Feb 16, 2014

2014 Champion Tier List - Solo Queue - Patch 4.2 Update

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SEASON 4 - PATCH 4.2 SOLO QUEUE TIER LIST
SEASON 4 UPDATE

This List has been updated, and new versions are available via this link

Preface Chatter
With the release of patch 4.2, we saw a major change on Xerath along with a bunch of modifications all around to the more popular champions of the scene. I think that for the most part the nerfs weren't terribly harsh on anyone in particular, and the Xerath changes haven't exactly exploded him to the top of the ladder. However, I've moved several champions around based on win rate trends and the ever changing meta. Check out the list below and leave your comments at the bottom!

Patch 4.2 Summary
Buffs: Ashe, Maokai
Nerfs: Mundo, Teemo, Thresh, Yasuo, Yorick, Ziggs
Item/Spell Nerfs: Statikk Shiv, Perseverance
Tweaks: Xerath, Skarner, Evelynn, Kayle, Riven
Updates:
  • 2/19: Moved Lulu (AP) Mid to Tier 1
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The Tier List

God Tier [Very Strong]: 
Mid-Lane Gods: Ziggs, KassadinGragasKayle, Kha'Zix
Jungle Gods: ViAmumu, Kha'Zix, EliseWukongRammus
AD GodsJinx, Draven, Sivir, Lucian
Top Lane Gods: Wukong, Nasus, Renekton, Jax, Teemo
Support Gods: Leona, Thresh

Tier 1 [Really Strong]:
Mid-Lane: Lulu (AP), Katarina, TalonYasuo, Swain, Orianna, Lux, Morgana, Malzahar, Brand, Nidalee, Syndra, Ahri, Diana, Fizz, Wukong, Teemo, Akali
Jungle: Fiddlesticks, Volibear, Jarvan IV, Udyr, Sejuani, Aatrox, Lee Sin, Nocturne, Hecarim, Nautilus, Zac, Dr. Mundo, Shyvana, Rengar
AD Carry: Caitlyn, Twitch, Varus, Tristana, Ezreal, Graves
Top LaneKayle, Yasuo, Shyvana, Dr. Mundo, Singed, Darius, Fiora, Olaf, Rengar, Tryndamere, Warwick, Aatrox, Yorick, Kennen, Jarvan IV, Elise, Malphite, Lee Sin, Udyr, Volibear, Karma, Nidalee
Support: Sona, Annie, Taric, Zyra, Blitzcrank, Janna, Nami,

Tier 2 [Balanced]:
Mid-Lane: Leblanc, Heimerdinger, Viktor, Cassiopeia, Pantheon, Annie, Anivia, Galio, Kennen, Mordekaiser, Zed, Vladimir, Xerath, Zyra, Elise, Lissandra, Sion, Karma
Jungle: Olaf, Shaco, Maokai, Nasus, Warwick, Pantheon, Xin Zhao, Leona, Trundle, Malphite, Skarner, Gragas, Diana, Zed
AD Carry: Kog'Maw, Ashe, Vayne, Miss Fortune, Quinn, Corki
Top Lane: Rumble, Zac, Riven, Pantheon, Shen, Poppy, Akali, Quinn, Vi, Swain, Kha'Zix, Vladimir, Cho'gath, Trundle, Garen, Jayce, Lissandra, Zed
Support: Lulu, Fiddlesticks, Karma, Alistar, Soraka

Tier 3 [Needs Higher Skill/Knowledge Than Usual]:
Mid-Lane: Karthus, Veigar, Riven, Twisted Fate, Jayce, Cho'Gath, Ryze, Evelynn,  Fiddlesticks, Soraka
Jungle: Evelynn, Nunu, Jax, Cho'Gath, Malzahar, Yasuo, Fiora, Master Yi, Riven, Kayle, Poppy, Darius,
AD Carry: Twisted Fate, Kennen, Urgot
Top Lane: Irelia, Gangplank, Mordekaiser, Xin Zhao, Sion, Vayne, Master Yi, Talon, Ryze, Nunu, Galio
Support: Morgana, Teemo, Nunu, Volibear, Lux, Nautilus, Orianna, Nidalee, Zilean, Gangplank, Shen

Tier 4 [Difficult to Win]:
Mid-Lane: Kog'maw, Zilean, Tristana, Janna, Ezreal (AP),
Jungle: Tryndamere, Gangplank, Blitzcrank, Alistar
AD Carry:
Top Lane: Urgot
Support: Kayle, Malphite, Poppy, Elise, Maokai, Yorick, Lissandra, Ashe, Leblanc, Caitlyn

  • Champions in BOLD I will talk about shortly
  • Champions UNDERLINED may be over/undervalued, but aren't/haven't played enough for me to make a better judgement.
  • Within each tier the champions are strongest from left to right, but within a tier each champion's strength is relatively close. This is especially true for Tiers 2 and 3 where these champions are ALL highly playable and player dependent on how strong they are in-game.

Champion Explanations
  • Alistar [Tier 2 Support]: Alistar's one of those champions that looks great on paper. His skill set is highly flexible, and he's tanky enough to be on the front lines initiating or on the back lines peeling. However, after repeated nerfs on his ranges, it takes strong knowledge of how to trade and position to be good at him. If you play him often he can be good, but if you're picking a support and usually don't, steer clear of this 44% win rate cow.
  • Annie [Tier 2 Mid]: Annie's role as a mid laner has suffered slightly after nerfs to her supporting capabilities. She's still playable mid, just not overwhelming.
  • Fiora [Tier 1 Top]: Fiora's one of those 1v1 champions that does well once her counters are all nerfed, and nerfed they have. She offers almost nothing in during a jungle gank, but her ability to trade coupled with the (in my opinon) overpowered Hydra at the moment makes her very good for solo queue, especially since she baits enemies very easily.
  • Fizz [Tier 1 Mid]: Fizz isn't quite as strong as he used to be with more tanky/juke capable champions mid now, but I think he's still a decent pick.
  • Jax [God Tier Top]: Moved Jax down slightly due to a more aggressive early/mid game meta. I think he still deserves a place at God tier though.
  • Jinx [God Tier ADC]: Jinx is one of the most balanced, safe AD carries at the moment. While other champions like Lucian and Draven will be stronger early on, Jinx is definitely the strongest AD carry for solo queue for people who prefer a safe farming game. Draven is still better for stomping though.
  • Kayle [Tier 1 Top/God Tier Mid]: Kayle top/mid still seems very strong despite nerfs to her ratios. However, I'll keep an eye on her win ratios to see if that changes.
  • Leblanc [Tier 2 Mid]: Leblanc is certainly very strong and also annoying to play against, but honestly her skill cap makes her a little unwieldy for solo queue unless you happen to be a Leblanc main. Definitely not a pick up and play judging by her 44% win rate, but she has potential.
  • Lulu [Tier 1 Mid]: I see the light...really broken right now with the utility scaling in combination with her ratios. Will do a longer article later.
  • Teemo [God Tier Top]: Teemo is by far the most annoying top laner to deal with and requires a high amount of coordination to stop, something not often found in solo queue. Simply by placing shrooms in good locations around Baron pit is usually enough to win a game by himself as long as he doesn't feed in lane.
  • Vayne [Tier 2 ADC]: The top few AD carries simply outcarry her early and mid game right now, and although her late game can still be monstrous, it's getting harder and harder to get there.
  • Vi [God Tier Jungle]: It's no surprise Vi's moving up a few steps, she just gets a lot of bonuses for relatively low amounts of effort.
  • Wukong [God Tier Jungle]: The jungle item changes were very kind to him, and he's definitely stronger than ever in the jungle.
  • Yasuo [Tier 1 Mid]: After the slight nerfs to Yasuo and Shiv, I think he's more in line now. He's still very strong, but requires a little more skill to execute correctly as he's still a squishy glass cannon.
Disclaimer:
  • The purpose of this list is for discussion and to provide a starting point for hero selection.
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463 comments:

  1. Ilya Genesis BarigouFebruary 16, 2014

    Kayle'Q has been nerfed a lot (from 1 to 0,6) :S she's still mid lane god ?

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  2. SSJSuntasticFebruary 16, 2014

    I'll keep an eye on her for now, but it doesn't seem to be majorly impacting her success rate so far.

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  3. ScarfedGaryBuseyFebruary 16, 2014

    Can I ask why cho'gath (top lane only) isn't getting bumped up? It seems as if he's fallen aside when that's simply not the case. His passive+feast mastery allow him to have borderline aattrox sustain in top lane, his ability to peel for carries is beyond scary right now. He scales so well with defensive items forgoing hp items like warmogs from ult becoming that never dying tank while being useful in teamfights (unlike mundo). He counters a lot of top laners by being one of the few champs the can reverse the lol cycle of burst beating sustain. He's so balanced and strong along with amazing kiting potential that I think he deserves a bump up (quite a large one IMO). Would love to hear your thoughts on that.

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  4. Basically, the ratio nerf isn't hitting very hard. Her late game is still incredibly strong, they just peeled her early game pressure back. So instead of being able to just pub-stomp everything that moves, you now have to know a bit more about the other champion. Her Ult is better now(opinion) because of the no mana cost. Makes you a lot harder to kill at level 6, because you can spam her skills harder now and there is no need to try to sit around 100 mana if you are running oom and trying to farm.

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  5. Ziggs unchanged?

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  6. Leblanced no balanced xD

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  7. can u explain rammus in the god tier?

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  8. Ramiro RiveraFebruary 16, 2014

    and Trundle? where is trundle?

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  9. Thanks for the update :)

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  10. What is with Irelia, is it still worth playing?I played here a couple of times, and i like her playstyle, but it seems that shes simplay not strong enough :/

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  11. Micaiah ShuppFebruary 16, 2014

    Is it bad that I thought you said "i like her hairstyle,"?

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  12. xD Nah alright :3

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  13. BoltOfSpadesFebruary 16, 2014

    Call me bronze, but I think Ryze deserves to be higher after nerfs to more popular picks.

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  14. My big question, is why isn't Xerath higher up after his rework? He's lost the magic pen boost from his old W, granted, but his Q is now the AP equivalent of a Varus Q, he has tons of harass in lane, with decent CC to back it up, and his ult range at max rank is higher than a Ziggs ult, with noticeably less of a delay before it hits. Oh, and did i mention you get 3 shots in case you miss that Teemo escaping on no health? I think he deserves at least T1, if not God Tier.

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  15. Micaiah ShuppFebruary 16, 2014

    Simply put? This is a solo Q tier list. Cho'gath can make some huge plays, but unless you are godlike with him, you aren't gonna get that op. While it's not 100% true, whatever the pros plays are usually the OP champions, and I haven't seen a Cho'gath so far. His Q is a major league skillshot and is the only part of his kit that actually makes an impact mentioning CC *Although Feral Scream does bring CC against assassin type champions*. He's honestly balanced. (BTW, with the introduction of spirit visage/spectral cowl, he got countered by most of the tanky top laners who go for it regardless of whether or not they are against an AP champion.*

    Also, his peel isn't that good *LB troll mode activate :P*

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  16. In my personal opinion, the main reason Ryze is so low is because all of his abilities are targeted spells with a fairly low range. Sure, he can become a late game monster if you have enough time to build your mana up enough, but the thing is, he is so easily out-poked in lane with characters such as Ziggs and Gragas being popular right now.


    Anyways, just my thoughts on the matter

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  17. Micaiah ShuppFebruary 16, 2014

    Simply put, Xerath's ultimate hits him way too hard. Beforehand, you could reposition how you like with it, but now you cast off all three charges before being unrooted and if you screwed up on positioning or theres an assassin champion, you're screwed. Also, with the meta being tanks and burst mages, he's falling realllllly far down. BTW, the Q on Xerath has about a 3 second wind up in comparison to Xerath's *seemingly* 1.5. He has obvious tells now, and besides landing his E and going into a full combo willy nilly *which means that you could get traded back* he's not that good.

    Okay, I will say his ultimate range does bring something awesome to the table, but he can't use it in all in engages like Ziggs can.

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  18. ^^ this. As far as I'm aware, Rammus was pretty much made redundant after the nerf to his taunt, and I'm not really seeing any buffs to him that would compensate accordingly.

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  19. rabidtangerineFebruary 16, 2014

    Yo SSJ, I'm curious to hear your thoughts on AP Lulu mid as it's currently very popular in Korea. For isntance, Apdo climbed to #1 in Korea playing primarily AP Lulu mid and it's been played multiple times at OGN Masters, even by Faker.

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  20. What is your opinion about Lissandra? Also is she viable right now in mid lane, is she more a late game champ and what is a good build for her in general?

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  21. volibear explaination?

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  22. Explanation. I thought that nerf was pretty hard.

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  23. samwisegamzyFebruary 16, 2014

    Just wanted to say real quick, fizz is not as strong as you think he might be. I found (don't know if this is still true) a couple of days ago that fizz can no longer dodge a point click ability specifically veigars q or r. Dodging abilities like that seems pretty important for a fizz player.

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  24. Michael ThompsonFebruary 16, 2014

    His Q wind up only increases its range. So the damage is the same no matter how far it goes.

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  25. Volibear is great right now. Good blend of damage and tankiness. His passive is one of the best in the game for early risky ganking. Some of the other jungle items getting nerfed hasn't hurt him because he still benefits a lot from those high-HP tanky items and can still dish out solid amounts of mixed damage without building any damage items.

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  26. Karthus T3? i demand a recount

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  27. SSj great list continue with the great work ^^, but I really want an explanation about Ziggs, the nerf to his E was a HUGE nerf to his wave clear so i think now he deserves Tier 1, and I still sad you continue letting Eve in tier 3 :(

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  28. João Victor MaiaFebruary 16, 2014

    Dude, Master Yi on Mid lane is WAY better than Top or Jungle

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  29. SSJ has said before that he thinks she's fantastic late game for her aoe snare and team fight presence, but she isn't very solo queue friendly because of the high amount of communication and coordination she requires. Basically, op in lcs games where constant chatter over mics are always going on, but a bit weak in solo queue.

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  30. I agree. It's a similar way to how SSJ explained why he put Vayne in tier 2. Monstrous late game, but hard to get there.

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  31. I don't believe you know what the word redundant means.

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  32. lol why is he god tier still so weak compared to other junglers

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  33. Leblanc has the second lowest win rate of any champion :x

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  34. Plus, Jax, Fiora and Riven eat him up ridiculously

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  35. May I ask why Sona is higher than Annie? Annie is still ridiculous, but do you really think she's falling out of favour so much?

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  36. He can use his ult very quickly if he keeps track of enemy cc. In fact, in Xerath 1v1 with Ziggs, Xerath should come out on top, due to no damage windup necessary, the much harder cc, the more damage on the ult and the huge slow. Plus, the self root counters Zigg's minefield, since he isn't moving through it to get ridiculous range, even if he is smack in the middle.

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  37. Mainly due to her hype. I have mained leblanc for 2 months, and I still make a huge impact in game. But she is a little "High skill capped," especially when it comes to teamfights.

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  38. ZionSpartan
    *Drops mic while crowd cheers*

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  39. Finally Teemo God Tier >.<

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  40. pantheon tier 1 jungler pls

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  41. where mid lane teemo !!!

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  42. I want to ask why WuKong in god tier , can someone explain to me ?

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  43. Heal + CC / CC

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  44. But hard CC every few seconds beats soft CC every few seconds, a tiny heal and hard CC every couple of minutes.

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  45. that's not what he is talking about at all when he says high skill cap. Leblanc is hard to play. She isn't a champion you can just pick up and be ok with. That, and the fact that she still can fall off and become completely useless make her a less than desirable pick for those who don't main her. Her skill cap comes from the fact that she has a unique play style with unique mechanics. She doesn't have a skill cap in team fights, she just isn't good at them. With her kit the way it is, she will never be good at team fights and that is fine.

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  46. its true i realized this yesterday when i was as fizz vs a brand in mid. Normally i would doge brand ult and taric stun. But it didnt work anymore and it had nothing to do with timing or so.

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  47. wukong god tier for jungle, not for top lane..

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  48. he is god tier for multiple reasons. his late game he is a full on tank with decent damage. he is generally able to gank (even through wards) with a high success rate. he is a counter to the current meta of top laners (bruiser esque or higher ad dmg) his ganks on the bottom lane are as strong as vi's without needing to get to lvl 6.

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  49. Lulu tier 4 mid? Reconsider that

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  50. I have a question abou how to build Lissandra (general): Things I almost get are: sorc boots/zhonya's/Liandry's/Deathcap. BUT I never know if I should start building a ROA or a Athene's/Morellonomicon (for cdr+regen) & don't know if I should prioritize taking a void staff or abyssal. Any thought about which two items would be the best to add to this build? I play her as a tanky teamplayer (so don't come with burst items like f.e. dfg or something pls) Thanks for the help in advance!

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  51. Question about how to build Lissandra (general): Things I almost get are: sorc boots/zhonya's/Liandry's/Deathcap. BUT I never know if I should start building a ROA or a Athene's/Morellonomicon (for cdr+regen) & don't know if I should prioritize taking a void staff or abyssal. Any thought about which two items would be the best to add to this build? I play her as a tanky teamplayer (so don't come with burst items like f.e. dfg or something pls) Thanks for the help in advance!

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  52. Would you say that it sucks balance-wise to have a champ that is very strong in three roles/places, or does Wukong deserve a nerf?

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  53. Sion Tier 2 Mid? No... Sion is just broken when he builds AP. He is starting to show up more, and we can never seem to kill him, the shield is too strong and the stun does too much damage.

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  54. I am afraid I have to disagree, and this is why I know she is balanced (along with the fact that yeah, she sucks at teamfights), because she has had this terrible win rate long before the hype train, or before Bjergsen played her on stream a whole bunch some months back. She belongs where she is, I just hope Riot don't nerf her like they do to every champ that sees some esport love.

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  55. I have a question abou how to build Lissandra (general): Things I always get are: sorc boots/zhonya's/Liandry's/Deathcap. BUT I never know if I should start building a ROA or a Athene's/Morellonomicon (for cdr+regen) & don't know if I should prioritize taking a void staff or abyssal. Any thought about which two items would be the best to add to this build? I play her as a utility control mage like f.e. Orianna. (so don't come with burst items like f.e. dfg or something pls) Thanks for the help in advance!

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  56. Simon SickBoyFebruary 17, 2014

    I read these lists everytime you create them and for the most part i agree. But some of the points you make are just not right.
    Le Blanc is not balanced. She is possibly the easiest mid laner to carry a game with, without a doubt. She has an escape (2 if you use ult), she has a root (2 if you use ult) and she has a silence (which you dont even have to cast). All you need to do as Le Blanc is max W first for wave clear, CS until you have a DFG and then, providing the rest of your team isnt super far behind, the game is won. You can blow up any midlaner (except Kayle) with DFG and a combo EASILY, with the use of only 1 skill shot (which you can cast from right next to them using W). Then once you have killed mid you roam bot for a double kill or go into their jungle and 1 shot the jungler. Any half decent Le Blanc player is very hard to gank pre 6, and unless you catch them right after they used a combo, almost impossible to gank post 6. Yes she is very squishy, but arent most of the mid laners in the list? If the game reaches a point where EVERYONE has a banshees then yea it gets a little harder, but if you are playing Le Blanc right the game shouldnt last much more than 20 mins. Its not hard to get an early DFG if you can farm half decent, and when you have it early their is nothing the enemy team can do. No-one has enough MR or health to survive that burst until a long time after you haver your DFG. And if other lanes are itemising against getting blown up by you then you already won.
    Im not saying she is god tier, because everyone that is god tiers offers much more to the team, but she at least tier 1.
    Yes i play a lot of Le Blanc, but i also play a lot of mid laners and not a single one of them is easier to carry on than LB. Apart from maybe Gragas but that sustain OP.
    Prove me wrong...

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  57. Santos AwogbemiFebruary 17, 2014

    pantheon should be tier 1 jungle if not god, the new spirit stone changes made him and wuk viable at the same time, he has a on click stun with no draw backs besides putting himself in danger and he has high damage

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  58. Simon SickBoyFebruary 17, 2014

    She should be placed WAY higher than she is. She is a lane bully early game, she can pump out great damage once she has a lich bane and late game her utility scaling is off the charts. She can speed up an ally 100% (before diminishing returns) and can slow an enemy almost the same.
    She has been way over looked by SSJ in this case. The fact that she is seeing playing in not only Korean solo Q but also in both EU and NA LCS proves she should be WAAAAAY higher than tier 4

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  59. Simon SickBoyFebruary 17, 2014

    I dont understand why people are saying you cant just pick her up and play her. Yes you can. Go and try it.
    You have 1 skill shot, which you can land at close range after using your W if you are bad.
    You have a silence on your damage spells so when you go into trade you can do so safely.
    You have an escape and a root to avoid ganks (you can have 2 of either post 6) making you very hard to gank.
    If you max W you can clear waves easily and quickly, then roam with devestating impact.
    If you think Le Blanc is balanced then go play her for a day, get used to her for a game or 2 and you will soon she how easy it can be to carry games.
    Yes she has poor team fighting but if you are playing Le Blanc right you will have set the enemy team so far behind that the rest fo your team should be able to carry you through team fights whilst you clean up the half healthers trying to escape.

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  60. Simon SickBoyFebruary 17, 2014

    Agreed. In top lane he will get dumpstered by everyone else in the god tier and most of the champions in the tier 1.

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  61. wukongs ult brings so much for the team its crazy

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  62. so thats why she literally never gets picked in the pros?

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  63. Awesome list as always SSJ! Thanks! :D

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  64. You clearly don't watch any LCS games.

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  65. I would rush Athene's when laning against an AP mage, so I'm not really sure why you have it as your later items. And even if you're against a Yasuo or Zed, buying it after Zhonyas and Sorcs isn't a bad idea either. Also, switch liandry's for void staff, as 3 penentration items are a bit overkill and not totally necessary. Void staff is pretty much essential to any AP mid laner, but if the enemy team is running a double ap comp, go for an abyssal scepter. End build for me is Athene's+Sorcs+Zhonya's+Deathcap+Void Staff+Any defensive item. Banshees is a lot stronger than people take it for, and since Lissandra Initiates fights, having a spell shield can make the difference between life and death. Also, Don't completely shrug off DFG. Lissandra isn't as burst oriented as Ahri or LeBlanc, she still can definitely burst pretty hard with her Q. The only AP carries who really need 40% cdr are probably either Nidalee or Lux, so don't feel like you absolutely need max cdr. 20% should suffice.

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  66. You should bring ad lulu at top in the Tier list :/ and why does swain and Lissandra dont get a higher place at top? Or aren't they good vs. Tanks or something?

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  67. Dat moment when Teemo is God Tier

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  68. Is wukong really a GOD tier jungle? He has no cc other than his ult and you cant use his ult every gank.

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  69. How would you build top kayle?

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  70. You should really consider putting Lulu mid (way) higher... I win a lot of games with her, great solo Q champ that also fits great in a lot of team comps.

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  71. Can't really find Xerath mid on the list. Great list btw

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  72. Point and click good ranged stun that also functions as a dash, huge damage, good sustain in the jungle, even pre spirited, with that passive and stun to mitigate a lot of dmmg, his only problem being that weak late game functionality with his ult, and it being impossible to end a game easily with him.
    Cannot understand how he's not at the top of T1

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  73. Hybrid (there are tons of guides showing how to do by veteran Kayle players)

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  74. We could consider Kha'Zix the same way (slight slow or not isn't going to make the diff!)

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  75. she's used to counter nidalee. otherwise, she's not as great.

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  76. Champions UNDERLINED may be over/undervalued, but aren't/haven't played enough for me to make a better judgement.

    Here you got your answer.

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  77. Due to her recent nerf it's quite accurate!

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  78. The Lulu Army!

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  79. She's used as a general counter to many mid lane champions right now in lcs. Pro's still dont know how to deal with her as she generally wins lane and she has no real counter. So yes she is that great.

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  80. Most likely :(, her win rate shows that :((((((


    Well I think that SSj had a good reason to let Ziggs in the God Tier, thinking about it, he brings so much poke and damage to the table that he may deserves his spot

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  81. John BeckwithFebruary 17, 2014

    Teemo shrooms will get nerfed eventually...

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  82. Teemo in the God Tier, God saves us all, Hell has reached the Rift

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  83. Honestly he E nerf was like you said for the force of push lane to decrease while he still an opponent pretty strong in 1v1 and excellent for team fight!

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  84. Her skillset still has nothing to envy a Ziggs Syndra Gragas...

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  85. Is eve really tier 4 jungle? Seemed to me that the vision changes made her kinda op

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  86. Bob ThebuilderFebruary 17, 2014

    I completely agree with Mr.Spade, eve has been severely hurt as her spike is considerably easier to dodge.

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  87. Swain has major problems 1v1 versus bruisers with gap closers after the first few levels.

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  88. how...dafuq...is morgana not a mid tier god

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  89. mid god-tier*

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  90. Josh PossanzFebruary 18, 2014

    thoughts on Viktor?

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  91. Why is Veigar and karthus at tier 3? Karthus is a late game monster and can farm safely at early game. Veigar can combo any ap mid laners after 6 til end game. So why are they there?

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  92. i think hes asking y she isn't god tier

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  93. She's slow, doesn't deal that much damage, just a lot of Utility and DoT.

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  94. They are quiet slow in term of mouvement speed without any skillset that favor'em about it which mean a casual player of veigar/khartus will perform badly more than 50% of the time so it require you to master their weak point early to mid game to perform great in late game!
    Trust me since they changed Twisted Fate few patches ago where he was a must pick/ban he turned the same and Tier3 doesnt mean "its shit" it just mean to be lethal you need to be extremly good at him.

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  95. He is kinda underestimated in some ways but some Viktor main player can show you how good he can be.
    His early game isn't really good but still his upgraded E hurts a lot for mid/late game team fight.
    The down side is that it's a skillshot so it request a good training with him.

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  96. She was back then but with all those flavor of the moment like Ziggs Gragas which can perform tons better!
    The only down side of Morgana is that a veteran mid player will juke most of your cages which resume in 50% of damage potential from Morgana...(going with a AoE spell of DoT like Archsatan told you!)

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  97. Tier 3 not 4

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  98. Lissandra mid lane is weaker than Lissandra top lane (due to the fact 3/4 of champs aren't range their and Lissandra Q has a low range)

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  99. Only in top if the change as to be made his jungle clear speed isn't great which we could say the same about his ganking potention honestly.
    Where toplane his passive really mean something significant! his slight CC help up the jungler way better than in a ganking form from the jungle...

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  100. rammus & weak isn't going well together!

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  101. Wrong if you follow well the patch note it has been made only for making his pushing lane ability less strong since minions where taking damage from E at 100% per ball while champions it were scaling 40 > 50 > 60 for each consecutive ball stepped on!

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  102. TERROR IS COMING!!!

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  103. Alfonso PersicoFebruary 18, 2014

    Guys the champions listed here are strongest from left to right, this means that in tear1 for example, fiddlestick is weaker than rengar? Thx for the answer

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  104. Seperated from that, still which build you would suggest for MID and which one for TOP if I would use her in both lanes? Or both lanes build (generally) the same?

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  105. You read it right.

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  106. Xander StouteFebruary 18, 2014

    so what did they change about mundo in this patch???

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  107. HaakonHelveteFebruary 18, 2014

    Wheres Irelia and Twitch?

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  108. Niel mahou maruFebruary 18, 2014

    Why xin is so low? i don'nt know how he is at high elo, but in silver you can snowball really hard iff you go full dagame, especialy with an elixir, 2 E Q with some atack damage runes and i can kill almost any top (mundo and shen off course not). I'm not sayng tath he does really deserves a high place, i just want to know why, even he beeing a "low elo stomper" he is considered so weak

    And, wath about olaf? he is the top laner tath more looses in the game, even more than jayce, why my fav champ is so high if he is a low impact champ that almost never win

    Sory for the horrible english. I"m brasilean (yes, with "S")

    Tanks for the list, and a lots of good HU3HU3HU3HU3HU3 for you ssjSuntastic (yes there are the good HU3 and the bad HU3. but i will explain this in the next list, bye :) )

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  109. Warwick and Pantheon jungle should be higher for sure. Both great gankers, Pantheon gets a big boost from new jungle items and warwick is easy to play and gank with and doesn't even need to be snowballing to stay a good champion all game.
    Maybe not gods but definitely Tier 1.

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  110. Read the patch note in the link above.
    Reduction of cleaver damage + masteries defensive nerf

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  111. Xin isn't low he is not just stronger compare to picks above...
    Let me give you an exemple:
    Vi vs Xin Zhao
    In such matchup Vi has a better result overall but it's not the case at 100% of the time!

    The placement of Olaf is discutable i would see him more Tier 2 in term of result of the difference aspect of the game but in term of match up top lane he maybe deserve Tier 1 like SSJ guess.

    No prob for your INGRISH brazuca ) na boa ))

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  112. hrhgrrewgewrgFebruary 18, 2014

    Opinions on ZED after patch 4.2, I just finished a ranked queue and i dominated the other team ?

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  113. RubySightstoneFebruary 18, 2014

    I think that with champions like Gragas and Kayle he might suffer in lane, but I don't know, he's a really safe champion, and after the nerfs he became pretty slow to dodge skillshots;: his ult gives now a lot of counterplay, due to his longer invulnerability duration. IMHO (sorry for bad english)

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  114. Reconsider Mordekaiser. He is a beast. Also with veigar he is close to equal to how anivia is

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  115. LOTRKingluisFebruary 18, 2014

    Thank you for another tier list! :D

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  116. LOTRKingluisFebruary 18, 2014

    opinions on lux and karma mid lane? In my opinion both are strong in their ways, and so should be put on same tier :)

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  117. LOTRKingluisFebruary 18, 2014

    +1 Panth jungle AND nocturne jungle should go higher. Their ganks are now extremelly effective for this meta (you cannot prevent their ganks with wards, how stupid is that?)

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  118. LOTRKingluisFebruary 18, 2014

    lol MrSpade :) you are understimating that monster. I HATE LULU

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  119. My mistake. You are right, my friend.

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  120. Wukong has no CC? plz explain what an AoE knockup is then lel lel lel

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  121. i do not think so :)

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  122. in general from what i saw on Darien he plays it more or less like i was playing Elise back then
    items like Rilay Liandry Abyssal are gr8 but i cant give you a full resume check guide from good Lissandra players :)

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  123. NP everyone can be wrong :)

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  124. and that 650 range aa poke.

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  125. Xin has a hard time coming back if he falls behind, a real hard time.

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  126. Niel mahou maruFebruary 18, 2014

    Tanks, thath does really makes sense, if you compare Vi to xin, even i can see who have te advantage, my question was more about top xin zhao, but nevermind, i guess he just work like the old riven ( dash Q auto auto auto ignite, kill lv 2) in low elo.
    Anyway tanks a lot for the explanation



    About olaf, thats kinda true, he does really is oppressor in the top, the sustain and the true damage are really annoing to play against, but i always thought tath the list was about the whole game

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  127. Niel mahou maruFebruary 18, 2014

    that's why i do full damage, if i can win trades from lv 2, its, at least, less 1 champion in the enemy team to be worried about XD

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  128. Josh PossanzFebruary 18, 2014

    where does Darius stand in this meta and patch? I feel that he counters some meta champs

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  129. Jackson DavisFebruary 18, 2014

    I personally think Xerath should be tier 1 mid rather than tier 2, His passive and bursty long range kit make him very competitive in lane and out of lane still has considerable cc to peel off enemies in team fights, if not just outright blasting themt to pieces. not to mention his ult is excellent for "that one that got away". i think tier 2 might just be underestimating his ability a little too much.

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  130. Xerath is actually really strong, his ult isn't something you should use within range of the enemy champion. It's more of a utility skill to finish off escaping targets, hit high priority targets safely or pre-teamfight poke. I usually solo enemies without it.

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  131. Why is Rumble not a tier 1? He seems on par with the other tier 1 tops

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  132. Also please consider fizz top ;)

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  133. While Lulu's kit is inherently broken, and with the AP ratios they gave to her movement speed buff, etc. she still sits at a solid 48-50% win ratio in ranked across the world, and 50% win rate in both the EU & NA LCS. She isn't as great of a fit in the mid role as some might think. She has Glitterlance as her only real burst and she's squishy. She requires excellent positioning in team fights, and falls off in the late game when the mid role is supposed to be a strong assassin in the metagame. Lulu simply doesn't fit that role, and can be dealt with after laning phase. I would put her at the highest Tier 3 but it is indeed hard to win with Lulu Mid if the enemy team takes the game to post 40 minutes.

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  134. While he is strong and counters some champions his damage late-game isn't that good unless he builds damage, when he does build damage he's squishy. Also he is very prone to cc and can be kited easily.

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  135. I think you have Lebland and Diana little high. I actually think Leblanc is a little weak atm, (she has the second weakest wr in the game at all elos) and Diana has a 47% wr so I think she fits squarely into Tier 2. Shes a great assassin but she can't really carry since almost all of her damage will go on one target and shes gets blown up pretty fast.

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  136. I think his rework made him into an aoe MONSTER. Not to mention his early game is quite good.

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  137. I just feel like kayle belongs to tier 1. He has insane late game potential but he can be out poked and gankable in early game.

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  138. RubySightstoneFebruary 19, 2014

    Diana is pretty strong, if she gets ahead she can just q+r+r a carry and explode him and zhonya, then you have a pretty won teamfight with dead adc, she can work even as an initiator and can fit well in some teamcomps, her burst is so strong and she's tanky for what she does, strong in teamfights and strong in assassinations. imho

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  139. HaakonHelveteFebruary 19, 2014

    Yeah i had some trouble with browser. Couldnt find anything no matter what i searched ;)

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  140. Xin Zhao Skillset isn't optimised for toplane it can works its here in this list people want lulu top kog mid and other (sry for the word) shit that think they can redo the Meta...
    I think a champ that is close to Xin Zhao and will do better in top late would be Aatrox if you like the mix Substain/CC/Damage :)

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  141. Both are wayyyyyyyyyy better toplaners than junglers :/

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  142. And so he belong to God Tier?

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  143. I don't see how!

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  144. Agreed but his ultimate isn't that easy compare to old one.

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  145. He is Tier 1 material maybe higher the only down fact of Rumble is that to maximize the damage you need at least a good AoE stun in the team otherwise it isn't so easy everytime + since his tweak in a sort of nerf :(

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  146. I had difficulty understanding what you just said above the bottom lane lets say resume what you think about xerath and making your opinion on one game is far to be fair & enough.

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  147. I just make an example about the ability with a long range like the W of Jinx, was not my intention to speak about bottom lane.

    I was playing Swain and lose the match because I was not able to farm because of the Q of Xerath, even hugging my tower i was not able to face him... is not nice :)

    if you have some tips how to fight against him I can listen, but for me now Xerath is Tier 1 not 2 (but need to be check on solo queue)

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  148. Nicolas CageFebruary 19, 2014

    She.


    Kayle has an insane amount of strong matchups both mid and top, and scales incredibly well into both the mid- and late-game. I would say God Tier for sure.

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  149. 좋은 게임February 19, 2014

    Why is Trundle a tier 2 top?

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  150. As I expected kayle tweaks make her better on top, my favourite position for her. Btw, people still calling me troll for picking kayle top on ranked -.-

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  151. Kacper KobielaFebruary 19, 2014

    Teemo in GOD TIER No Way !

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  152. TEEMO MID IS MISSING. TEEMO MID IS NOT ON THIS LIST. *heavy breathing*

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  153. look at tier 1

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  154. Look at tier 1 and then don't see him, that's good, you have eyes.

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  155. Xerath is underlined in the list which mean:
    Champions UNDERLINED may be over/undervalued, but aren't/haven't played enough for me to make a better judgement.
    High chance SSJ will realize and move him up for sure.

    Talking about your matchup which isn't easy since i don't have any footage to be based on...
    All i can say is that every single spell of Xerath are skillshot so if you got tower hugged and from the beginning to the end in 1v1 situation you were losing it would mean to me that you have been highly predictable imo!

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  156. Quincy ChapmanFebruary 19, 2014

    How is Teemo NOT God Tier???

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  157. I have the ability to stealth myself from enemies

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  158. That make sense, you were standing on that tier for days

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  159. Can I hear your thoughts on Heim?

    I understand that he's very counter-intuitive to what you want in an AP champ nowadays ( slow movespeed, more sustained damage than burst)

    But I feel like he brings more than enough to justify his use and this is reflected by his suprisingly high winrates.

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  160. haushauidas .February 19, 2014

    I feel that soon you will have to put Lulu mid in a higher tier

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  161. idk why kennen mid has been looked over so much same with zed mid they are strong its just that so many noobs pick them up and pretend they r lcs pros and lower the win rate to much

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  162. She really isn't that tanky, especially once late game comes around. Thats the reason she needs zhonyas so badly, because she gets blown up immediately after like the 30 minute mark. I think she is a good champion, but I also think she is balanced. If the enemy back line is any good at all it is very hard to q ult ult them unless they make a huge mistake, which is why I think her wr is so mediocre (especially at higher elos). But yes Diana is continually referred to as "Tanky" but she really can't take hits at all. She is only tanky when compared to glass cannon mid champions.

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  163. HaakonHelveteFebruary 19, 2014

    You should insert teemo mid since he is actually an AP caster ^^

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  164. This is why this list exist its for people which arent experienced enough in this game play and/or train at something easier...
    Why so much hate? This is is for higher chance of carrying your games in SOLO queue ok?

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  165. I think he got a brand new playstyle surging for him. Too many people play him like the old Zed, and that doesn't work all that good anymore. His style used to be going all in and erase something with ult, and it does still work if you get fed.
    Because of the longer invulnerability, which also gives opponents time to react, and Zed's slower shadow, he will find very hard to do his 100-0 combo against most. Even if he does manage to get a lead, the oppossing team will find easy to counter his ult; as they have a wide variety of options depending on their respective champions, not to mention there's champions that counter the ult naturally anyway.


    Zed's ult should be basically a gapcloser for a kill, and take the little extra damage it does as a gift, not depending on it for the actual securing of said kill. The way to play him now should be stacking AD to absuse his W, and use his basic combo to take chunks of damage at a time from a safe distance and back off. Zed's E and Q will do absurde amounts of damage once he gets enough AD; not having to depend on ult anymore. Zed nowadays should look at a IE and arm pen items like Youmuu's.
    Laning phase he should poke and go in when he thinks he can burst a target down. Late game he should be split pushing and using his shadow and ult to get away and juke several targets as he teams creates pressure somewhere. On teamfights, that he should avoid to begin with, he should place a shadow in the middle, wait for the enemies to blow a few abilities, then switch to shadow, ult a carry (as a gapcloser) and burst them down.


    All in all, I think he's kind of a Tryndamere in terms of utility and damage for the team. A very damn good duelist who scales very well lategame, has a consistently strong and safe laning phase, can split push like a truck even being manaless; the kind of guy who can carry a game by choosing a lane and just clearing wave behind wave to take a tower down; and can force you to either give up a tower or give up a teamfight.

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  166. gtfo teemo...plant your shrooms elsewhere

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  167. she's in tier 1

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  168. Personally, I think a slow does make a difference. It gives enough time for me or the person whos chasing the enemy to catch up especially because it is a ranged shot.

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  169. Lulu also counters Teemo fairly hard. That little rodent piece of **** can't do anything against her kit.

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  170. I build Lulu like Kayle. Her passive base damage in combination with the AP ratio on it is overpowered in an AP/AS build. I almost never lose lane.


    E on someone > Q off of them > Autoattack to death.


    Lategame 80% movementspeed for 5 seconds with a 6 second cooldown. 80% slow that lasts for 2 seconds and has a 4 second cooldown. Shield that holds 700-800 damage for 6 seconds and has a 8 second cooldown. Ultimate which gives a 1000 hp boost, knocks up all enemies surrounding for 1.5 seconds and continues to slow them for 60% for 7 seconds. And that on a 50 second cooldown.


    Broken.

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  171. Eheheh yes I'm predictable and also not the best mid player but not so bad to hug my tower for x minutes :)


    I read about the underlined champ my was just an example after the re-work of this champ that really shook me (maybe the opponent was also a good Xerath player)
    I will wait to read here some update to understand if Xerath is a good choice for Solo Q


    thanks a lot for the answer
    JP

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  172. He's a situational pick. Much of Trundle's power is in his ult, and if the opposing top laner builds damage and HP instead of armor and MR then there goes a huge chunk of power.

    For example, Trundle beats Renek when Renek builds tanky and rushes something like Sunfire, but Renek can just build first item Tiamat and crush Trundle in the laning phase, leaving him behind and hoping for game to stall so Trundle can out-scale Renek eventually.

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  173. He wasn't at that hour, I saw it.

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  174. She was tier 4 when he said that

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  175. Well ofc the early isn't obnoxious compare to Elise or Vi lets say but post 6 he is way better than both of them (ofc imo!)

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  176. Xerath is in my opinion just like SSJ guess (Tier 2 so balanced) i see a lot of xerath doing good ofc but is it too soon to say if its the champ that is that good or the player behind xerath or just people facing him (like you) not able to understand his mechanism!
    I wouldn't be surprise to see him rise Tier 1 for sure. (i tested it several times but i gave a better look at Skarner to be honest)
    In his basic skillset i was really impress and happy about him but the ultimate i found my self in 2 kind of situation.
    Situation A: The target is quiet predictable which made me succeed most of my shots
    Situation B: The situation is tense and lack of focus from my part made me inaccurate & the actual player i was focusing was stressed !!! going foward backward left right at the very same moment so i completely failed and i doubt it was really intended by the enemy player to do this! :)

    Good luck in future and just try to understand Xerath a little better in future matchup you might do better on time ;)

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  177. Pretty good resume Gangplank but in the actual meta he is a right backstab to champs like Shyvana/Renekton/Nasus/Mundo which is excellent lets say in a way to turn those rock solid in a wet piece of paper which fall down kinda like a carry in a middle of team fight.
    Like this Korean dude i wouldn't say he is like a God but maybe a little more above his actual place in this list but back then SSJ put him in Tier 3 he review his statement thats something! :)))
    You are right about is push force he is kinda weak otherwise he would be Tier 1 even God considering his skillset in this meta!

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  178. The only down side of Kayle top to me is the case of enemy got a gap closer and surprise you!
    Her positioning is more than crucial (at most part of the game but mostly pre6)

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  179. You raised my donger!

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  180. Why doesn't riot just delete urgot? Or remake him soon...?

    Also, someone know why all this other champions have a so low win rate? Ryze, TF, Vayne, alistair, olaf, assassins, remaked Skarner... that's kinda weird.

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  181. Why doesn't riot just delete urgot?
    Actually I don't understand why he is that bad in top lane, since if you are tanky being in the middle of the enemy team isn't thaaat bad if the enemy's adc is in the middle of your team.

    Also, someone know why all this other champions have a so low win rate? Ryze, TF, Vayne, alistair, olaf, assassins, remaked Skarner... that's kinda weird.

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  182. I think that's fair enough..

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  183. Twisted Fate > Due to his popularity decreased and the tweak on his W spell which made people playing him worse. (Its my main champion and veteran gipsy players master it quiet well!)

    Olaf > Due to his nerf & mostly his change on ultimate which turn him more agressive and less defensive (thats what people loved about him back then!)


    Vayne > Almost the same thing as TF and others require a greater mastering than the rest of the other ADC even thought its an hyper carry she tend to snowball hard of course but any bad positioning late game can cost you the game which in those 19% of popularity let say in those 55% of defeat game many of them were reckless and ignored it!!!

    Ryze > The change on masteries & items haven't been good to him and as you can see less of 2% of popularity thats what cost him!

    Zed & LeBLanc > Were broken on release a bit like Yasuo and the little down fact was the one that those champs offer tons of possibilities & unfortunately it mean to maximize this you need a loooot of training which many people in ranked (mostly Bronze & Silver) seems to ignore adding to the fact Assassin in Team fights aren't great combination 3/4 of the time

    Alistar > On paper he seem awesome but let say leona do everything he goes but better & easier! Those 2 are sort of all-in support which require a good communication or synergy with your ADC which is not common in SoloQ adding the fact Alistar is harder. Period.

    Skarner > Recent change on him seems promessing ! (Just like Xerath imo) need more time to confirm but its going better!

    Urgot > Waiting for rework (RIOT already said they are working on it!) so wait & see like we say!

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  184. Takes time! (maybe SSJ needs to confirm it or the process is on the way!)

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  185. Wukong/leona/renekton which would be best for carrying solo queue? (note that i main jungle and already play some of the strongest junglers on this list including vi,khazix and elise)

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  186. Lucas CórdobaFebruary 20, 2014

    Can you please put viktor top lane on your guide?Viktor is a really strong pick,i think he deserves his place on tier 1 mid lane,he have an AoE Stun and damage and his ultimate can simply destroy a team fight if used right

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  187. Lucas CórdobaFebruary 20, 2014

    lol sorry i said guide,on your tier list
    big fan of your tier list also

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  188. Whats Your thoughts on Rumble in this meta? He's obviously viable as he is just a bit below tier 1. i'm just wondering your opinion.

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  189. Renekton is God Top(fall a bit late but his substain still remain!
    Wukong can go Top(Good) or Jungle(Great)
    Leona is one of the best support atm(I highly suggest to play her with a good ADC or with someone that you can comunicate whats in your mind since her skillset is highly all-in despite she got a great skillset for a support but to me she like double edge axe!)

    In the end there isnt best pick i just gave you the eventual stuff you can do with em if you got enough in the jungle and actualy Vi & Elise to me are the greatest maybe you would do right to get on your horse for some support or top lane time!

    Up to you :)

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  190. He will stay better mid than top! i wouldnt suggest anyone to Viktor in toplane (only if forced) he would melt in most matchups!
    There are way better champ with magic damage for the toplane! (ex:Elise, Singed, Lissandra, Kennen)

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  191. bcamargo02962February 20, 2014

    Malphite tier 4 support? Might want to reconsider that. I've been experimenting a lot lately and I'd say he's at least tier 1. Always carry a lot of mana pots pre-6 and as soon as your Q is level 2, start spamming it on the A.D. Carry. Long range, relatively short cooldown and high damage. There's a high chance you'll deny his farm and maybe even force him to leave the lane. As soon as you get your ultimate, coordinate an all-in with your A.D. Carry and as soon as the enemy A.D.C. and support clump together, ult them and W>AA>Q>AA the A.D. Carry. By the time he falls back down with half of his HP bar gone, E and exhaust him (80% attack speed reduction FTW) and let your A.D.C finish the job. Once you enter mid-game, with only a Randuin's alone, you'll already be a tanky CC monster. Quite a high skillcap to get him going as a support, though, but his reward is just as high.

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