmish type champion which a team playing like that would need a lot of communication that solo queue just does't have.

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  41. This tier list isn't for highly organized highly skilled competitive play. It's for solo queue and in solo queue the champions that excel are the ones that can single handedly carry and work with the widest variety of team compositions. Those champions like Kassadin who really punish bad play habits can be very high on the tier list and never seen in pro play because in solo queue the vast majority of games will have players that don't have perfect mechanics.

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  42. Her single-target damage is actually buffed a little bit when she hits her charms. However, she already had amazing single-target burst and her multi-target damage is flat reduced which was one of her major selling points pre-nerf. Not to mention if you miss that charm all of her damage is reduced which just makes it harder to do consistently well with her in a high sample of games.

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  43. She's extremely vulnerable to her opponent stacking MR and being unburstable (a champ like Orianna can start at level 1 with 72 MR). She also lacks the wave clear you get with other assassins and is not very useful late game.

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  44. Her AS steroid that used to only be on her ult is now available every 5 seconds with W. Her spell shield is now free from a huge 75 mana cost previously, so she can now pretty much stay in lane forever as it still returns mana as well. Her new W has unlimited bounces, so she is pretty much guaranteed to hit every member of the enemy team or force them to reposition to avoid the damage in a team fight and it gives her godlike wave clear for any number of minions and it gives her guaranteed harass in lane for free since all you have to do is hit any minion and it will end up on an enemy champion or force them to move away from the wave. Her new ult is just the MS boost, so she can use it more freely for positioning/engage/disengage without have to worry about a reduction in damage output.


    TL;DR - Sivir is now MUCH easier to play since you have less decisions to make while retaining the same utility(i.e. more consistent) and offers MUCH more power when played to the best of her ability(i.e. op)

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  45. The voidlings are a small part of Malzahar's kit. He would still be viable if he didn't have them at all. Still kinda proves your point that they are flawed in design, but Malz is definitely viable in tier 1-2.

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  46. A lot of people that don't know how to play her are picking her up just because she was reworked. Make no mistake, she is ridiculously strong.

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  47. 3 things happened:
    1. all the drawbacks were removed from her spells: AS steroid separated from MS steroid, mana cost removed from spell shield
    2. her utility was increased: infinite wave clear, more mana from spell shield, free no-risk harass from infinite bounces, can use MS steroid more freely
    3. her damage was increased: AS steroid provides more to you instead of the team which is good since you use AS better 90% of the time, AS steroid is always up since it's not just her ult even though it is just as powerful, infinite bounces on W is a huge boost team fight aoe especially when there are minions nearby

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  48. Cyrus GivianpourNovember 03, 2013

    that wasnt my arguement, just expressing a feeling. she breaks even at 500 AP. just wait and watch her winrate as a mid

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  49. Trombe SupportsNovember 03, 2013

    I was referring to her placement in the support list

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  50. This might be dumb, but I just thought of it and It might be actually good. Support Rammus!
    He has a taunt, which should be as long as fiddle's fear , and It also acts like a silence too. Despite not being aoe, It's still game changing. 2ndly, He have Q. It can chase well, have an aoe knock up too. This gives him good supporting powers too. 3rdly, He have tankiness, and a fairly pain to squishies ultimate. I say that he should be as good as Fiddles, And I wanna ask you too, Why do ppl play him as a Jungler only, why not support or top? He can always fill those roles O:

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  51. Whats wrong with ezreal mid, I get tri force and marumana seems to do fine against mid

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  52. Fabio RicardoNovember 04, 2013

    He's probally talking about AP ez, who don't use muramana* nor triforce

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  53. Fabio RicardoNovember 04, 2013

    Just what my experience (not really much) says. First, he's a melee without any gap closer (ie Leona, Alistar) or grab (ie Blitz, Thresh), so he needs to walk/powerball to the enemy adc to use his cc. Since the adc is a ranged champion, probally with a support who has cc, it would make really hard to do something. Second, he's not so tanky early levels without maxing the DBC (W), and if he does, he can't max the taunt.Third, his chasing power is really good, but it's more for long runs, as powerball gains speed over the duration, and bot lane isn't that big to take the best out of it. After all, he really needs gold, as he's a tank who stands in the middle of the fight, he needs gold to take all the damage, and for now supports don't make that much profit

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  54. Fabio RicardoNovember 04, 2013

    I don't see how she's a good support. Not even a support at all. Poke, insane damage, dashes and silence are great, for a mid laner. She can't tank any damage, don't heal or buff the adc, may take all the kills and needs money for build.

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  55. BelieveinsteveNovember 04, 2013

    I think heimer is really strong. I don't know if he qualifies as a god tier right now, but he sure can pump out the damage and utility as well as lane presence like a tier 1. I don't know about his roam potential because of his turrets, but if a good heimer is leveling rockets first and can land his grenade, his roaming can be quite godly.


    I haven't had a bad game with heimer since the rework, I just can't lose, and his skills against being out numbered is challenged but never faltered.

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  56. Fabio RicardoNovember 04, 2013

    As you and the guys said, he got nerfed, that's a fact, but there are reasons for that. If a Zed got FB it was almost impossible to win the lane, and his roaming was really strong. With the new balance now he's more viable to play against. He requires more skill/wisdom to play, as most of the hard-impact champions do


    By the way, Zed does not need to ult for every kill, "like Talon". Both may get kills with the ultimate or without, depends on how fed they are and who they are targeting

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  57. Overlord MalzaharNovember 04, 2013

    Agreed. Maybe next season where supports will get more gold. Will still be lacking the gap closer inlane, but if the jungler can pin the enemy it might work.

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  58. Overlord MalzaharNovember 04, 2013

    Vs'ing a Kass depends more on the skill/knowledge of the player than on tha champion itself, but i think Orianna is a pretty good pick against him. This is as long as you don't underestimate his power.

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  59. Can someone clarify the Jayce drop? I tried to find the manamune nerfs but I didn't find them. Just got his awesome full metal skin from mystery gift and started learning him and I wanted to make sure I don't build manamune if it isn't a good choice anymore.

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  60. I think Nami Mid is quite fun
    what do you guys think? isn't it possible?

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  61. His not. Delete him.

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  62. I agree with your list completly, except for Heim. Imo he should be a low Tier 1 Mid now, the buffs have made him incredibly strong, you just max missiles first rather than turrets.
    Also, if your team has poor cc/hard init, you max bomb second for counter initiation. Sure, you lose damage output, but one good ult can win the game.

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  63. IrrîtatingNovember 04, 2013

    The problem with assassin junglers is it forces the rest of the team to compensate. In lower elo matchups, where play skill will win games over team comps, assassin junglers are fine, however the higher you go, the harder it is to make that kind of option, since you're forcing the team to add cc to their line ups (since kha only has a slow on his spikes) and if the jungler takes the kills, it doesn't give the lanes much of an advantage. The teams then end up being focused strictly on 1 player, since the jungle has all the kills, so that's the primary target. In regards to Kha, he has to engage close range, which any team would sit together, pick up oracles so Kha can't stealth engage, and cc him when he shows up. If all your eggs are in one basket, it's easy to break 'em. The high tier junglers prefer bruisers with brawling potential (Aatrox, Vi, J4, etc) because it still provides that tanky/cc option you want for gank potential, as well as they have some damage to hold out their own in jungle brawls/counter jungling.

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  64. IrrîtatingNovember 04, 2013

    As a troll matchup for fun in lower elo, absolutely. But the higher you go in skill matchups, the less fun it will be, since more players will just dodge the slow moving bubble and push your face in for being in mid lane on a support champ lol. :)

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  65. Lol what??? Ezreal tier 4?? Are you guys serious?

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  66. Joseph FitchettNovember 04, 2013

    what happened to ryze for him to drop

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  67. DongerMeisterNovember 04, 2013

    HEIMERDINGER GOD OF LOL

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  68. Jonathan AvilaNovember 04, 2013

    haha :)
    her actually become pretty viable IMO with the recent buffs. Recently, I just barely beat one whereas I would usually crush the ones I faced.

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  69. SSJSuntasticNovember 04, 2013

    That's AP Ezreal

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  70. SSJSuntasticNovember 04, 2013

    Range and tear nerfs hurt him quite a bit, but he's still good if he gets ahead. Just a delayed drop.

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  71. SSJSuntasticNovember 04, 2013

    It's a tear nerf from earlier, just much slower to stack it up to full and get the bonus.

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  72. swain all the way. hes under appreciated. Amazing mid. Beats fizz and all mids every time. Tough playin against lux. Torment #1 spell. Torment + Flash + Ignite= Kill after poked a little with torment. Hes amazing with mana regen after every minion kill, life steal, stun, and slows.

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  73. BoltOfSpadesNovember 04, 2013

    Played Jungle Galio vs. a Lee Sin, they surrendered at 20, you should add that to the list.

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  74. TonyTheLiger1412November 04, 2013

    He's not overpowered above Bronze II really.

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  75. TonyTheLiger1412November 04, 2013

    He takes kills when he roams from mid, just as much as when he ganks from jungle, so what is it that makes him tier 1 mid, but only tier 2 jungle? He's so counterable in mid.

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  76. Ziggs should be Tier 1 with the amount of buffs his getting lately and the nerfs to other mid laners especially assasins.

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  77. John DeFazioNovember 05, 2013

    wait u have annie god tier but not ahri? ahri is so much stronger imo

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  78. Guys I cant see zed and he should be in tier 1 or god Hes just really OP

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  79. SureThingFallenNovember 05, 2013

    The buffs actually are hella huge this time around. People don't understand that he is now THE lane bully mid. You can permanently mine a zone of mid, and to clear them they have to take pretty hefty damage, and you essentially can't trade with him because for each spell you land he will land atleast 2-4 different spells, even more for the super good ziggs players who can use his w and e quite cleverly. You will almost assuredly be seeing him quite a bit more often now, he is a powerhouse mid bully. And he is a direct counter to the donger

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  80. Austin GriffethNovember 05, 2013

    List list reaaaalllyyy under-rates ziggs. To be honest, I believe that ziggs is a high tier 1 mid champ right now.

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  81. Why is Cassiopeia only tier 2? Her early game is strong, she has amazing team fight, and good mobility with swiftness boots and her q proc. Not to mention her miasma, someone always accidentally runs through it.

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  82. I think hes definitely viable but he relies on their positioning so much. Any mid with some kind of mobility will decimate him. Also his new turrets have very low hp so their very easy to deal with for most of the game.

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  83. Nicolas CageNovember 05, 2013

    Zed's listed as a God Tier Mid, Tier 2 Top, and Tier 2 Jungle.


    IMO, his nerfs hit pretty hard though. Wouldn't be surprised to see him drop a bit.

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  84. Nicolas CageNovember 05, 2013

    Jungle Galio's very situational and tends to perform rather inconsistently. His MR stacking doesn't really benefit him in the jungle at all, his clears/sustain aren't excellent, and his ganks pre-6 aren't overwhelmingly strong.


    He works, but I wouldn't rank him highly. Tier 4.

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  85. Francis ChambersNovember 05, 2013

    Why is Rammus top tier jungler?

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  86. TonyTheLiger1412November 05, 2013

    Very tanky, very fast, taunt, knockback.

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  87. what would u say about katarina mid? from what i hear, she is a viable solo que champion. i am interested to know what u think

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  88. SSJSuntasticNovember 05, 2013

    She's very strong against the right team comp, but has somewhat difficult mechanics and requires quick reflexes.

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  89. u moved shen from tier 2 to tier 1 after he got several more nerfs + lower winrate than ever before.........

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  90. SSJSuntasticNovember 06, 2013

    Agreed, moved him back to balanced.

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  91. where's vayne top ?

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  92. idk why you rank leblanc so low. she has a high skill cap is all. people are using her more and more in ranked for her ability to blink to someone and destroy them. like any assassin, good leblancs should roam rather than trying to stay mid and wait for sejuani to gank.

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  93. Tryn Mid not seen enough? I've found it pretty strong lately.

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  94. "Provided I get at least a reasonably good leash on blue"
    Try going for bot side buff always, bot lane leash too stronk

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  95. Jonathan Van EgmondNovember 06, 2013

    The reason it's ok to take kills while in mid lane is because then his lane will snowball, and your jungler will help others get kills anyway with his cc. Kha jungle won't benefit a specific lane with his kills and so the other lanes will suffer, since your opponent jungler will feed everyone on their own team, and kha will only feed himself

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  96. Jonathan Van EgmondNovember 06, 2013

    He can't poke or deny cs cause the enemy adc will just shoot him from a distance

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  97. nasus should definitely be in god tier.. i think he needs to be nerfedplz you cant do anything to stop this vicious k9 from tearing your team apart.

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  98. IdioticUlt1maraNovember 07, 2013

    Glad to see that sona is still one of the best supports. Was just looking at this list to see how things have changed since the start of season 3. Not played since then but getting back into it. So yeah thanks for the list ^^ need to actually play a little more to see what I think personally but this is a good starting point for me ^^

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  99. Nocturne Top?

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  100. Nicolas CageNovember 07, 2013

    Tier 4 at best, it's not very good.


    Nocturne's kit forces him to push waves unnecessarily when in-lane. He doesn't offer a lot in the way of competing in-lane with other top-lanes either.

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  101. Nicolas CageNovember 07, 2013

    AD or AP Tryndamere mid?

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  102. Alleria WindrunnerNovember 07, 2013

    What's your idea on Shyvana? She's getting picked a lot lately.

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  103. Nicolas CageNovember 07, 2013

    Hey everyone, I'd like to get everyone's opinion on a few champs: Renekton, Riven, Kog'Maw, and Syndra. Renekton and Riven are currently competing for the spot of the next champ I main top-lane, and I was curious as to who is more recommended. I don't own Kog'Maw or Syndra, and they'll both be on sale tomorrow, so I was hoping I could get some feedback from everyone here as to whether or not they're champions worth picking up.

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  104. why jayce isn't present in mid anymore? if i recall in the last tier list it he was there and i don't think it is an overly bad choice if there is an ap champ top.

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  105. Nasus Need to be in God Tier

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  106. Josh PossanzNovember 07, 2013

    Can you explain the swain and ziggs moves?

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  107. Can someone explain the Sejuani God Tier classification? I was really surprised by seeing her up there

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  108. NuclearduckyNovember 07, 2013

    As a Zed main, I feel pretty confident in saying that you're absolutely right. His Lolking win rate also attests to this, so really, I don't think Zed deserves to be in Tier 1. Tier 2 at the VERY BEST, and that's pushing it.

    I'm okay with the ult change. The extra warning is not that good for players, but it'll give you more time to dodge attacks which can lead to some pretty sick plays. I don't think they even needed to buff his ult shadow that much. However, his W shadow is what changes everything. My reasoning is that his W nerfs everything that he needs, from chase, to mobility, to the range of his attacks and his poke potential. While I agree with the fact that he still has the potential to get scary, I just don't see him being as powerful as other assassins now, such as Talon (which I've played in the past and I enjoy), Kha'zix, Panth, Kassadin, Diana, etc.

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  109. Malcolm BessNovember 07, 2013

    How come kha'zix mid isn't listen am i just not seeing it?

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  110. Current meta favors jungle champions that are naturally tanky with good initiates and cc, while Sej can't put out quite as much damage as some of the others up there she can really lock down a champion.

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  111. Agreed, Udyr is definitely tier 1 IMO, you just have to really make full use of his stances, make sure to hit as many champs as possible while in bear stance, and the recent buffs to phoenix make it an actually useful ability.

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  112. Really surprised no one else thinks Udyr is a higher tier for jungle, bear stance is op as always, and building into a spirit stone solves the only problem he had which was mana regen. Also phoenix stance isn't a terrible thing to put one point into at 6 anymore.

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  113. TonyTheLiger1412November 08, 2013

    Renekton is probably about equal to Riven, since he's a lot tankier, with similar damage, but less cc. I think Renekton might chase a bit better in short distance, but if you're going from one turret to another, Riven has a much better chance to catch the opponent. Riven's shield lets you sustain when ranged tops try to poke you out of lane, and she has two stuns to interrupt a lot of combos and channels, as opposed to Renekton only having one stun, and simply tanking the pokes. Riven's third Q can jump some walls, but I don't know if Renekton's dash can do that or not. I don't play Renekton, but I've been told he doesn't really have any hard counters. Basically, they're both very viable top champions, and really great in lane and late game, it just depends whether you need a tank, or a bruiser in the team comp.


    Syndra and Kog'Maw, I can't really help you there. I plan to get Syndra tomorrow, but generally, I'm not that great with most APC's besides Orianna. Ezreal is the only ADC I play that well. Most of them aren't mobile enough imo.

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  114. TonyTheLiger1412November 08, 2013

    She has great jungle clear time. I can kill wolves, wraiths, golems, and get back to wolves before they respawn. Her high mobility and clear time makes her good for counterjungling. She doesn't have great ganks, but just build her tanky with some attack speed, and she can just focus on and take down a target, while damaging surrounding people as well. I don't play her top, so I can't really say anything about her laning phase.

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  115. TonyTheLiger1412November 08, 2013

    I've seen Nocturne in every position, sadly. Even more sadly, some champions, like Nocturne, are really only good for one role, and can't be played anywhere else effectively. Nocturne is a great jungler, but that's all he can do.

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  116. TonyTheLiger1412November 08, 2013

    Her passive heal was nerfed, making it harder to sustain. Her Foxfire and Spirit Rush both got nerfed, but that doesn't really seem so important, as long as you hit with her charm, since that gives 20% bonus damage to following spells. It's basically a built in DFG.

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  117. LULU?!?! IN TIER 4!??!
    "DIFFICULT TO WIN WITH"?!?!


    SHAME ON YOU

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  118. zeds nerf isnt just a nerf it can also make him better u just need to play him right

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  119. I'm with this. His Q does too much damn damage even if he builds tank and he's just able to sit there at his tower getting that damage to near destructive levels. They need to adjust the rate at which he receives stacks or something

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  120. I played Riven for awhile and then switched to Renek and for a lot of good it's done. The biggest problem for riven is that if she doesn't snowball and gets behind on farm she falls off really hard on late game so unless you get a couple of kills off in the first 10 min she's basically behind. Plus her stun and dmg of the stun is completely inferior to Reneks. Her playstyle forces you to go HAM every match and I found that Renek's is a bit more fun

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  121. who's better? Annie or Shen?????

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  122. Thanks dude, really appreciate the answer ^^

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  123. each have different roles, so it's apples and oranges

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  124. I agree that it's more of a tweak but not you can't gap close with the ultmate along w/ the ult-shadow, thus doing less dmg. More chances of mobility and outplay however.

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  125. He's a bit of a one trick pony though. He's too vulnerable to kiting

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  126. Khazix is in mid tier 1

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  127. TonyTheLiger1412November 08, 2013

    His ult's new position of the shadow allows him to get out of some sticky situations. Ult someone, run away, go back to your Ult shadow.

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  128. Both Jungle and Top Nasus is in Tier 1. I think that's fair. It's hard for Jungle Nasus to be god-tier due to his lack of hard-cc, and he's not as safe top-laner as Renekton because Nasus lacks a solid escape. Top Nasus doesn't snowball as hard either.

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  129. If you're asking where is jayce on the tier list, he's in MId and Top Tier 2

    If you're asking why people don't play him as much is because of the Manamune nerfs.

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  130. Taylor and Tony gave good insight on Renekton and Riven so i'll give my 2cents on Syndra and Kogmaw

    As an ad-carry, Kogmaw is subpar since he has no escape. He's very vulnerable to ganks, and pretty much as no way to prevent an assassin from blowing him up. If you're team as amazing peel though, you'll be an unstoppable hyper-carry.

    Syndra is a really high skill capped champion. She has the highest lvl6 burst in the game, and has a really good long range aoe stun. If you're more of a mobility player (ie. Ahri, lissandra, or kha'zix) I wouldn't recommend her for you. If you like playing less mobile but bursty champs like Brand and lux, she'll be a good pick up.

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  131. herbeth szabolcsNovember 09, 2013

    Nooob's why add jinx and sivir in good tier

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  132. shes played allot in higher elos as a really strong jungler

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  133. Tristana should get moved up imo. A Good trist shits on jinx and can carry harder than sivir late game.

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  134. hahaha top lane god singed???? he is shit!

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  135. (second questtion) did manamune nerf really hurt him that much? i usually don't build the manamune until i haven't got the bloodthirsty and the mercurial scimitar/maw of malmostus/arpen item and i haven't noticed really significant changes

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  136. Olaf is a way good, actually I think he is such better than gp, fiora or teemo.

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  137. because of the nerf, you can't stack it as fast as before so you can't get muramana fast enough, which is a huge power spike for Jayce. Tier 2 isn't too bad though. He's not completely useless

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  138. I think Jungle tier 1 is fine for Nasus but in Top lane he's def god tier. If he doesn't straight up lock down his opponent and is pushed to tower he can safely farm up his Q where's he's deleting 1k dmg per hit and he's doing the same to your towers. And wither + ult insures that he will get away if he gets caught.

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  139. It's becoming more of a popularity tier than a efficiency list, everytime a champions popularity rise they fucking put him in a godtier, that i can see myself ingame. Everyone started jungling as nocturne and boom he's in a godtier alltho his ult was nerfed to shit back in the day, now he req quite a skill to jungle with. Oriana became more popular and they threw her in the godtier, what a scam. This list is useless.

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  140. SSJSuntasticNovember 09, 2013

    Thanks buddy, or maybe I put them in God Tier and now everyone wants to play them!

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  141. No offense intended, it's just how i see things from my point of view, im pretty sure you have your point too. Maybe im just mad to see every spanish idiot play my main champion which so suddenly became popular out of nowhere.

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  142. Explanation on the Tier 1 Shyvana Top?

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  143. I believe poppy is good in jungle

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  144. Why is Ezreal put in the most bottom tier for mid lane constantly in each tier list? I wouldn't say it is something u see often but it is not a weird pick and is seen played in high elo quite regularly.

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  145. SSJSuntasticNovember 10, 2013

    It's mainly for AP Ezreal, ADC mid isn't exactly mainstream in solo queue yet, so to decide every ADC's viability mid would require more data.

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  146. SSJSuntasticNovember 10, 2013

    Poppy has a somewhat weak clear, and is more of a niche pick.

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  147. SSJSuntasticNovember 10, 2013

    She's basically like a higher damaged Singed who also has strong teamfight initiation. She can also duel very early in the jungle by pushing out at lvl 1 and invading red with the enemy jungler. A few of the buffs a while back gave her just enough stats to be strong.

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  148. SSJSuntasticNovember 10, 2013

    It's fine, I'm still upset about Nidalee jumping to 34% ban rate, makes my mid-lane life difficult.

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  149. k thank you for the heads up, too bad people start flaming if you play something different than ahri and likes in mid

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  150. Clark MillerNovember 10, 2013

    ANNIE as a god support?! please reconsider.

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  151. Where is kayle mid she is good mid?

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  152. (strandedon)thewrongbeachNovember 11, 2013

    soraka balanced?

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  153. Personally I think udyr should be higher on this list. His only real downfall is that he can be easily kited, but volibear has the exact same weakness and still managed to get teir one. Due to his lack of ultimate his other abilities have too be much stronger in order to compensate and if you get a level or two on an opponent the advantage is so much bigger because of this. So much chasing and escaping power, utility, aoe or single target damage really cost efficient builds... just not sure why he is tier two :P

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  154. Howl SoulsparrowNovember 11, 2013

    You put Nocturne in God Tier and I've recently picked him up, so I agree hes very good, but what do you make of his sudden drop in win rates?

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  155. Pink Sprinkles are PinklesNovember 11, 2013

    This game is for dumbs!

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  156. Pink Sprinkles are PinklesNovember 11, 2013

    Wasting your money you stupid democrats!

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  157. Pink Sprinkles are PinklesNovember 11, 2013

    WHO CARES?!?!?!?!?

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  158. Pink Sprinkles are PinklesNovember 11, 2013

    Jesus Christ

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  159. Pink Sprinkles are PinklesNovember 11, 2013

    mana tiers and BLAHHHHHHHHHHHHH. SHUT UP!

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  160. Pink Sprinkles are PinklesNovember 11, 2013

    oh heavens to betsy

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  161. Pink Sprinkles are PinklesNovember 11, 2013

    no she amn't

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  162. Pink Sprinkles are PinklesNovember 11, 2013

    rich urgot

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  163. Pink Sprinkles are PinklesNovember 11, 2013

    NOPE!

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  164. TonyTheLiger1412November 11, 2013

    Volibears speed boost when trying to throw an enemy champion ranges from 30 to 50% depending on level, so, not only is he far more likely to catch the enemy than Udyr is, but he'll also catch them a lot faster, and will throw them instead of just a 1 second stun. Trying to kite a Volibear just doesn't work, because he will catch you if he wants to. They're both great tanks, but Volibear does a lot more damage, can rush into the fight better, and has better cc, but the throw only hits one person. Also, Volibear has that passive that is basically the same as undying rage when you're in a 1v1.

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  165. TonyTheLiger1412November 11, 2013

    It's AP Ezreal, which works, but not that great.

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  166. TonyTheLiger1412November 11, 2013

    More like apples and curtains.

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  167. TonyTheLiger1412November 11, 2013

    I don't notice some champions being played often until after this list gets released. When the October list was released, suddenly, EVERYONE played Vi. I'd see her a few times per day, as opposed to a week earlier, I'd see her once every few days.

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  168. Clearly with ziggs' huge increase in win rate, he is a god tier mid laner.

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  169. No support veigar?

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  170. Ok well... Overall pretty good but as an urgot main I have a few problems with this. First off urgot isn't even an AD carry. Second, urgot is great at mid, but he isn't mentioned as a mid here. Also, urgot isn't underpowered and difficult, he just takes more skill than usual. His nerfs didn't really weaken him like most people think it did. Rather, it changed his role drastically and most people aren't able to grasp this and still try to play him like they did before the nerfs, do really bad, and make an underpowered call.

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  171. u use w 2 poke and w becomes extremely helpful when 1 shoting

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  172. swains q is not useful in the begginning game, so start with e. E is torment, you can use it to poke, it deals damage over time but a lot, its kinda like ignite. W is a stun, you mark the ground for an area u want 2 stun. it takes a few seconds though before the stun works. His q is a crow that basically latches on to an opponent until they move out of range, it slows them down and deals overtime damage. Swain's ulti transforms him into an AWESOME crow. that can deal up to 3 enemys at a time. Its basically a life steal. so its perfect for 1 shoting. His passive also helps him stay in a lane. he gets mana whenever he kills a minion or champion.

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  173. swain all the way. hes under appreciated. Amazing mid. Beats fizz and all mids every time. Tough playin against lux. Torment #1 spell. Torment + Flash + Ignite= Kill after poked a little with torment. Hes amazing with mana regen after every minion kill, life steal, stun, and slows.

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  174. a bunch of noobs are playing him because of his art rework and, and people are trying to pick him up when they have no previous experience with nocturne. I played with a nocturne recently who didnt know how to ult right. he pissed me off so much, im in silver so its a good reason for me to say that noobs are trying to play him.

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  175. why you nerf trynda :( why

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  176. Why MF tier 2??

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  177. WHERE IS HECARIM
    ?\ IN JUNGLE GODS

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  178. Anyway he is a nice champ but unfortunatelly he does not fit the current meta...

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  179. I had my doubts when I wrote that. Thought time would tell.
    Time indeed told us. The day this was written there's only two champions with higher percentage of lost games than Zed, when yesterday were five; he is still dropping on the ban chart and has already lost more than 1/4th of the people who played him and is coming close to 1/3rd in just over a week; biggest dive I've seen in my time playing LoL.
    Even if he got dropped to tier 1, I don't think that's quite enough.



    But who knows? Koreans might pull some sick stuff with him that could bring him back. For the rest of us mortals, I think he's pretty dead.

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  180. SSJSuntasticNovember 12, 2013

    Seems that way for sure. On the other hand, Champions like Lee and Kass have fallen into obscurity many times before, and with no apparent buffs risen from the grave just based off of their utility alone.


    He'll likely drop to Tier 2~3 next patch depending on how his win rate moves.

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  181. Jonathan AvilaNovember 13, 2013

    What are you guys' thoughts on Brand and Ahri? Are they viable and strong picks for mid lane?

    And, what do you think of Lee Sin, Vladimir, and Renekton?

    And finally, what about Blitzcrank? :)

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  182. Lol's stupid trends sucks.

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  183. I don't realy get why you boosted nida to god tier in mid tho, i deal with her pretty easly with talon zed or kha if she doesn't have sick skills.

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  184. Nicolas CageNovember 13, 2013

    Brand: He doesn't provide a whole lot of CC, but his kit's got a lot of burst and AOE damage. Great laning phase and relatively safe teamfighting. I enjoy playing Brand quite a bit, and expect to main him for a good deal of Season 4.


    Ahri: IMO, her nerfs hurt her quite a bit. Still viable, but not domineering.


    Lee Sin: He'll always be a decent champion in the right hands; his skillset gives him a ton of flexibility at all stages of the game. He's tricky to utilize very well, though.


    Vladimir: Super strong late-game, but tends to be a little underwhelming until then. Better top-lane than mid-lane, although he's matchup-dependent and his lane opponent is a major contributor to his success or lack thereof.


    Renekton: My worst position right now is top-lane, and now that he's on sale (as of the time I wrote this comment) I've decided to buy him and try and improve my top-lane through him. He's got a great laning phase, and can scale decently into the mid-game and late-game. He's a champion that, so far, I'd highly recommend. I don't have much experience with him, of course, however.


    Blitzcrank: His Rocket Grab will always have the potential to be game-changing. In the right hands and right teamcomps, he can be great. You do have to have a bit of game sense to play him, though, as grabbing the wrong person can essentially give the other team a free engage and possibly lose the match. Learn him well, and your team will appreciate it.

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  185. You wouldn't say that with Q on you..

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  186. TonyTheLiger1412November 13, 2013

    First off, Urgot is an AD carry. Second, alike to most every champion in the game, Urgot can be played in multiple positions; Vi may not be a mid, and I still play her there and do well, but that doesn't mean she should be considered a mid champion. Also, not many champions are really underpowered and difficult, and when champions take more skill than usual, this is very obvious, and taken into account when "rating" the champions; Notice that a lot of the high tier champions also require a lot more skill than usual(examples: Orianna, Zed, Lee Sin, Elise). It's not that his nerfs hurt him so bad, it's just that after being ignored for so long by Riot, pretty much every ADC now outmatches him. Nerfs and buffs do not change champion roles. They change their effectiveness when played in those roles. No matter how much they buff or nerf Vi, she won't be a mid. She can be played in mid, but her jungle game will always be better than her mid game, and her mid game is completely outmatched by the current mid champions.

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  187. TonyTheLiger1412November 13, 2013

    1.75 instant stun. No skillshots required to land it. She can do insane burst with Tibbers stun, and can gain temporary tankiness, similar to Leona.

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  188. Brian MackenzieNovember 13, 2013

    Why do you think Lucian is seeing so much play in the NACL right now? i always thought he was kind of a weak pick.

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  189. You're relying too heavily on the hyper late game potential of Nasus. It requires you to trust your teammates to not lose their lanes and get snowballed on while you seat in your island farming all game. Also it's not like Nasus is unkillable under turret with both wither and his ult. He can be shut down in lane with a help of a good jungle gank.

    Another way of looking at is - all the god tier top laners have a gap closer and hard cc, which helps in trading in laning phase as well as teamfights and room for making outplays. Nasus lacks these, so i don't think he should be god tier.

    in fact, I don't think singed should be a god tier either

    If you think a all hyper late game champions or skill-stacking champs should be god tier, maybe vayne, tristana, kogmaw, veigar, sion should be in god tier as well.

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  190. Elise not top lane god? She shits on every single champ up there with the exception of maybe 2.

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  191. No dude, the only reason I said it like that was in case other people on here were in higher divisions like gold or plat, or diamond. I don't know anyone's division that's all. AND there are noobs in EVERY division, not just bronze and silver so i am sure people can relate to what I am saying.

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  192. Nicolas CageNovember 14, 2013

    I haven't been watching the NACL, but I would assume that he's being picked for his burst damage, which is pretty good. It's the only real strength that Lucian has aside from a fair bit of mobility.

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  193. Nicolas CageNovember 14, 2013

    She doesn't fit into most popular team comps nor does she have synergy with many of the popular supports.


    When it comes to AOE damage, though, she's great.

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  194. Huzaifa KakakhailNovember 14, 2013

    Riven should be a top lane god IMO. So much utility, dueling ability. She has 2 dashes, a shield, a knock up, a stun an aoe cone and a steroid. Plus she shits on nearly every top laner. Who's with me?

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  195. TonyTheLiger1412November 14, 2013

    All of the current top lane gods counter her. She's fun, but she's not a spectacular champion. Renekton is somewhat like a better version of her. Still chases well with dashes, does good damage, has good cc, and can be tanky.

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