SEASON 3 - PATCH 3.0.5 SOLO QUEUE TIER LIST
Preface Chatter
Lots of movement in this tier list! It's gonna be a doozy!
Just to remind you guys, Tier 4 champions aren't necessarily bad (for the most part) and they can still do very well. The problem is, they either aren't as consistent as other champions, or can do well during the game but have poor scaling and/or presence later on.
Tier 4 dwindles ever smaller...Riot's been doing a good job balancing!
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The Tier List
Tier 1: Rumble, Twisted Fate, Amumu, Hecarim, Miss Fortune, Elise, Singed, Jarvan IV, Nidalee, Fiddlesticks, Draven, Zyra, Jax, Shen, Darius, Blitzcrank, Sona, Cho'gath, Vi, Lee Sin, Malphite, Karthus, Nasus, Volibear, Graves, Ezreal, Kayle, Ryze, Lux, Akali, Xin Zhao, Garen, Kha'Zix, Taric, Thresh
Tier 2: Rammus, Shaco, Twitch, Katarina, Varus, Vladimir, Nocturne, Evelynn, Orianna, Diana, Caitlyn, Vayne, Talon, Maokai, Kassadin, Swain, Leona, Janna, Pantheon, Jayce, Lulu, Wukong, Irelia, Renekton, Zed, Riven, Olaf, Ahri, Karma, Morgana, Nautilus, Tristana, Kennen, Udyr, Anivia, Kog'Maw
Tier 3: Zac, Cassiopeia, Tryndamere, Yorick, Sejuani, Fizz, Master Yi, Xerath, Teemo, Dr. Mundo, Sivir, Malzahar, Annie, Gangplank, Quinn, Ashe, Corki, Mordekaiser, Brand, Sion, Gragas, Soraka, Skarner, Nunu, Galio, Syndra, Viktor, Poppy, Warwick, Shyvana
Tier 4: Zilean, Rengar, Alistar, Veigar, Nami, Urgot, Heimerdinger, Ziggs, Trundle, Leblanc, Fiora
- Heroes in BOLD I will talk about shortly
- Heroes in Italics may be over/undervalued, but aren't/haven't played enough for me to make a better judgement.
- Within each tier the champions are strongest from left to right, but within a tier each champion's strength is relatively close. This is especially true for Tiers 2 and 3 where these heroes are ALL highly playable and player dependent on how strong they are in-game.
Hero Explanations
- Draven - Draven may well be the strongest AD carry in laning phase right now. The only reason he's not placed above Miss Fortune is because her teamfighting potential is still insane.
- Gangplank - Ever since the nerfs to a lot of popular top laners, Gangplank started coming back into style. The new elemental items synergize well with him, and his strategy is still very basic and effective.
- Karma - I think the new rendition of Karma is very strong. I think her support is still subpar at best, probably a little above Nami, but her AP mid is pretty beast at the moment. Once people get the hang of her skills I suspect we'll see her a lot more.
- Lux - Lux is currently one of the strongest AP mids due to her extremely spammable skills and CCs. She's very similar to Twisted Fate in this regard, except her spells are stronger (but a little harder to land)
- Nami - Lots of people have been complaining about Nami's placement, and she's definitely a very strong hero if you're good at her. On the other hand, most Nami's I've seen tend to miss their CC at the most crucial moment, hence her having the lowest win rate of any support. If your ad carry cannot rely on you to stop an enemy during a battle, then you're not doing your job as support very well.
- Nasus - Jungle Nasus is the current FOTM jungler at the moment, and his cripple is absolutely devestating as usual. Jungling Nasus also allows him to maximize his E armor pen, which synergizes very well with the AD heavy meta of today.
- Poppy - Poppy does more than I give her credit for, hence her swap up from Tier 4. She's got a very specific job that she does very well. It's simply difficult for a lot of team compositions to cope with being down a peeler.
- Rammus - Rammus is very very strong right now after the nerfs to other junglers. He's still extremely fast, and with most junglers playing AD roles and many running berserker greaves instead of merc treads, Rammus is not to be trifled with. Homeguard boots also make his precence in the game very strong.
- Rumble - Nerfs did nothing. Can't trade with him in lane, can't run from him, can't force a fight without killing him, can't kill him.
- Ryze - Ryze is currently very strong, especially as other AP champions were nerfed.
- Sejuani - Sejuani's actually in a decent place right now, and continuously getting moved up as Riot nerfs all the other junglers.
- Shaco - Shaco's not as strong as he was before for the majority of players. His following is very small, but those who play him still play him very well. For others, we'll never understand the ways of the Korean Shaco.
- Singed - I was too hasty on the Singed nerfs; he's still got the same strategy and his damage wasn't affected all that much. He's still able to be a massive threat even after losing lane horribly...what else can you ask for in a champion as easy as this?
- Taric - Taric's been "suffering" after his nerfs. He's still very strong, but you have to know when to trade now instead of before where if you got the first hit off you could win every trade off against every lane.
- Thresh - You Thresh lovers are going to love this one. I think the general community has finally gotten the hang of using his lantern and his skills, and as evidence his winrate has finally climbed above 50%.
- Trundle - Trundle's still a very situational pick in my eyes. He's very easy to play and definitely got some unique aspects to him that give him the element of surprise, but he's still lacking in precence unless he gets fed, as evidenced by him still having one of the lowest win rates in solo queue.
- Vayne - Even with the blade of the ruined king nerf, Vayne is starting to make a comeback as Riot nerfs all her worst enemies...
- Volibear - Volibear is extremely strong right now, and I think that Volibear, Jarvan, and Nasus make up the current Triumverate to replace Hecarim (who's always banned), Vi, and Xin Zhao.
- Zac - Still a little early to say. I see XJ9 doing very well with him, but otherwise he seems pretty average and playable to me, but not anything overwhelming.
- The purpose of this list is for discussion and to provide a starting point for hero selection.
As I understand it, Rumble's Ultimate wasn't really nerfed so much as tweaked. They removed the flat initial damage but boosted the damage over time, so throughout its duration it still does the same amount of damage. I don't see how this could really inhibit him at all since the skill really just requires slightly better placement now, and thats not hard to do. lol
ReplyDeleteZilean is, as a lot of people say, hidden op right now. Zero skill shots, one of the best lane phase and mid game passives in the game, huge poke, and a great game breaking ult. While he's certainly not tier 1, I think tier 4 is too low for him. I think the problem is that no one plays him.
ReplyDeleteGreat Tier List SSJ! (maybe one of the best since i got to know your blog :))
ReplyDeleteI think there should be something needed which should help a lot your confused readers (mostly new ones)
Here is the list which if you could answer, would be awesome!
Jarvan IV Tier 1 Top? Jungle? (IMO Jungle)
Elise
Tier 1 Top? Jungle?
(IMO Top)
Jax
Tier 1 Top? Jungle?
(IMO Top)
Shen Tier 1 Top? Jungle?
Cho'gath Tier 1 Top? Jungle?
Vi Tier 1 Top? Jungle?
(IMO Jungle)
Lee Sin Tier 1 Top? Jungle?
(IMO Jungle)
Malphite Tier 1 Top? Jungle?
Nasus Tier 1 Top? Jungle?
(IMO Top)
Volibear Tier 1 Top? Jungle?
Xin Zhao Tier 1 Top? Jungle?
(IMO Jungle)
Kha'Zix Tier 1 Top? Jungle? Mid?
(IMO Jungle)
Nidalee Tier 1 Top? Mid?
(IMO Mid)
Zyra
Tier 1 Support? Mid?
(IMO Mid)
Kayle
Tier 1 Support? Mid? Top? Jungle?
(IMO Mid)
Akali
Tier 1 Mid? Top?
(IMO Mid)
I think it cover pretty much most common question of people pretty new to your blog :)
I know you judge on champion skillset/impact/difficulty of gameplay/etc... but i believe there are skillset which cannot do great in both area, do you agree?
I think there are some improvement on the display of the tier list that can be done! the analyse is pretty solid ;)
if you think singed suffers early game, try getting wraiths or wolves in the beginning and therefore getting up in level faster. . . once in lane you'll level up after killing 1 or 2 creeps and after that the enemy champ can't win trades against e q combo you can thereby zone him easily
ReplyDeletePS: don't forget a ward when doing so
Singed has a stronger early game now. There was a bug that the poison only ticks twice. After the patch it now ticks thrice. Singed has more damage now. He has a better early game now IMO
ReplyDeleteYeah, can only agree with thresh and draven... Just ran that lane with my brother and went 10/1/10, and damn it was my first game as Draven too!
ReplyDeletewhat about Udyr? Last patch have made him a very good jungler. And a great teamfight initiator.
ReplyDeleteThat's quite the hefty list of questions you have there David, let's see if I can get through it.
ReplyDeleteJarvan - Jungle
Elise - Everywhere
Jax - Top
Shen - Top
Cho - Both
Vi - Jungle
Lee - Jungle
Malphite - Top
Nasus - Both, Jungle FOTM
Volibear - Jungle
Xin Zhao - Jungle
Kha'Zix - Mid
Nidalee - Both
Zyra - Both
Kayle - Mid/Top
Akali - Mid/Top
Some champions are valuable because of their versatility and ability to do well in multiple roles (like Cho). For the most part their alternate roles are all pretty close to their primary one in terms of strength.
Volibear's clearspeed is actually pretty decent after the attack speed buff they gave him a few patches ago.
He's been in Tier 1 for a while now, his utility is still very good, and while he's not a dominant AD carry at the moment he's still a very "safe" pick for solo queue because of his survivability.
ReplyDeleteYes, their jungle is Tier 1 at the moment. Laning is pretty decent as well, but I think it depends more on match-up.
ReplyDeleteI think Udyr's definitely better now, but with the simultaneous nerf on the Spirit of the Elder Lizard I'm not sure if it's made him that much better. I feel that he's still pretty one-dimensional, but I guess he'll move up slightly as people start playing him more.
ReplyDeleteWith a 1% play rate it's really hard to say how good Zilean is right now. Only the people that are good at him play him, and he's still got a very subpar win rate.
ReplyDeleteI'm having a tough time putting Janna as Tier 1, even though I do notice that her win rate is through the roof at the moment. I think she's definitely very strong right now, but need to see what's going on before I can move her up to TIer 1 as a support.
ReplyDeleteThe reason Ryze's win rate is so slow is because his pick rate is so high. Cho also has a 48% win rate but he's certainly Tier 1 as well. Ryze has an extremely strong lane presence, gives junglers a strong possibility for a kill, and is great for ganking lanes.
ReplyDeleteI think that running TP on Ryze along with a few nerfs to other champions is starting to bring him back into OP status. While he's not at a bannable status, I think that keeping him in Tier 2 is too harsh for how hard he carries.
not really if you think about it you can see that if people stay in rumble's ult for the whole duration on both patches they do the same damage but on a short time interval the old patch is much better since it will do a bigger burst damage and that on the new patch you need to have people stay in your ult to compensate that damage potential.
ReplyDeleteother than that you can no longer baron steal or dragon steal as easy as before since there is no burst.
here is a graph to show you the difference http://fooplot.com/#W3sidHlwZSI6MCwiZXEiOiIyNDB4IiwiY29sb3IiOiIjMDAwMDAwIn0seyJ0eXBlIjowLCJlcSI6IjE4MHgrMTIwIiwiY29sb3IiOiIjMDAwMDAwIn0seyJ0eXBlIjoxMDAwLCJ3aW5kb3ciOlsiMCIsIjMiLCI5Ni44NDMxNTMzMDE3ODQ4MSIsIjUzMC41MjQwMjIyOTU5ODU4Il19XQ--
It seems like you're getting worked up quite a bit for a subjective tier list...
ReplyDeleteRyze mediocre? Hardly, His early phase is somewhat tough but mid game on, and especially late game, he becomes a beast. If you look at win percentage alone you miss out on a lot of information, such as the team around him. What if every Ryze player is excellent but those around him are weak, wouldn't his win percentage go down then? Win percentage is an overrated statistic which doesn't paint the whole picture, yet people still rely on it to a seemingly ridiculous degree.
Again, his pick rate is high and he's a cheap recommended champ, so you'll get a lot of new players playing him and driving down his numbers.
Thanks for the fast answer SSJ :)
ReplyDeleteI understood most of the choice you meant except those in which you said the total opposite in the last notes of your Tier.
Nidalee> Both
(Since cougar form no longer offers armor or magic resistance is still a Top Tier 1 pick?)
Zyra> Both
(Many people requested to make this point clear in your previous tier list and we all kinda agreed that since the plants nerf it no longer has such huge impact as support than it used to be.)
After that i swear im done giving you trouble with my questioning list but i think its better to put it in evidence so less repetitive questions don't you agree? :)
Also i have an idea in mind don't know if you ever thought about it or just don't want at all to do it is a separative tier list SoloQ or a sort of adding levels to champions which can do well in different role like Elise.
Like 2th position of tier list 1 Elise(Top), and 8th position of tier list 1 Elise(Mid) i agree with you that some champions are as strong in their alternates roles but not always!
What do you think about it?
Thanks again SSJ :)
P.S: you taught me a new word today "hefty" which i never seen before :)
Hasta la vista! and have a nice day ;)
What you think about lane lee sin?
ReplyDeleteI don't agree Quinn is placed higuer than Ashe, when their ultimates makes a notable difference.
ReplyDeleteAgreed. I guess until a pro does well with Zilean he's doomed to be out shined by the other supports.
ReplyDeleteFantastic tier list by the way. The only one worth following on the net.
ReplyDeletelawl thx dude for the bug report i won t report it though just abuse it XD
ReplyDeleteOnly a few gripes but they are pretty major ones. Karma (post-rework) in Tier 2 is pretty insane, she should be in the bottom of Tier 4. She is even worse than before. Her win-rate is still the worst in League by a considerable margin and she bursted in popularity on Day 1 of the release and has rapidly declined since then as everyone played a game or two on her and realized how bad she was. Her reworked skills are not good, her new long-cooldown mantra means she cannot burst effectively. She doesn't trade well with anyone in a solo lane. She's not useful as a support.
ReplyDeleteThe other is Quinn in tier 3. Quinn is the worst ADC in the game, by a considerable margin. I can't think of a single situation where she's useful and she's definitely worse than Ashe/Corki/etc. Maybe she is better at the role than Urgot, but Urgot's win rate is generally low because he's a strict team-comp/counter-pick hero that doesn't fit into solo queue well.
He's never played in pro scene as a support, always as a mid who "supports" dive-in top laners like Jax. There's some really good youtube clips of Gambit Gaming (used to be Moscow 5) with Alex Ich playing Zilean mid and making crazy plays. Here's one of the best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVE5sQssZi4
ReplyDeleteCan you explain the Sona and Garen tier 1 choices?
ReplyDeleteGaren I don't really understand at all tbh and Sona I thought was always seen as a good competitive support but not so good (in terms of getting your ad carry fed) solo queue support.
Great video. As an AP mid those bombs do a helluva lot of damage.
ReplyDeleteThe bug was it only ticks twice. They fixed it and now it ticks thrice which it should be :)
ReplyDeletezed is thier 2? are you fucking retarded?
ReplyDeleteSion Tier 3.. but what kind of Sion? AP Sion or AD Sion? =)
ReplyDeleteow i misunderstood you there. thx ^^
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure how much that really matters. ELOBuff.com's data is all from 1900+ ELO so they shouldn't be weak players. The thread addresses all the points made here and more if you want to get a full view.
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Janna should be Tier 1 right now. I am playing in Diamond 1 rank, and you know when everyone same class, She make bot safe, and make other lane win. Her passive is amazing, everytime i play janna my teammate almost win lane.
ReplyDeletegaren has great sustain, nice trades, and tanky while still retaining that damage. his spin also crits now and his armor buff is really good too, which helps in team fights and trades. that ult is insane for making sure tanks/carries die. he's a really good top laner right now that can either get kills or force farm lane while denying other laner farm if played right. he falls off a little bit, but is still really good in team fights. definatly top tier.
ReplyDeletesona is also really good with champs that use mana often. she's a better soraka pretty much without silence and global heal, replaced with a good early poke(which is always nice as she can wittle the other laners down) and an aoe stun for team fights. she has good synergy with most adc's, which is what top tier supports all have
So I just got to ask, why is Akali in Tier 1? Shes like, 3, MAYBE 2. Sure, shes strong as hell, but any sensible person would buy a vision ward and boom, she has been countered hard. With a 125 gold counter, I don't believe she should be tier 1.
ReplyDelete1) I played Karma first time ever after her re-work because I was curious. Won lane hard against a good lux. As for her ultimate, its cd goes down for every sucessful ability you use, and actually becomes quite low of a cd if you play her right.
ReplyDelete2) Quinn is the worst adc because she is a much better bruiser, considering she had a slow, blind, and great chase ability.
Weak approach of Akali i see!
ReplyDeleteWhy you placed Rengar at tier 5? He's a lane bully, start with red elixir, max E, abuse brushes and you will easily win the lane, and as soon as teamfights kick in, you just activate your ultimate and insta burst their carries without sweating.
ReplyDeleteYea, he's nerfed, but he can still kick ass, it's the only top laner i'm playing atm
What are your thoughts on the state of Cassiopeia?
ReplyDeleteLux is basically Karma with 4 better skills. If you beat one as Karma you must have vastly outplayed her.
ReplyDeleteQuinn's not a good bruiser either. She has to trade at extremely short range and she has zero durability. It's fundamentally a bad kit.
What's with the over-agression? Chill out.
ReplyDeleteThink of it this way, if I gotta pony up 125 gold just to kill Akali that already puts me behind against her other teammates. That's a vision ward "wasted" that I could've just put up somewhere better to counter-ward, like Dragon or Baron.
ReplyDeleteAP probably.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if AD is even viable these days? (Correct me if I'm wrong please, inquiring minds just gotta know!)
I believe what always hampered Mord is the lack of any form of CC and gap closer. You can't even properly run support Mord (heh) because his shield tends to steal creeps.
ReplyDeleteI don't think the total damage is changed, but the potential damage has certainly decreased, since not many will stay inside for the full duration of the dot. Still, rumble is as strong as ever. Incoming more nerfs?
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think about supportsticks? Good, bad?
ReplyDeleteHey Suntastic, do you think Rengar is more viable is a jungle or top?
ReplyDeleteQuinn's kit makes her an exceptional mid, she farms/ pushes, and then late game split pushes with her ulti. She ganks and puts pressure on map presence for the enemy team.
ReplyDeleteStrongly disagree with Fiora being the worst in the game.
ReplyDeleteI know she's a great champion, and the meta is completely against her, but her damage is absurd.
This is coming from someone who went 29/7 with her in a ranked Gold game.
I don't feel Fiora deserves to be Tier 4 - maybe Tier 3.
ReplyDeleteI went 27/7 with her in ranked, and on an average basis I win with her on top lane. She has high damage output, a passive that has some great sustain, a W that can block a basic attack, an e with a great getaway, her e works amazing with most items in the meta.
I know the entire meta kind of disfavors her, but "worst champion" is by far unfair.
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ReplyDeleteeve ?
ReplyDeleteAnd think of it this way, that 125 gold just won me lane, got me multiple kills repaying that ward ten-fold, and allows me to win lane enough to go gank and help other lanes. Doing this, when other people take half the match, tons of items, and jungler ganks to do the same thing. Quite worth it.
ReplyDeleteOh also, forgot to mention this in the first message, 125 gold is a lot cheaper then the armor or MR you need to counter other champs.
ReplyDeleteLOL sure you are a diamond r1 player, sure you are...
ReplyDeletewhen i play akali i dont use my smoke shroud to hide so much as slow so ur ward theory is flawed for the style that doesnt toss it down to jump you but ustilizes its slow the ults to you while your slowed then get the bonuses from the sheild Q, E win... good luck with your ward theory and hope you keep playing bad akali's :)
ReplyDeleteWill give Janna another look, but I'm still thinking it's somewhat of a fluke that her win rate is that high.
ReplyDeleteHi Greg, I placed Rengar in Tier 5 because despite him winning lane and doing well early, his teamfighting presence always seems to be very diminished, probably the reason why his win rate is so low.
ReplyDeleteScary Cassiopeias are scary. I think she's too jukable and reliant on skill though. On the other hand, her damage potential is through the roof if nobody bursts her down and she lands everything.
ReplyDeleteNot a fan of supportsticks at all haha. Too squishy.
ReplyDeleteI'd say he's better top.
ReplyDeleteFiora's frustrating because to be effective she has to be aggressive, and she has no escape mechanisms. Meanwhile, she's very squishy when she builds the way she's supposed to, and if the support manages to hit her with an exhaust before she ults, she's almost a non-factor.
ReplyDeleteAt the same time, someone has to be the worst champion in the game, and if you look at the Tier 5 champions, none of them are completely unplayable. Riot's done a good job balancing.
ReplyDeleteBut it's not, you can avoid the front line and insta delete the enemy ad or ap carry without much effort. It works, at least for me. I'm in Silver III, this could explain my recent success with Rengar. I know he's way nerfed, but still viable.
ReplyDeleteThat 125 gold doesn't necessarily win you your lane outright, you still have to beat her in a fight. She's a beastly roamer and once she gets a couple kills she can snowball like crazy. One or two wards won't completely stop her, it's not as easy as that.
ReplyDeleteNote: That's 125 gold for *every kill*, on top of the HP, Armor, MR, and whatever stats needed against everyone else AND Akali.
ReplyDeleteAll the tier 4 champs should by higher because I went 100/2/3 with all of them once. My logic is infaliable.
ReplyDeleteWhat do you think of Gragas? I been using him lately in ranked and man he's a great mid. Sure he may rely on mana heavily in the early levels but he can pack a punch after level 6. I've been against Fizz, Akali, and TF at mid and they scary at first or even mid game, but in the end I was the one destroying them. What's your opinion on Gragas? Thanks
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ReplyDeleteHey Karl and GP Style, Sion's definitely most viable as AP, but late game AD Sion against a team without CC or kite is probably the strongest thing in the world.
ReplyDeleteHey Kyle! Lee is one of those champions that will always be viable just because of his kit and how easy it is to gank and snowball your allies. He's definitely viable in both top and jungle, he just tends to fall off, which means his role should generally be to build tank and supporting tank items.
ReplyDeleteThat's amazing Nathan :D
ReplyDeleteHi Jaz, I think Gragas is extremely strong and has great potential in terms of damage and utility. It's all on the player to land his skillshots though, so he tends to be less than reliable except in rare cases of...the chosen one.
ReplyDeleteAny chance you could slap together a jungle tier list? I'm really interested in how things look this season (I'm just now returning to the game after not having played since season 2).
ReplyDeleteWhy Zed and Cait are Tier 2 ???
ReplyDeleteYeah, but that ward takes out one of her most useful abilities, and unless you're completely bad at the game, you basically win against her every time. Also, if shes losing lane, she can't roam as much as you.
ReplyDeleteDon't know how you play, however I place my ward directly in the middle of the lane, and I can usually aquire 2 kills by the time it runs out, and by that point akali can't beat me normally, meaning I have no need to buy more.
ReplyDeleteHave another question, it's been bugging me for a while. While Ziggs is so poorly placed on every tier list I see (RoG and others)?? He has insane poke, great damage and great utility for the team, yet he's so underrated and rarely picked
ReplyDeleteThat is assuming you do get ahead, which clearly does not happen all the time. Perhaps you believe that paying 125 gold and dropping a vision ward immediately results in a dead Akali? Or Twilight Shroud being ineffective for the whole map?
ReplyDeleteThink back to your scenario and how much further you'd be ahead if your lane opponent dropped dead twice (free farm + 600 gold) without you having to pay 125 gold for a kill or two just because it's Akali (free farm + [600 - 125]=475 gold).
tldr: Akali is simply that good because she requires an additional investment over regular items to secure a kill on her--making it just that harder to get ahead.
I have to say the in cases of champions that are never played, they are often greatly undervalued. Cassiopeia is a good example, because people don't seem to want to put in the effort to gain the RP/ip necessary to buy her and is therefore never seen and mistakenly thought to be quite bad. She actually has incredible zoning and harassment potential with her AOE and poison that makes her absolute pain to lame against. Another example is ziggs, as when he gets ahead he is unbelievable irritating, and also has such a powerful harass in bouncing bomb.
ReplyDeleteWhats wrong with Soraka. I just bought her Celstine skin! It cost me way to much but it is totally one of the best skins in the game. I always thought Soraka was a top tier support due to her amazing heals. Although the cooldown is a bit long on her astral blessing.
ReplyDeleteOne thing I do have to ask is, why Twisted Fate tier one? I feel like he'd be a low tier 2, definitely not high tier 1. His damage is laughable compared to other AP carries like Lux, Veigar, Ryze, etc.
ReplyDeleteDude, you have to be joking about Fiora. Worst champion in the league? Pft, you wish. Fiora is a beast, and a pain in the ass to play against.
ReplyDeleteAlso, Galio T3? With one of the best ulti's in the game?
Yeah, sure, we'll go with that.
The reason TF is tier one is because while he doesn't have that huge burst damage of your listed AP carries, he's a hard stun/slow/mana potion that can be cast every four seconds, and his cards are also on a four second cooldown. (At level 5 of course) Match that with excellent pushing power and a near global presence with his ultimate, you can see why TF is a common pick in professional play.
ReplyDeleteWell, I would like to know why you consider her worse than Warwick.
ReplyDeleteI could go into a long explanation but it's a bit silly to have her where she is
She has a VERY strong laning phase, she's probably a more effective jungler (in the method of not letting a kill get away and finishing farming jungle faster)
Her ulti can be a decent initiate, if you use it right, building her with BOTRK, you can probably initate, get your team in there, run away with E, and then clean up.
I'm a fiora main so I may be biased, but look at the Lolking stats for her and possibly reconsider? ^^?
Why is Nami so low? I've never played with her but her kit actually seems amazing on paper. A great stun, and her ULT! plus healing, great poke and a decent steroid for your adc. To me she seems the perfect support, her only problem looks to be her squishyness but other supports are even squishier, e.g soraka and sona and they are placed higher.
ReplyDeleteAs he already explain there are many facts she is so low which mostly everyone agrees with SSJ:
ReplyDelete- Players don't know still how to play her so well
- Pretty hard to handle
- This is a SoloQ Tier List > it means if the ADC and Support aren't synchronized it gonna decrease plenty the chance of winning of the botlane.
Still there are few summoners out there who can do a really great job with her but still a very few so Tier4
Laughable? really?
ReplyDeleteOk you seem to never really seen a TF Mid/Late Game + he has 4sec CD on Q & W without CDR ok his skillset rests mostly on this 2 skills compare to some like you mentioned which contain more active offensive skill from 3 to 4.
Why he is top tier one of the soloQ tier list? because by the moment the mid laner say ss its most likely too late...
Just short exemple http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/30887217#history
11/4 & 13/2 compare to many other midlaners if you arent doing good or you need to assist top or bot lane your ultimate makes it REALLY easy to roam but ofc its player skill champion you can easly do great Bronze and Silver but starting Gold you will have to mastered the card dealer to still do well.
Im speaking on the Europe platform i have no idea about Amurica platform! but im sure not much difference actualy americans seems to ban even more than on Europe side.
Your question has already been answered earlier to someone else.
ReplyDeleteSoraka can be great support she was once upon a time when her heal was giving a HUGE amount of armor to the target she heals but also her recharge skill that was giving mana to the target (E Skill) was giving also half of the amount back to her! now its not the case any they did an hard nerf on those both skills and her skillset is less important than a Tresh Sona or Taric...they got damage & cc that Soraka don't have!
But still you can be great Soraka player! but depending your League it can be a bad pick even more if you are not DuoQing (Bronze Silver League)
For Zyra she is Tier 1 AP and Tier 2 Support since she has no really supportive skillset except her CC which is one of the best and got underrated by the Tresh Army ;)
Agree with you!
ReplyDeleteCassiopeia has a great skillset oriented AoE and her E can be extremly lethal !
Same for Ziggs i just think they are underplayed they cannot be FOTM every time!
Time will come my friend :)
ReplyDeleteTier 2: These heroes are a little more hit or miss, and if they start falling behind they start feeling powerless.
ReplyDeleteZed might goes up sooner or later Cait is very early/mid game most Miss Fortune will just get better more the time goes. Cait don't
People are starting to play it more give it some time. :)
ReplyDeleteThe only thing i find really negative on Xerath if the root on himself when he use his W ability if he get CC's about that time and focus...
Hi Kumquat, Xerath's got great damage output, but in terms of survivability he's easy to pick off if the enemy team realizes early on that he should be a priority target. His potential is definitely very high though.
ReplyDeleteHi marto, Zed falls off very hard if he doesn't snowball early, and Cait's pretty average even though she's so popular right now.
ReplyDeleteHi Gregorio, it's mostly because Ziggs is very unpredictable. If you hit all your skillshots then yes his CDR and damage output is pretty awesome. The problem is that if he gets fed and then misses something important it could still cost the team a game very easily.
ReplyDeleteHi James, Cass is definitely more viable after introducing seeker's armguard to the equation. Earlier on she was getting completely dominated by AD mids and it just wasn't worth playing. I'll give her another look soon.
ReplyDeleteHi Alec, Soraka used to be one of the best, but with Miss Fortune and Varus being so popular, she's not doing so hot.
ReplyDeleteHi Zach, it's mostly because of his ability to snowball a team and his ridiculous late game utility and kiting power.
ReplyDeleteHi Alec, Nami's skillset is good end-game in terms of utility, but the main issue is that her burst/escaping power pre-6 comes mostly from her landing her bubble, which makes her very unreliable when trying to run from a jungler or a Draven.
ReplyDeleteThanks for answering so many questions while I was away David =]
ReplyDeleteWelcome bro i try to help and share my experience about what i know and knew :)
ReplyDelete(ATM trying to be recruited by RIOT Dublin)
I didn't want to answer to those people instead of you so i gave it a shot i hope they enjoy it if not then im for the freedom of opinion :p
Karma's got more damage and scaling.
ReplyDeleteI agree, Fiora deserves to be tier 3.
ReplyDeleteIn no way is she remotely tier 4.
Which "elemental items" are you refering to regarding Gangplank? I main GP so I'm curious. I assume you mean Statik Shiv, but what else?
ReplyDeleteDo you still think volibear holds his spot in tier 1 and is still extremely strong after his nerf? I know that the nerf had maybe been very small but it seems his early game ganks aren't as good
ReplyDeleteGuess it make the gank a bit weaker but as far as i have seen Volibear players are still doing quiet well!
ReplyDeleteI believe he meant Iceborn Gauntlet not sure.
ReplyDeleteI'd love to hear your opinion on Galio.
ReplyDeleteWhat exactly makes ziggs tier 4? Other than some troll being all like he sucks.
ReplyDeleteHi, I already know that you explained why Hecarim is in tier 1 but since I cannot view the past tier list, can you tell it again?
ReplyDeleteIve heard people say that amumu's earlygame sucks and if you shut him down early and steal his blue, he falls off tremulously and this is something that people are getting quite aware of. Would you consider this an exaggeration?
ReplyDeleteif your teammates almost win lane that means they lose their lane
ReplyDeleteBecause Low CD and Spirit of the Lizard thats why! (and High mobility which he is the best in this area close to a rammus)
ReplyDeleteWhy is Janna T2? She has like one of the higher win rates as a support. She can punish people for being out of position so harshly with Q+W. Her passive helps her team escape from ganks like Hecarim etc.. combined with her kit. Not to mention she can build more support like quick then most (not having to buy boots for quite awhile.) Her ultimate can make so many plays. And she can shield (towers too) and peel for adc so well in TF's. Pls explain, just wanted to make her case for those of you who are unaware.
ReplyDelete"Win against her every time." Sounds like some bronze elo talk going on here.
ReplyDeleteViable in silver != viable in LoL.
ReplyDeleteHey who can counter or have a decent match up against rumble? Whenever I can't get him, he's banned or taken by them and he's unbeatable.
ReplyDeleteI'd indeed consider that an exaggeration, I don't think he falls off any harder than other junglers that get shut down early and get their buffs stolen.
ReplyDeleteYorick and Jayce do pretty well against him.
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