SEASON 3 - PATCH 3.5.1 SOLO QUEUE TIER LIST
Preface Chatter
It's been a while since my last tier list update (work sucks, never leave school!) but we're back with some tweaks to the list today.
After the updates in Patch 3.5.1, several heroes got buffed/nerfed (see below) which has led to some pretty big movements for some champions, check it out!
Buffs: Corki, Karma, Morgana, Nami, Nautilus, Quinn;
Nerfs: Akali, Kayle, Lux, Volibear;
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The Tier List
Tier 1: Rumble, Twisted Fate, Hecarim, Miss Fortune, Singed, Jarvan IV, Nidalee, Fiddlesticks, Draven, Nasus, Amumu, Zyra, Jax, Cho'gath, Lee Sin, Malphite, Kayle, Ryze, Janna, Lux, Varus, Karthus, Xin Zhao, Shen, Rammus, Volibear, Elise, Kha'Zix, Graves, Blitzcrank, Taric, Thresh, Sona
Tier 2: Nautilus, Darius, Vi, Akali, Garen, Kassadin, Zac, Shaco, Twitch, Katarina, Ashe, Ezreal, Vladimir, Nocturne, Wukong, Evelynn, Orianna, Diana, Sejuani, Caitlyn, Vayne, Talon, Maokai, Swain, Leona, Morgana, Pantheon, Jayce, Lulu, Irelia, Renekton, Zed, Riven, Ahri, Tristana, Kennen, Udyr, Anivia, Tryndamere, Kog'Maw, Teemo
Tier 3: Cassiopeia, Yorick, Fizz, Master Yi, Xerath, Corki, Dr. Mundo, Sivir, Malzahar, Quinn, Annie, Gangplank, Mordekaiser, Brand, Sion, Gragas, Soraka, Skarner, Nunu, Galio, Syndra, Viktor, Fiora, Olaf, Poppy, Warwick, Nami, Shyvana
Tier 4: Zilean, Rengar, Alistar, Veigar, Karma, Urgot, Ziggs, Trundle, Heimerdinger, Leblanc
- Heroes in BOLD I will talk about shortly
- Heroes in Italics may be over/undervalued, but aren't/haven't played enough for me to make a better judgement.
- Within each tier the champions are strongest from left to right, but within a tier each champion's strength is relatively close. This is especially true for Tiers 2 and 3 where these heroes are ALL highly playable and player dependent on how strong they are in-game.
Hero Explanations
- Alistar - Once in a blue moon I see a good Alistar that dominates his lane. Unfortunately, he's really an all-or-nothing champion and more often than not...it's nothing.
- Akali - Akali's nerfs seem to be hitting her harder than expected, and she's not nearly the faceroll champion she as before.
- Caitlyn - I'm not sure why people insist on playing so much Caitlyn. She's a simple AD carry yes, but there are more rewarding choices out there.
- Corki - I think his buffs were pretty good, but they definitely helped the already good Corki players rather than upgrading his entire kit.
- Darius - He's just not the powerhouse he used to be. In lane 1v1 he's still very strong, but he's got his counters and it's harder to just faceroll your way to victory.
- Draven - So....strong...
- Fiora - Okay so I admit I was a little rough on Fiora, she's still pretty bad in my book, but she probably deserves at least a Tier 3 rating with a solid 50% win rate. Tier 2 would be pushing it though.
- Janna - Janna's amazingly strong right now, her kit's always been good, but when Taric could kill her in one combo she wasn't terrible amazing when she couldn't cast any spells. Now that she's got a bigger margin of survival, she's back to making sick plays and providing an annoyingly strong global passive.
- Karma - Pulled the trigger on the Karma buff too soon. She's still pretty bad...need a few more buffs to bring her up.
- Kassadin: Since the release of seekeer's armguard has brought AP mages back into play, I think Kassadin also got an indirect buff.
- Nasus - Not much to say about Nasus, he's very very strong right now.
- Nautilus - The buffs last patch did a pretty decent job bringing Nautilus back into play, and he's definitely proving it by his win rate. This, plus the fact that most people aren't used to playing against him anymore gives him a strong performance.
- Olaf - Poor guy, he's almost unplayable at the moment. If you don't get fed in your lane, it's almost impossible to do your job correctly now, which is to run through everything and kill the squishies. It's like hitting a brick wall and falling down now.
- Quinn - Quinn may have more to offer than we first believed, I'm going to go with she's secret OP right now...just wait for a few more nerfs (to Draven...)
- Sejuani - Sejuani's always been one of those overlooked champions, she's definitely got quite a bit to offer, but her playstyle is a little different from what most people are used to.
- Teemo - Teemo's never going away....also, AP teemo is annoyingly strong still, I think nerfs are due again just due to anti-fun.
- Vi - Vi's nerfs are hitting her pretty hard and her winrate reflects that.
- Zac: (edited) He's definitely very strong right now, and his ult is a great disrupter in teamfights. He's naturally very tanky, and I think that his passive is super annoying in a teamfight since if Zac's team can follow up on his death, it's almost impossible to target down all his blobs without dying to his allies.
- The purpose of this list is for discussion and to provide a starting point for hero selection.
First, which Teemo is better? Lich Bane Teemo or AS Teemo?
ReplyDeleteTeemo's one of those champions that benefits from being able to change his playstyle depending on what the matchup is.
ReplyDeleteAP Teemo's not even viable in high-ELO with coordinated teams. When's the last time you've seen him in a tournament? Still I agree that he's the bottom of Tier 2.
ReplyDeleteSinged, easily bottom of Tier 1 or top of Tier 2 after heavy nerfs. Winrate dropped 7% across the ELO board.
Nasus, yes but his wither will get nerfed.
Ryze, still absurd to put him in the middle of Tier 1 especially after Muramana is no longer viable and Seraph's got a small nerf too. http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=3151119 His farming problems and weak early game/lack of escapes make him especially weak in solo Q.
Cass, easily tier 2 and was used in LCS even.
Alistar... controversial to be in Tier 4 but I agree for solo Q.
Nautilus, bottom of Tier 1 imo. Great utility!
Fiddlesticks, bottom of Tier 1... needs tanky team, completely blue dependent, wants a mid that isn't... too many team dependent factors and squishy as hell...
Gragas, Xerath & Malzahar are underrated.
I disagree so much in Tier 2 ordering that it's not even worth commenting.
Hi Sun Funpan,
ReplyDeleteTeemo's still good 1v1 against the majority of champs, which does well in uncoordinated solo queue.
Singed still has the 5th highest overall winrate of any champion, and is absurdly easy to do well with even after losing lane.
Ryze is a staple and plays very consistently with high damage and tankiness. I think he still deserves a high spot for his effort to damage ratio.
Cass is extremely skill oriented; a good cass will be good, a bad cass will be useless, and an average cass will likely perform worse than an average Anivia.
Gragas, Xerath, and Malzahar are indeed very underplayed, but other champions give similar strength for far less effort.
Tier 2's middle section is all pretty even, fact of the matter is 99% of the champions in solo queue have between a 45 to a 55% win ratio, and it's more match-up based than anything for Tier 2 champions.
I would split up Tier 2 further into two tiers, but then I get a lot of why is Wukong Irelia Renekton Riven Pantheon Jayce Darius higher than xxxxx. Much easier just to say they're all very similar, can all carry a game, and depend more on the game flow.
I would like to talk about Thresh for a second. Now I know that he's tier 1 and currently the second best rated support, but I still think it's too low. He currently sports a 72% ban rate(which is outrageous), and when he isn't banned, he wins his lane 90% of the time(this is an educated guess based on my experience). I'm no expert, but truly believe Thresh should be a top 5 champion.
ReplyDeleteOn a side note, I think Karma should be last. Urgot, Ziggs, and LB at least see LCS play, no one will even touch Karma.
ReplyDeleteHaha...just trying to give her the benefit of the doubt since she was recently buffed :P
ReplyDeleteAs SSJ says it depend on what the team need
ReplyDeleteLich Bane build = Burst AP
AS Teemo = Hybrid + DoTs (I think AS Teemo is more oriented for a Bruiser Teemo)
Up to you!
If i have to set a rank of difficulty between AD's (In order croissant from easier to harder)
Easy: Caitlyn, MF, Varus, Ashe, Sivir
Medium: Vayne, Tristana, Graves, Corki
Hard: Ezreal, Urgot, Draven
Ofc its my honest opinion!
You missed Kassidin in the talk about section.
ReplyDeleteTeemo is a little rat. Nerf the Teemo.
Still don't know why Darius is so high and why you had him so high so long. His strong when played correctly, but his far from unbeatable. He kinda is anti fun, not Teemo or Blitzcrank level of anti fun, but at least his anti fun in a way that you can beat him if you do it right.
Personal thought though, he never seemed nearly as OP as everyone claimed and his Ult was strong but in team fights it wasn't as dangerous as everyone said unless they all clustered up and let themselves get down to 15% of their health. If they did that, Darius wasn't their problem then lol.
Opinion on Talon atm?
ReplyDeleteYeah, that's much better Fiora placement! xD
ReplyDeleteAnyway, Karma... I forgot what version she is on live but she's pretty strong on PBE with a 24 second mantra CDR and 60% movement from her E
Riot has been buffing her a lot, and strangely also Quinn. I can't wait for those changes to go live, I would love to mid with Karma, because I feel like she benefits the same way as Lux in being safe in lane and pumping out damage late game.
Also I think Nami is too high - she does the least damage of any champion, and has the lowest win rate of any support. She could quite honestly be tier 4.
ReplyDeleteand I really hope to see what happens to Karma after these buffs do to live, because her PBE buffs were somewhat good and I know riot made a red post about how she is indeed still weak, so I'm looking forward to her future.
Could you please go into more detail as to why Sejuani is (so far) below other junglers that do kinda the same (Tanky, good initiate and CC beast)? Hecarim, Jarvan, Volibear, Rammus.
ReplyDeleteI've been wanting to pick her up since i like the easy initiate and ver very hard CC she brings (is there any champ with more CC in this game than her?)
Maybe you will make a jungle tier list or "when to pick what jungler" someday. Because laning is often just looking at the tier list, check T1 and T2 select a counter from that to play. But its harder to pick a fitting jungler imo
@ Sun Funpan: a general reason why some of these champions are where they are is that they are A) highly skillshot dependant (miss or get flashed and lose) B) Glass canons (if the enemies build tank or when they initiate on you, you are screwed) C) to team dependent (if you champs relies too much on what other people do you will need luck to win) > not consistent or just bad
That's why Ryze is so high, cass, xerath and malza are lower.
My general thoughts;
Fiddlesticks too high. Really just wards and some MR and you are fine. If you see the enemy team pick fiddle pick something with a silence. If he ults into you just silence :p No Zhonya no fear no silence from him = dead fiddle.
Jax: a bit too high. I dont think anyone has discovered how to make jax work in most games to justify this spot
Cho: too high i don't feel cho is that consistent in lane. Also you msis your Q alot :( I think there are better CC tanks out there.
Also last week i was up against a Tiger Stance Udyr top; if the PBE changes go through i will pick him up against cause he will be Tier 1 material for sure in the top lane.
I Honestly think Orianna should be top of tier 2. She is incredibly easy to farm with, provides a huge amount of utility and damage and can turn the tides of a game with one ulti. Yes her skills are on the more difficult side to execute, but If a player in mid-high elo chooses her, its likely that they know how to execute properly. Nautilus and perhaps Darius are the only other tier 2 champs That I can see provide nearly the same.
ReplyDeleteI feel the same about Nami, But you have given her more thought than myself it seems.
Agree because Ori is amazing. She's tier one to me.
ReplyDeleteTo all those that keep trying to change the list, think of this list as a measure of how easy it is to win with the champ.
ReplyDeleteSkill is a great thing to have when you play, obviously, but the champs in teir 1, I feel, are super easy to use.
Take rumble for example
I played a game where I had to take a mid and I got FACEROLLED. In fact, both top and my lane were just destroyed. Bot lane barely held on as we lost turret after turret.
And then, the weirdest thing happened.
We get into an engangment and I fire my ult, then miss fortune fires her ult. We get an ace without losing a single member and kill a turret, an inhib, the base towers and win. You can't do that with Orrianna or Darius or Karma or Sej, and if you say "Oh skill and stuff :P" then you're really missing the point.
I DON'T main Rumble at all, Hell, I don't even play him that often. But when you play a game and just win even when absolutely behind with only an inkling of understanding in how a champ works, then that says something and that's why these teirs exist.
Do you realize that it's just one man's opinion and we could just as easily call your list pathetic? It's all in the eye of the beholder so chill out, ffs.
ReplyDeleteNautilus got more CC and is faster and stronger in early lvl......I played Sejuani and think she is to weak in the jungle untill she got some items // so im happy about the rework comming in soon
ReplyDeleteand I think his list is good too.
ReplyDeleteI say Caitlyn is played a lot because she has the farthest normal range out all the ADCs. When paired with a big cc champ like Alistar for example, she can be scary
ReplyDeleteAre we ever gonna see a caitlyn nerf? I really thought it was gonna happen back when her and nunu were rolling shit but nooo they take it out of the yeti. Just wondering since you dont seem to threat her much but id really like to see her base dmg nerfed or something...damn auto attack seems stronger then most abilities
ReplyDeleteI think this tier list accounts for difficulty of play vs reward. When an average player can easily miss a shockwave in a crucial moment and lose the game for example...
ReplyDeleteGood point. Especially since Ryze is a mid/late game hero.
ReplyDeleteTier 2 isn't "unbeatable" though...
ReplyDeleteI think he's too easily countered with QSS.
ReplyDeleteYeah but if you look at lolking and elophant stats, Sej SOMEHOW has an absurd win rate this week. Someone discovered SOMETHING... inquiring minds just gotta know.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think about Riven?
ReplyDeleteI saving for a 6300 champ and I can't decide betweet Darius, Riven or Vi.
Good point. Forgot about that haha
ReplyDeleteRiven is not getting price decreased? I think i heard so..
ReplyDeleteIf you like to play Top > Darius>Riven (Riven need to snowball and fall in late game...)
ReplyDeleteIf you like to play Jungle > Vi
I don't get it...if you get in her range ofc she will poke you!
ReplyDeleteYou need to know Cait is one of the strongest if not THE one from best adc early game...but she is one of the worst late game.
Hahaha please do stand up comedy man because you are just hilarious!
ReplyDeleteShe is indeed but only in premade i often compare Orianna with Lux they got both very similar skillset but Orianna is too oriented utility mostly her ultimate!
ReplyDeleteThats the reason Lux stand above Orianna in SoloQ in term of perf :(
I'm looking for a fun and effective character. While I've heard about Darius is really OP he's kinda boring while Riven is almost ALMOST as good but way more fun to play. I haven't played neither of them yet if they've been free before.
ReplyDeleteeve mid or jungle tier 2 ? ^^
ReplyDeleteYeah, but that'll be for the 6th new champion released this year. In other words, in a looooong time.
ReplyDeleteOpinion on Fiddlesticks?
ReplyDeleteI heard Sejuani is getting reworked? Should i wait to get her then? I just started playing last week and she's been the one i've wanted the most lol.
ReplyDeleteIf you buy her before her rework you get a free skin.
ReplyDeleteof her? or anyone?
ReplyDeleteXin Zhao and Rammus moved to tier 1? Is the reason because some champs recieved nerfs or because you saw their potential?
ReplyDeleteDid you read about my hecarim question? Cause if you answered.. i completely forgot about checking it if you answered.. can you put it down for me again pretty please? :D
My question is that can you explain why Hecarim is so strong right now?
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Will Jayce get a tier increase? He's showing some potential in the LCS and I don't see and downside to his kit except that he has no real escape and he is naturally squishy.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the reason ashe is higher than vayne ? Vayne can even sololane, and faceroll common melee tops.
ReplyDeleteI agree with the rest of the tier placement, but I am curious as to why Veigar is in the bottom tier. Is he the best ap carry? Certainly not. But I think he has more potential than tier 4. Not only does he have the highest single target damage output, but even if he is completely underleveled and unfed, you can still make a huge difference with his stun.
ReplyDeleteAlso I think it is very strong, if used in the correct way ^^, her ganks post 6 are fantastic.
ReplyDeleteSinged had recieved nerfs and secret BUFFS ;)
ReplyDeleteHi I'm new to LOL and have decided to pick Nidalee as one of my mains...among others. Just wondering what build you are ranking Nid top ten for? Is it AP where I need pro spears or for AD/bruiser build....thx
ReplyDeleteWell to give you an idea i just miss most of the last champion out like Syndra Quinn and Zac Zed you need to have fun playing your champ indeed but also in term of effective you have to know that riven late game is kinda weird and she can almost if not turn completely useless!
ReplyDeleteIf you really need a top and want to enjoy yourself then go for Riven :)
They both have Slow AoE
ReplyDeleteThey both have Shield in their skillset
They both have 2 CC's at least (Lux > Root/Slow Ori>Slow/Knock)
They both are the most reputated AP with utilities for team mates.(and why on paper premade sets Orianna Win in soloQ Lux Win...simply because Lux is more damage output oriented and Orianna utilities.
Similar doesnt obligatory mean "Same" but more "Look alike"
Unfortunately you need to differ Soloplays and Teamplays Jayce always had a strong potential but not in SoloQ Tier List since there are other champions capable of reboot most jayce players and/or even if jayce win the late game doesnt go in his favor :(
ReplyDeleteI will let SSJ answer that one for you (im curious of what you think) but it has been 2weeks or so i making plays with him in the jungle (im tired of Jarv Vi Xin) and playing with it and against it he is just ridiculously insane in his AoE Damage his sort of CC from E and R and mostly one of the highest mobility jungler of this game!
ReplyDeleteA good Hecarim can shake most lanes in his favor most like good tresh can have the best impact in a team fight!
I advice you to check some Xj9 games :)
Well i got some problem understanding you here but i guess you are asking where Nidalee is getting in the Top 10 Tier1 ? Mid or Bruiser(Top) ?
ReplyDeletein fact SSJ replied to me about most champions including this one saying in both Mid and Top!
I just kinda disagree on the bruiser part with him since RIOT nerfed the cougar form offering no more resistance which is kinda SAD but everything else still he same and a good player can make INSANE moves with dat sexy champ :)
and windaeris that is how you get shit on.....well done dave dos santos well done.
ReplyDeleteFirst im David not Dave and second im not gonna shit on something or someone lol!
ReplyDeleteCan you comment on zyra tier 1. Im guessing you mean support. Is she that good? Dont see her that much anymore. Does a utility dmg support really fair better than a regualr one like taric or sona? Halp?
ReplyDeleteAshe has some very favorable stats and can win most trades, so she's very strong at the moment. Vayne late game is still the scariest late game ever, but her laning phase can be very rough against players against even skill.
ReplyDeleteVeigar late game is indeed very strong, but most people know better than to let him survive. He's very squishy in that regard, and if the enemy team is careful there's a lot of maneuver room to never touch his stun.
ReplyDeleteIt's not so much as a support in lane that she fares better, but she brings a lot more to offer in terms of utility. While Taric can catch an enemy team off guard and Sona can catch a bunch of them off guard, Zyra can do it every few seconds as her main spell along with an AOE knockup. Her damage is also very favorable since she just needs levels.
ReplyDeleteShe's better AP mid though. Lol.
ReplyDeletePardon Dave?
ReplyDeleteIIRC it is a tier list which prioritises Champion consistency. Due to the difficulty of hitting her skillshots, I think she should be top of tier 2.
ReplyDeleteI really enjoy this tier list. I would change a few things around but overall it seems pretty accurate. I'm a bit suprised at your how high you have jax and lee sin. They haven't seemed quite as strong to me this season as the last one.
ReplyDeleteHi Leo, I think Riven is very good and she's also super fun to play. If you're going to pick Riven I think you'll need a tanky, AOE oriented jungler though since Riven's most effective as a damage dealer.
ReplyDeleteHi Karl, he may...his kit has always been very strong, and as other champions who can beat him get nerfed and champions he counters get buffed to the point of common play, he's definitely always going to be a threat.
ReplyDeleteHi Dmac, as David mentioned Nidalee used to be super strong both top and mid, but after the cougar nerfed I'd say she's only Tier 1 as an AP champion now. Her poke is just so ridiculously strong that a teamfight can turn around at any moment.
ReplyDeleteThis is true, Zyra's definitely stronger as an AP mid, but I think she's more situational depending on the enemy mid.
ReplyDeleteThanks Nathan, it's always a work in process. It's not easy to sort out over 100 champions into 4 tiers but I try my best.
ReplyDeleteJax has an insane late game, and doesn't pay for it with a weak early or mid game at all. His only issue is that his burst makes him give up his escape mechanisms and his early mana may have some issues, but otherwise with some good warding and a mana pot or two he's extremely deadly in the right hands.
Lee Sin will always be strong if not for his utility throughout the game, but for the sheer fact that in solo queue, games can end with a couple early ganks and some demoralized team synergy. Lee of course, excels at that with his obnoxiously strong level 3 combo.
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ReplyDeleteYeah, I guess I over-looked it.
ReplyDeleteI overrate Ori a lot since she's my current favorite mid lane.
I think he's fun as a tank precisely because even though he has no "real" tanking skills he gets focused in solo queue a lot because of fear of getting dunked. It's like Teemo's "global taunt".
ReplyDeleteWindAeris im not looking to take you down with Ori i also like to play her and my main is mostly Twisted Fate...(and for over 3years when previously Twisted Fate was played AD and not AP)
ReplyDeleteDo not change your habbits because of what i said its pity that there is not enough people playing it well just like many other picks like Syndra...
I mostly win my trades mid against Orianna but it happened to me once this season i faced a really great Orianna player! she just WREQ'ed me so hard...I gave her all my respect for that !
Everybody is trying to play TF or Lux lately but only a very few plays it well...
I don't know you Elo but the presence of a Orianna in Gold Divisons or above must be great even better than TF or Lux since people start to play even more safe there and the under leagues...
Hope you don't lose faith with Ori :)
Cheers!
I used to underestimate her but then i did a Pentakill and i loved her! ^_^
ReplyDeleteI won't lose faith with Ori, she's still a great champion. I do well with her, and I like to use her because I feel like I can help my team the best with her - in team fights and with ganking.
ReplyDeleteI see so many bad Ori players though, and you're right -- good ones are rare.
Keep on with that TF, bro!
So is the tier 1 for mid or support. I was led to believe her mid wasnt good and shes main support now. I dont know much about her clearly but wanna buy her for dem plants
ReplyDeleteIm going up and up with him )
ReplyDeleteWhy is yi t3!?!? ANSWER ME!
ReplyDeleteTier 3: These heroes can still do very well, but tend to need a little more snowballing to get rolling. Even if they get an early lead, it's still very possible to turn the tides on them with just a mistake or two.
ReplyDeleteYi is weak vs hard CC's champions early he can do well mid too but in general if the CC's goes on Yi during the mid/late game phase then he will just turn useless...
Hi. :) I just wanna know what's the advantage of hecarim than volibear to have a higher spot in the Tier List?
ReplyDeleteFantastic Job on the Tier List.. your list seems the most reliable on the internet that I could find.
In term of map presence its a close call but Volibear tend to be very single target champion when Hecarim is more AoE !
ReplyDeleteAfter i think Hecarim has a way better clear jungle speed than volibear since the point mention above...
stop theory crafting and go play more. richard respond!
ReplyDeleteLOL. Even if richard or david is the one to respond.. that will be the answer you're gonna get from both of them. Add the fact that Melee AD Carries are easy to counter.
ReplyDeleteLet her...trying to help with an answer that make sense but what did i expect from the form of the original question :/
ReplyDeleteJust one thing Karl Yi has only one offensive skill which can be used for AD since the 1st and 2nd spell are pure AP...He is only super strong as AD late game.
Excellent recap from LCS Spring made by dignitas!
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I think Renekton & Zed should get a up in your tier list!
ReplyDeleteThey deserve maybe not any position in Tier 1 but at least higher in Tier 2!
What about LeBlanc? why is she Tier 4? ... im thinking of buying her, coments??
ReplyDeletePlease answer my leblanc question x)
ReplyDeleteLeBlanc just tends to fall off too hard, and the way she operates tends to not give any assists to allied champions. This means that once she's focused down things tend to sour fast. Of course some people are so good at leblanc that this never happens, but she's an extremely niche champion at the moment.
ReplyDeleteHi Karl, Hecarim's just got much more utility and late game damage. Everything he does later on makes Volibear look tiny in comparison; Hecarim's AOE, CC, and Tankiness all have a better end-game than Volibear.
ReplyDeleteI think SSJ said the most important about the reason why she is Tier 4 she has the same basic mechanism as Veigar sort of...the famous combo Q + R !
ReplyDeleteSSJ did well to put it Tier 4 since she belongs to those champions that are pretty good early and extremly powerful mid game but after 35-40mins...
She just goes down really hard :( at this point of the game she can try her best to take down the ADC for exemple but mostly she will have to use all her spells and if she failed...well she can pretty much throw her team down even if the attempt was great! and even if it works its almost the same scenario she has to go back in the team fight and leave the rest for her team and if they fail then so do you....
I recommend you to really play her a lot before even thinking going SoloQ with her ! There is nothing better than a self exercise to understand what SSJ or i tried to tell you!
Cheers!
There is a small mistake. I should be in tier 1, not tier 4.
ReplyDeleteHow about a no?
ReplyDeleteHi There.
ReplyDeleteIm asking advice here. Im having trouble with elo and currently stuck in Bronze. Of all the champions i own i dont feel that desire to play one. Im basically looking for a staple champion to help me get out of Bronze. I have MS Quints AD Quints Armor Seals Magic Resist (flat) Glyphs and Magic pen and armor pen. marks. I would like a champion that is not super tanky and not super damagey but instead combines the two in good balance. I prefer to steer away from the super mainstream champs like the Flavors of the Month and such. I would prefer a mid or top lane. I am willing to spend money on any champ and spend considerable time to learn it but i just want the champ i learn to be worth it. Rather than picking up someone like Karma and Urgot and then realising that no matter how much you play him he will still suck in soloqueue.
Ive been considering Pantheon, Mordekaiser and Swain lately as they combine solid survivability with a good staple damage. What is your opinion on these champs? and do you have any champs suggestion based on my preferences, maybe the champ you used to help climb elo?
I would love you forever if you would read my stupid question and wall of text and reply.
Dear AlexV,
ReplyDeleteLet me tell you one thing from experience.
You cannot let someone telling you what to play to climb elo!
You need to understand most of all how to play and like what you are playing!
After the champion ofc if you play a Tier3 or 4 champions you can still do well but the occasion are rare since those champion lack in something or somethings to contribute in the best probability to win!
Its like you take away the Teleport from TF or the Shield from Lux or the Spear from Nidalee ...they will turn Tier 2 or 3 for sure!
Pantheon can be good but request a good player if you are decided to raise your elo up you also need to know your enemy since he is a very agressive type of champion and by playing it good you would be up by winning 60 to 70% of your games.
Same for Swain.
About Mordekaiser its a way more risky pick since his late game potential depends most of the time on how you and your team will handle the decisives team fight if you take the ADC out and survive you get the win if anything different you can be sure its a lost except if you got great mates which in Bronze League its like winning at lottery it happen once every 20 fullmoons. :)
Hope i helped you out !
Cheers!
Quiet you inferior human. Is that any way to talk to an esteemed yordle professor like me?
ReplyDeletewhy is yorick so low on tiers? i was under the impression he is top king and i have won about 20 out of 27 games using him. i almost never lose top lane with yorick.
ReplyDeleteI personally think Xerath is extremely underrated, he has a fairly strong laning phase, and great synergy with the jungler. In team fights, he acts fairly similar to a lux, he blows someone up from afar, due to him not being the easiest champion to play, I agree on him not being in teir 1, but he's incredibly strong, and I don't see him as being teir 3. Combine that with being very hard to counter, I find it odd you consider him so weak.
ReplyDeleteThe only problem that I have with Janna, is that she's so squishy, she can easily get 100-0'd by a support elise, or chunked heavily by a support lux, or zyra, even fiddle support really screws her game. Any of the 'less conventional' supports give her really big problems. Which is why I consider her slightly less strong in blind pick.
Also, have you tried Corki with spirit of the elder lizard? He's incredibly strong, if you can stall for a few large items as Corki, you are one of the strongest ADC'S.
Olaf isn't teir 3, he's low teir 4. Lowest winrate in the game, and even if your fed you can't do your job, he was nerfed to the point of people unplayable.
Since Yorick late game is pretty dependent of his team (mostly his AD Carry)
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Hi zepple, I actually haven't tried that on Corki, he's never been a smooth ADC for me to pick up, so I try not to play him except when he's overpowered.
ReplyDeleteIt's true that olaf's got an abyssmal win rate, but every time I have one on my team he seems to do decently...but can't argue with statistics o.o
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